namekiansaiyan wrote:
Vegeta will never defeat the main villain.
It will be a team victory as Zeno and Beerus will be in trouble so I doubt any single person can do it.
He defeated Golden Freeza so it could happen again.
It was never said anywhere that either of them would be in trouble.
I wouldn't call that a victory for Vegeta since Goku gift wraps it for him.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
...Just kidding. It would be really sweet to see Vegetto kicking Black's ass, although I don't think this will be the case. If they intend to use Vegetto in the series at some point, I think they would "save" him for the fight against the final and most powerful villain of the show (someone on the same level as or even strong than Whis/Vados), which I almost sure won't be Black.
namekiansaiyan wrote:
Vegeta will never defeat the main villain.
It will be a team victory as Zeno and Beerus will be in trouble so I doubt any single person can do it.
He defeated Golden Freeza so it could happen again.
It was never said anywhere that either of them would be in trouble.
They will be involved so they must be doing something that Goku and the rest cant do as they are not as powerful.
Konig wrote:Monaka
...Just kidding. It would be really sweet to see Vegetto kicking Black's ass, although I don't think this will be the case. If they intend to use Vegetto in the series at some point, I think they would "save" him for the fight against the final and most powerful villain of the show (someone on the same level as or even strong than Whis/Vados), which I almost sure won't be Black.
But Vegeta, Trunks, or even a fusion between Gohan and Trunks would be better options, in my opinion. The last one is specially unlikely, since I sincerely doubt that we'll see Gohan doing anything relevant in this arc.
ekrolo2 wrote:I wouldn't call that a victory for Vegeta since Goku gift wraps it for him.
Thanks to that Vegeta can't say Goku never gave him anything.
Those thirteen stomach ulcers he's gotten from his obsession from Goku might disagree with ya there
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
But Vegeta, Trunks, or even a fusion between Gohan and Trunks would be better options, in my opinion. The last one is specially unlikely, since I sincerely doubt that we'll see Gohan doing anything relevant in this arc.
Gohan will do nothing. We will probably only see him for 2 seconds before he gets killed.
It has to be Trunks. No ifs, no buts, no excuses. If Goku or Vegeta get the main kill and take down Goku Black by themselves, I'm gonna flip so many fucking tables. The only other character I would wanna see defeat Goku Black, if I was really pushed for an alternative, would be Gohan, because, holy shit, that guy needs something. He's been feeding off of scraps since the Majin Boo arc.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
FortuneSSJ wrote:Gohan. He doesn't have any conferences for now.
He'll have another conference. It'll be about being an important character.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Lord Beerus wrote:It has to be Trunks. No ifs, no buts, no excuses. If Goku or Vegeta get the main kill and take down Goku Black by themselves, I'm gonna flip so many fucking tables. The only other character I would wanna see defeat Goku Black, if I was really pushed for an alternative, would be Gohan, because, holy shit, that guy needs something. He's been feeding off of scraps since the Majin Boo arc.
The best thing would be for both of them to take him down.
Trunks because he destroyed his timeline and killed his mother and Mai.
Gohan because in a way he's his teacher and they're fighting someone who looks like his father.
Realistically though, it'll be Goku and if we're lucky Vegeta as well.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Vegeta, just to show for the sake of it that he can beat Goku. I mean their rivalry has been so one-sided for over 10 years, I barely recognize it as one. Goku doesn't really want anything out of Vegeta, but Black Goku could be that motivation Normal Goku lacks, just because he's evil and more likely antagonistic. Besides, it would be an interesting reversal of roles if Vegeta is the good guy beating an evil Goku and easily tie in the Majin Vegeta vs. Goku parallel.
But I do want Hit to become a resident Z-Fighter. Considering most sagas usually recruit at least one new character.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
If ol' Jacob was a'writin' ye olden storyline he'd have Trunks tire Black out, not quite be up to the job, then have a surprise shot in the back of the head from Mai kill Black. Trunks and Mai return to the future, Trunks swearing to improve, like any good Dragon Ball ending.
Who should beat him? Future Trunks or thet Kaioshin-like green guy(I feel him is a good character)
Who will beat him? Everyone(I expect the help of Mai, Bulma, Vegeta, Whis, Beerus, the Omni-King, Piccolo, the kids, Krillin, Tien, and very unlikely Gohan)
Who will the final blow< You won't guess it...
English is not my first language!
I'm still waiting for Dragon Ball in Super...
