Why do they seem to be pushing Mai x Trunks?

[Lord Beerus]

Goku x Bulma forever! <3

Naw screw that...

I do miss Yamcha x Bulma though. :[

It's all Yamcha's fault that their relationship broke down. Apparently, he was still fooling around with other woman while he was with Bulma. Bulma eventually got sick of it and just dumped him. Yamcha getting over his fear of women obviously lead to him becoming a bit too confident when around women.

[ABED]

My thing is: was someone just too lazy to create a new female character and decided to just recycle a random old one instead? She never had much of a positive development, nor do fans get any emotion from seeing her after all of these years (at least I think). I would be a lot happier if they picked any young girl who was a background character during the Boo arc. Or was this deliberately done just to purposely drive another nail into GT's coffin? Oh well, I can't be convinced that a new female character wouldn't be a lot better. At least a new badass female who was powerful and could actually be useful in certain end-of-the-world situations instead of just shooting a gun.

ORRRRRR why create a whole new character when there's an underdeveloped character that the audience remembers and then develop her.

[TheGreatness25]

Because that underdeveloped character is now a pedophile before anything. Regardless of what she's turned into, she's a pedophile. Kind of like how O.J. is seen as a murderer above his other accomplishments.

If Muten Roshi wished to be a little boy so he could date Pan, I guess that would be okay too, huh?

[VegettoEX]

Trunks is an adult. What on Earth are you talking about?

[TheGreatness25]

Not when their little relationship starts. But okay, sure. I forgot that we give this crap a pass. Never mind me.

It turns out that everything is smiles and sunshine for this series. So far the biggest criticism that hasn't been shot down is that they drew an episode poorly. Whatever, I guess I must be the weird, crazy one for not wanting to accept this ridiculous writing.

[VegettoEX]

Not when their little relationship starts. But okay, sure. I forgot that we give this crap a pass. Never mind me.

Don't pull the "I'm the victim of this conversation" card. Either have the conversation or don't.

So which Trunks x Mai are we talking about? Because there are two, and they're both separate. If the Battle of Gods one... like... I... guess? Is that any different from Chi-Chi and Goku in GT? Did anyone ever make that comparison? Did you? What are your thoughts on that?

If we're talking about the future versions of the characters, no, they're seemingly both adults by the time they meet, since we never saw Mai in any of the prior future timeline stuff, and Trunks was already an adult by the time that wrapped up.

I for one don't understand the "why Mai and not a new character?" viewpoint. That seems like a VERY forced, "I must find something to critique and discuss" kind of thing. I never would have given it a second thought. It seems right in line with Toriyama's viewpoint on bringing that trio into Battle of Gods instead of random new villains. For everyone who clamors for the human fighters to get some limelight, it seems strange to me that when you have a character like Mai getting some attention there's no champion for it. So yes, I am that person that has nostalgia for Mai (and all the Pilaf people) and having her get some attention is great.

Now let's get Lunch back into the mix and we'll talk some more!

[TheGreatness25]

Okie dokie pokie. Must be just me.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So which Trunks x Mai are we talking about? Because there are two, and they're both separate. If the Battle of Gods one... like... I... guess? Is that any different from Chi-Chi and Goku in GT? Did anyone ever make that comparison? Did you? What are your thoughts on that?

I distinctly recall raising that exact point about it myself way back in the Battle of Gods heyday, when this very issue was first being discussed.

I mean, I can understand to a degree how that one would be at least slightly different, as they were already married and have two kids by the time Goku is put back into a child body, and how everyone around them knows he's actually an adult, versus Mai who presumably never really brings it up. Regardless though, Dragon Ball is not the sort of series to ever really dwell on that sort of thing.

Not to go too far off topic, but the entire debate reminds me greatly of one that rose in the TMNT community via the Nickelodeon series, where Donatello majorly has a crush on April. Some fans were "squicked" out by it purely because of the immediate appearances of such a pairing, while completely ignoring the fact that at the end of the day, it's 'fiction'. In both cases, it's highly unlikely we'll ever see anything permanent done with the status quo of these "controversial" pairings, so it's all the more ludicrous to me for it to get people as riled up as it does.

[TheGreatness25]

I just don't get the need to be so argumentative over someone's opinion . The topic is Trumks and Mai, people give their opinion on Trunks and Mai. So why the hell my opinion (which it's not just mine) gets singled out and argued with is beyond me. Is it not understood that opinions are not fact? You can't change someone's opinion by presenting yours as superior.

Look, if you're all for that shit, then congratulations, this show is for you. Clearly me saying that I can't stand this crap won't sway the direction of the show or make Trunks and Mai disappear. But my opinion is that it's stupid. If it's up your alley, then I'm the one that has to eat shit, not you, because it's actually happening.

People act like opinions like mine are just random people being haters or something. Not really true. I have spent nearly 2/3 of my entire life loving this series. I have dedicated countless hours to it, countless money to it, and countless memories to it. So why would I hate on it for no reason? Clearly, if I'm voicing my opinion against something that happens, that means that I really don't like it and a bunch of quippy little remarks won't sway my opinion. And you know what? I have the right to dislike something about the series instead of accepting every pile of piss that's presented to me.

With that said, I don't care who approves of Mai and Trunks, I don't care why they approve of Mai and Trunks, i don't care what they think about why I don't approve of Mai and Trunks, but I don't freaking approve of Mai and Trunks.

P.S. If this came off as me being upset or anything, I'm not.

[VegettoEX]

I don't understand your response at all. I'm interested in your opinion, and asked for more information on it after providing my own viewpoint. Gyt Kaliba did the same.

You say you're not upset, but the content and tone of your post says the opposite.

[ABED]

Your right to dislike whatever you want isn't at issue. I can even understand people getting the "ick factor" from young Trunks and Mai, but your tone is both very angry and defensive. No one is singling out your opinion in a negative way, they are engaging you in a conversation or is that not your purpose. Do you just want to vent?

[TheGreatness25]

How can anyone detect my tone through writing? Lol Because I used some swears? I don't know how to make my posts come off as happy when I am talking about how I don't like something.

My reasons for not liking Trunks and Mai are simple and I listed them. I feel that there was no need to reintroduce Mai in such a way. I'd rather she be a new character with a clean slate. In the very least, we know that Mai can't really hold up against a super-powered apocalypse. With a new character, she could be as bas-ass or powerful as need be. I don't like the kid Trunks and Mai thing because it really is pretty gross and this future Trunks relationship with her is clearly stemming from the hardon that they got from having kid Trunks's interaction with her.

It's a little difficult to not feel "singled out" when I'm quoted and told how my opinion doesn't make sense. It makes sense to me and that's pretty much all I need to say. I don't need to have an explanation for why I don't like something. And call it "engaging" all you want, but come on lol You could say that I'm engaging your engaging of my opinion

[Kamiccolo9]

How can anyone detect my tone through writing? Lol Because I used some swears? I don't know how to make my posts come off as happy when I am talking about how I don't like something.

My reasons for not liking Trunks and Mai are simple and I listed them. I feel that there was no need to reintroduce Mai in such a way. I'd rather she be a new character with a clean slate. In the very least, we know that Mai can't really hold up against a super-powered apocalypse. With a new character, she could be as bas-ass or powerful as need be. I don't like the kid Trunks and Mai thing because it really is pretty gross and this future Trunks relationship with her is clearly stemming from the hardon that they got from having kid Trunks's interaction with her.

It's a little difficult to not feel "singled out" when I'm quoted and told how my opinion doesn't make sense. It makes sense to me and that's pretty much all I need to say. I don't need to have an explanation for why I don't like something. And call it "engaging" all you want, but come on lol You could say that I'm engaging your engaging of my opinion

Because reading comprehension is a thing, and at least a few of us are fully-functioning adults? And it's not like we haven't seen you moan about how no one here seems to agree with you before.

[TheGreatness25]

Because reading comprehension is a thing, and at least a few of us are fully-functioning adults? And it's not like we haven't seen you moan about how no one here seems to agree with you before.

Oh, is this you engaging me in a meaningful conversation too? Lol

I'm glad you put so much thought into my posts, I really do. Me "moaning" about how no one here seems to agree with me was me basically saying that my opinion seems to differ from others on here. So what? You think I was moaning about that? Or you think that I'm sitting here crying or throwing things around in a fit? At most, I have a blank look on my face as I type this up on my phone while taking a break from doing something else. Please don't assume that you know that I have any sort of feelings when I type something other than what I type. Please don't assign me emotions beyond what I type up. Kay kay?

[Kamiccolo9]

Because reading comprehension is a thing, and at least a few of us are fully-functioning adults? And it's not like we haven't seen you moan about how no one here seems to agree with you before.

Oh, is this you engaging me in a meaningful conversation too? Lol

I'm glad you put so much thought into my posts, I really do. Me "moaning" about how no one here seems to agree with me was me basically saying that my opinion seems to differ from others on here. So what? You think I was moaning about that? Or you think that I'm sitting here crying or throwing things around in a fit? At most, I have a blank look on my face as I type this up on my phone while taking a break from doing something else. Please don't assume that you know that I have any sort of feelings when I type something other than what I type. Please don't assign me emotions beyond what I type up. Kay kay?

If this was a singular event, then you may have a point.

You do this all the time. Don't insult my intelligence. Your "tone" is obvious, and you get defensive when called out on it. If you don't want to look like you're whining and complaining about nobody agreeing with you, maybe you should take care to ensure that what you post doesn't indicate that?

[TheGreatness25]

Will do, Grand Chief. Thanks for the input.

[JulieYBM]

Because that underdeveloped character is now a pedophile before anything. Regardless of what she's turned into, she's a pedophile. Kind of like how O.J. is seen as a murderer above his other accomplishments.

If Muten Roshi wished to be a little boy so he could date Pan, I guess that would be okay too, huh?

What is this a problem? This is fiction. We're adults all capable of telling right from wrong and fiction from real. The Mai from Dragon Ball Z: Kami to Kami and Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F likes Trunks and wants to bang the little eight year old. Okay. That sort of thing has been present in comics and animation since the dawn the medium. Artists (well, the good one's anyway) are people who don't fit in with society normally. Just look at Toriyama's youth and the events that led to him becoming a comic artist. Let's not confuse fiction with reality. Toriyama Akira has been writing and drawing offensive things for decades. Lady Red has its superhero protagonist outright raped and switch to prostitution as a result of liking the money it can make her! By 'normal standards' that's offensive.

I know you want to prop up your post as "It's my opinion!!" but that doesn't mean your opinion is not a poorly constructed one. Stopping actual pedophilia isn't going to start with some dumb cartoons. Actual pedophiles are going to harm actual children.

[MetaMoss]

Because that underdeveloped character is now a pedophile before anything. Regardless of what she's turned into, she's a pedophile. Kind of like how O.J. is seen as a murderer above his other accomplishments.

If Muten Roshi wished to be a little boy so he could date Pan, I guess that would be okay too, huh?

What is this a problem? This is fiction. We're adults all capable of telling right from wrong and fiction from real. The Mai from Dragon Ball Z: Kami to Kami and Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F likes Trunks and wants to bang the little eight year old. Okay. That sort of thing has been present in comics and animation since the dawn the medium. Artists (well, the good one's anyway) are people who don't fit in with society normally. Just look at Toriyama's youth and the events that led to him becoming a comic artist. Let's not confuse fiction with reality. Toriyama Akira has been writing and drawing offensive things for decades. Lady Red has its superhero protagonist outright raped and switch to prostitution as a result of liking the money it can make her! By 'normal standards' that's offensive.

I know you want to prop up your post as "It's my opinion!!" but that doesn't mean your opinion is not a poorly constructed one. Stopping actual pedophilia isn't going to start with some dumb cartoons. Actual pedophiles are going to harm actual children.

And who's to say BoG Mai's interest in Trunks is even sexual in nature? I saw it as a cute little grade-school romance, even knowing full well about Mai's history.

[TheGreatness25]

Ugh okay, okay. As I said, if you like that sort of thing, enjoy. You're getting what you want. Look, it's actually happening on the show. I, personally, don't like it and my opinion doesn't need to be well-constructed. I don't believe that I owe you enough to structure my opinion. I simply don't like it. If you don't like a certain flavor of ice cream, I don't expect you to write me a thesis on why you don't like that flavor of ice cream. I think that Mai and Trunks is kinda gross. I know it's fiction, but it doesn't mean that I have to like it. For example, if I bought that manga that you mentioned with the raping and prostitution, I'd return that shit right back to wherever I got it. I don't get enjoyment from reading that crap and just because it's a Toriyama work, doesn't mean that suddenly my opinion would change.

Anyway, make sure that I construct my opinion, don't whine (whatever that means), and realize that it's fiction so everying is acceptable. Duly noted.

[VegettoEX]

and realize that it's fiction so everying is acceptable. Duly noted.

This is the kind of thing that's basically unacceptable here. At least three times you've gone, "OK, fine, just ignore me, whatever, I see how it is, OK guys, sure." That's... not a conversation. Please remember where you are: this isn't a place to dump your one-line opinion and call it a day. We ask more of you here. If you genuinely don't know or understand how your posts are coming across, several of us have just confirmed it back at you: they come across as defensive and emotionally-reactionary.

I see your viewpoint, and that's fine. It's your viewpoint. I disagree with it entirely, at least so far as the "why her not someone else?" part. I've already used the example of Toriyama introducing them in BoG versus random bandits, and I stick by that good analogy. Furthermore, I don't buy the "but she's not strong enough!" point. Characters are more than just their strength, even in a dumb strength-based show like Dragon Ball. I'll take an interesting, weak character above an uninteresting, strong character any day of the week. I hope that's where they're going here.

Jacob's seemingly-pro-pedo viewpoint creeps me out a bit, but that's a discussion for another day. I'm more in line with metamoss here where the BoG relationship really just seemed like a dumb jokey childish thing, and that was super fine with me.