Considering Goku defeated someone Gotenks and Gohan didn't, I guess there is no problem with thinking Goku is the strongest here. In another hand, Goku admited he was not capable of defeating a form of Boo which Gohan and Gotenks had a chance against.. So, yes and no. It depends on your perspective. For example, by Vegeta's, Goten's and Roshi's perspectives Goku is implied to be the strongest in the world (excluding Beerus) and that was before Super Saiyan God was a fact.Khin wrote:So what do you think? Did Goku really surpassed Gotenks and Gohan?
Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
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Maybe not a transformation per se, but I thought the manga did treat the Mystic as an activateable boost. The Elder Kai tells him that using it is the same as turning SSJ, but with a kiai added on top.Kaboom wrote:Unlike the original manga which portrayed Gohan's "ultimate" state as a permanent change to his power and being, Toei seems to treat it like a transformation. Some alternative to Super Saiyan that allows him to tap into all his dormant power at once instead of x50-x100 increments or whatever. So from that angle, it's halfway plausible that he could still barely pull it off during Battle of Gods but have lost the ability by Resurrection F a year later.
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
Yeah, and I figure that's where Toei got the idea from. But the manga never showed him revert from that state in any way, even 10 years later when he was lazing around and being scholarly. Which leads me to believe that the "power up with extra oomph" was just required to finalize the ritual in some way or another.Tectorman wrote:Maybe not a transformation per se, but I thought the manga did treat the Mystic as an activateable boost. The Elder Kai tells him that using it is the same as turning SSJ, but with a kiai added on top.
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
That would make the power scaling weird and would give Beerus owning Gohan and Gotenks less meaning.
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I've never even had them above Goku TBH. 
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
I know i didnt to be honest, until goten and trunks first fused and gohan revealed that first glimpse of his new power when getting mad at the old kai.LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:I've never even had them above Goku TBH.
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
When it comes to Battle of Gods, Goku didn't pass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan:
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Goku < SSj3 Gotenks < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Ultimate Gohan < Buutenks < Boohan
When it comes to Revival Of F / Dragon Ball Super yes he has.
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Gotenks < Ultimate Gohan < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Buutenks < Boohan < SSj Goku < SSj2 Goku < SSj3 Goku < Super Saiyan God < Super Saiyan Blue Goku < Golden Frieza < Frost Final Form < Hit < Champa < Beerus < Whis < Vados < Zen O
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Goku < SSj3 Gotenks < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Ultimate Gohan < Buutenks < Boohan
When it comes to Revival Of F / Dragon Ball Super yes he has.
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Gotenks < Ultimate Gohan < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Buutenks < Boohan < SSj Goku < SSj2 Goku < SSj3 Goku < Super Saiyan God < Super Saiyan Blue Goku < Golden Frieza < Frost Final Form < Hit < Champa < Beerus < Whis < Vados < Zen O
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SS3 Gotenks is weaker than Kid Boo and Super Boo?MajinBrolyYamcha wrote:When it comes to Battle of Gods, Goku didn't pass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan:
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Goku < SSj3 Gotenks < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Ultimate Gohan < Buutenks < Boohan
When it comes to Revival Of F / Dragon Ball Super yes he has.
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
I doubt he was weaker than kid boo, but Super boo never fought versus Gotenks seriously. He was waiting for Gohan so he kept the kids around in case he needed to absorb them.DanielSSJ wrote:SS3 Gotenks is weaker than Kid Boo and Super Boo?MajinBrolyYamcha wrote:When it comes to Battle of Gods, Goku didn't pass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan:
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Goku < SSj3 Gotenks < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Ultimate Gohan < Buutenks < Boohan
When it comes to Revival Of F / Dragon Ball Super yes he has.
Fat Boo = Evil Boo < SSj3 Gotenks < Ultimate Gohan < Kid Boo < Super Boo < Buff Boo < Buutenks < Boohan < SSj Goku < SSj2 Goku < SSj3 Goku < Super Saiyan God < Super Saiyan Blue Goku < Golden Frieza < Frost Final Form < Hit < Champa < Beerus < Whis < Vados < Zen O
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Re: Did SS3 Goku surpass Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan?
Gotenks was still stronger, but Gohan was to a greater extent. Boo got mad and started attacking Gotenks wildly. Had the Fusion not ended, Gotenks would've likely vaporized him.
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