Is EVERYTHING Dragon Ball ‘Z' to you?

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

DB aged well and is a timeless classic.

And you should watch it in DB - DBZ order, the way it was meant to be.

why aren't there any new movies for it ?.

There are. Battle of Gods and Resurrection "F" most recently.

[Kuririn Fan]

DB aged well and is a timeless classic.

And you should watch it in DB - DBZ order, the way it was meant to be.

Then why isn't there much merchandise for it ? why aren't there any new movies for it ? or video games ? why isn't it being showed around the world as much as Z ?

I'm currently re-watching it now, I just finished the Baba arc and I agree that it should be watched in order to see the world and characters build but Z is written in a way that allows you to skip it and still know what's going on and enjoy the story and characters.

It was meant to be seen like that but the chances of bringing in new fans today if you introduced them to it 1st are very slim compared to introducing them to Z or Kai which has an even higher chance at bringing in new fans due to the reduced episode count.

Because Z is recent in canon timeline and it doesn't make sense to go back when characters couldn't fly. Original Dragon Ball is a timeless classic and it aged mell. And should be watched before Z.

[sintzu]

Because Z is recent in canon timeline and it doesn't make sense to go back when characters couldn't fly.

Original Dragon Ball is a timeless classic and it aged well. And should be watched before Z.

What does that have to do with producing more merchandise for it ?

Then why isn't it shown as much as Z ? why wasn't it part of Kai ? I don't think the majority of fans and the companies behind it would ignore it the way they do if it was a timeless classic like Z.

[Kuririn Fan]

Because Z is recent in canon timeline and it doesn't make sense to go back when characters couldn't fly.

Original Dragon Ball is a timeless classic and it aged well. And should be watched before Z.

What does that have to do with producing more merchandise for it ?

Then why isn't it shown as much as Z ? why wasn't it part of Kai ? I don't think the majority of fans and the companies behind it would ignore it the way they do if it was a timeless classic like Z.

It is a timeless classic and it aged well.
Z is more prevalent because its bigger and Americans grew up with it.

[sintzu]

It is a timeless classic and it aged well.

Z is more prevalent because its bigger and Americans grew up with it.

Why don't you answer my questions instead of re-posting the same thing over again ?

What about in Japan ? if DB was as big as Z then why didn't Kai start with it ? why aren't there video games made of it ?

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

Because Z is recent in canon timeline and it doesn't make sense to go back when characters couldn't fly.

Original Dragon Ball is a timeless classic and it aged well. And should be watched before Z.

What does that have to do with producing more merchandise for it ?

.... if it was a timeless classic like Z.

they want to make merch with the new stuff, Super.

It can't be less of a classic than Z because it's the same series.

Is the East Blue arc of One Piece less of a classic than the Dressrosa arc? Why don't you see any movies with just Luffy, Nami, and Zoro anymore?

[sintzu]

It can't be less of a classic than Z because it's the same series.

Is the East Blue arc of One Piece less of a classic than the Dressrosa arc? Why don't you see any movies with just Luffy, Nami, and Zoro anymore?

One of them wouldn't have a giant Z at the end of it if they were one show.

Are you going to say that Super and GT are the same just because they have DB's name in them ?

Are you going to say that Batman & Robin is a classic like the dark knight because Batman is in it ? that makes 0 sense.

The one piece anime is under one name, one piece. there was nothing added after the timeskip and the story can't be split up like DB which is why Toie didn't change it's name.

And unlike DB, the east Blue part of the story has been featured in all the games and was released 1st in America, unlike DB which is always being skipped in pretty much everything.

[Kuririn Fan]

It is a timeless classic and it aged well.

Z is more prevalent because its bigger and Americans grew up with it.

Why don't you answer my questions instead of re-posting the same thing over again ?

What about in Japan ? if DB was as big as Z then why didn't Kai start with it ? why aren't there video games made of it ?

Because it was Z's 20th anniversary. 1989-2009

[sintzu]

Because it was Z's 20th anniversary. 1989-2009

This year is DB's 30th so where's it's Kai version ?

[Kuririn Fan]

Because it was Z's 20th anniversary. 1989-2009

This year is DB's 30th so where's it's Kai version ?

It has completely new show which is better than that Kai mess and failure.

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

It can't be less of a classic than Z because it's the same series.

Is the East Blue arc of One Piece less of a classic than the Dressrosa arc? Why don't you see any movies with just Luffy, Nami, and Zoro anymore?

The one piece anime is under one name, one piece. there was nothing added after the timeskip and the story can't be split up like DB which is why Toie didn't change it's name.

And unlike DB, the east Blue part of the story has been featured in all the games and was released 1st in America, unlike DB which is always being skipped in pretty much everything.

The manga of Dragonball is under one name too. And One Piece could just as easily been split up at the time skip to One Piece: New World or something. Also, lot's of games have the early arcs.

[sintzu]

The manga of Dragonball is under one name too. And One Piece could just as easily been split up at the time skip to One Piece: New World or something.

Also, lot's of games have the early arcs.

There was way too much going on before the new world to split it up and tell people to start there, unlike DB which ended in a place that allowed a split.

Budokai ? no
Budokai 2 ? no
Budokai 3 ? no
Tenkaichi 1 ? no
Tenkaichi 2 ? no
Tenkaichi 3 ? kind of.
Infinite world ? maybe ?
Burst limit ? no
Raging blast ? no
Raging blast 2 ? no
Ultimate tenkaichi ? no
Battle of z ? no
Xenoverse ? no

[Soppa Saia People]

Because it was Z's 20th anniversary. 1989-2009

This year is DB's 30th so where's it's Kai version ?

Because it would be pointless, filler in DB is mostly self contained and is the show itself is pretty short. Also IIRC Kai tanked in Japan so it wouldn't be a good descion for Toei.

[Kuririn Fan]

The manga of Dragonball is under one name too. And One Piece could just as easily been split up at the time skip to One Piece: New World or something.

Also, lot's of games have the early arcs.

There was way too much going on before the new world to split it up and tell people to start there, unlike DB which ended in a place that allowed a split.

Budokai ? no
Budokai 2 ? no
Budokai 3 ? no
Tenkaichi 1 ? no
Tenkaichi 2 ? no
Tenkaichi 3 ? kind of.
Infinite world ? maybe ?
Burst limit ? no
Raging blast ? no
Raging blast 2 ? no
Ultimate tenkaichi ? no
Battle of z ? no
Xenoverse ? no

There are quite a few games that cover 37% of Toriyama's manga.

[sintzu]

There are quite a few games that cover 37% of Toriyama's manga.

How many compared to Z's ?

[RedRibbonSoldier#42]

The manga of Dragonball is under one name too. And One Piece could just as easily been split up at the time skip to One Piece: New World or something.

Also, lot's of games have the early arcs.

There was way too much going on before the new world to split it up and tell people to start there, unlike DB which ended in a place that allowed a split.

This is just made up from nothing. If the Z label was never invented, no one would feel that the Saiyan arc and after were out of place and no one would think it logical to split the series after the fact. And if people grew up on "One Piece: New World" without seeing the first half of the series, they would make up the same arguments for why it makes sense and that "New World" is more serious and action packed series and that no one cares about the prequel "One Piece"

[Kuririn Fan]

There are quite a few games that cover 37% of Toriyama's manga.

How many compared to Z's ?

Look, if you don't care about third of Toriyama's manga, it's your loss, man, i don't give a fuck.

[sintzu]

This is just made up from nothing.

If the Z label was never invented, no one would feel that the Saiyan arc and after were out of place and no one would think it logical to split the series after the fact.

If people grew up on "One Piece: New World" without seeing the first half of the series, they would make up the same arguments for why it makes sense and that "New World" is more serious and action packed series and that no one cares about the prequel "One Piece"

Tell that to Toie and Toriyama who decided to split it up.

The people who thought it was logical were the studio behind the anime itself and the franchise's own creator so are you saying that you know better then them ?

Good luck with that.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

It annoys me even more when people say DB is just a prequel and is not important.

That's kind of how it is even though it isn't.

For the past 15 years, all the franchise's merchandise has been about Z and rarely if ever about DB.

When Toie decided to introduce the franchise to new people through Kai, they went straight to Z and I don't think Toriyama was against it.

In terms of the prequel part, you could watch Z and enjoy it just as much as someone who watched DB 1st, at least I did and I'm sure a good amount of American fans will agree on this and Toie knows this or they wouldn't have started Kai with Raditz.

I love DB like you and others here but it hasn't aged as well as Z which is a worldwide, timeless classic, it was enjoyed in the late 80's, the 90's, the 2000's and now the 2010's without any signs of slowing down, even with a new series being produced.

DB didn't really get big outside of Japan during the 80's.

I don't care if Z is more popular if those American fans think Z is only what matters they are casual fans in my eyes. DB is not a prequel it is half the story. The 16 volumes/153 episodes are as important as 26 volumes/291 episodes.
DB is also a classic and it has aged just fine and not just in Japan.

[Kuririn Fan]

This is just made up from nothing.

If the Z label was never invented, no one would feel that the Saiyan arc and after were out of place and no one would think it logical to split the series after the fact.

If people grew up on "One Piece: New World" without seeing the first half of the series, they would make up the same arguments for why it makes sense and that "New World" is more serious and action packed series and that no one cares about the prequel "One Piece"

Tell that to Toie and Toriyama who decided to split it up.

The people who thought it was logical were the studio behind the anime itself and the franchise's own creator so are you saying that you know better then them ?

Good luck with that.

TOEI decided to split it up, Toriyama just gave the Z because it's last letter and he was thinking he's gonna end it soon.
The manga is DRAGON BALL, from start to finish.