The Things GT Got Right

[Zephyr]

Eh, not really. I will admit that there certainly was narrative cohesion from the King Piccolo arc to the Freeza arc, but after and prior to the arcs really felt self contained.

That's still a pretty substantial chunk of the series though. That's... roughly almost half of it, or not too far below half.

Should probably toss the 22nd TB in there as well, since that leads directly into the Piccolo Daimao arc.

[RandomGuy96]

Honestly don't see how the Saiyan arc is less "self-contained" than the Cell and Buu arcs.

[ABED]

Honestly don't see how the Saiyan arc is less "self-contained" than the Cell and Buu arcs.

It leads directly into the next arc.

[Kunzait_83]

Should probably toss the 22nd TB in there as well, since that leads directly into the Piccolo Daimao arc.

Yeah I'd agree. Tenshinhan's material alone necessitates it. 22nd through Freeza is one long daisy chain of cause-effect. That's not all of the series, but its a damned LOT of it.

[RandomGuy96]

Honestly don't see how the Saiyan arc is less "self-contained" than the Cell and Buu arcs.

It leads directly into the next arc.

The Cell arc begins with the rest of the gang trying to get used to Vegeta and Piccolo being around, then Freeza shows up seeking revenge and threatening to destroy the world.

[ABED]

Honestly don't see how the Saiyan arc is less "self-contained" than the Cell and Buu arcs.

It leads directly into the next arc.

The Cell arc begins with the rest of the gang trying to get used to Vegeta and Piccolo being around, then Freeza shows up seeking revenge and threatening to destroy the world.

1 - The Freeza arc was over and 2 - Freeza has so little to do with the Cell arc beyond being genetic material. The Cell arc isn't a result of the Freeza arc.

22nd through Freeza is one long daisy chain of cause-effect.

The Saiyans aren't caused by Goku winning the 23rd Budokai.

[Zephyr]

Yeah I'd agree. Tenshinhan's material alone necessitates it. 22nd through Freeza is one long daisy chain of cause-effect. That's not all of the series, but its a damned LOT of it.

If anything, I'd say it's the definitive stretch of the series. You have all three of Goku's "mortal enemies turned rivals" and the most iconic villain of the franchise. It's a shame that it's consistently spliced in half for video games, video releases, etc. by the "Z" split (probably my least favorite thing about the split in general).

[RandomGuy96]

1 - The Freeza arc was over

Freeza was still alive and fighting.

and 2 - Freeza has so little to do with the Cell arc beyond being genetic material.

Piccolo had literally nothing to do with the saiyans

The Cell arc isn't a result of the Freeza arc.

Nor is the Saiyan arc the result of the 23rd Budokai.

[ABED]

Freeza was still alive and fighting.

The Freeza arc was still over. Trunks killing him wasn't the climax of Freeza's arc, it was the introduction of the new story.

Piccolo had literally nothing to do with the saiyans

Never claimed he did.

Nor is the Saiyan arc the result of the 23rd Budokai.

Nor this.

[RandomGuy96]

Freeza was still alive and fighting.

The Freeza arc was still over. Trunks killing him wasn't the climax of Freeza's arc, it was the introduction of the new story.

So? Freeza was still an active threat even after the climax.

Never claimed he did. Nor this.

Yes you did. You gave those two things as reasons why the Saiyan arc is more connected and less self-contained than the Cell arc.

Also, as long as we're talking about connected, long stretches of the series, it's worth noting that the Buu arc is significantly longer than the 22nd Budokai arc, the Piccolo Daimao arc, and the 23rd Budokai arc combined. So is the Cell arc actually.

[ABED]

Freeza was still alive and fighting.

The Freeza arc was still over. Trunks killing him wasn't the climax of Freeza's arc, it was the introduction of the new story.

So? Freeza was still an active threat even after the climax.

Never claimed he did. Nor this.

Yes you did. You gave those two things as reasons why the Saiyan arc is more connected and less self-contained than the Cell arc.

So, it's a completely new story with some loose ends tied up but otherwise have little effect on next story.

I never claimed the Saiyan arc was connected to the Piccolo Daimao arcs. It is however connected to the Freeza arc.

[Anime Kitten]

The things I think GT got right:

• Character design
  Black Star Dragon Ball hunt flowing into Baby's appearance
  Not reviving Piccolo right after he died

...and others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Why is it that whenever there's a subject about Super or GT, everyone starts arguing wildly, but if it's about Dragon Ball or Z, everyone agrees and there's no problems?

[Zephyr]

Why is it that whenever there's a subject about Super or GT, everyone starts arguing wildly, but if it's about Dragon Ball or Z, everyone agrees and there's no problems?

That's very, very, very far from the truth.

[ryou766]

If it's about Dragon Ball or Z, everyone agrees and there's no problems?

There have been plenty of debates/arguments centered around the original franchises. It's just that Super is the central point right now so that's what you're mainly going to see.

[ekrolo2]

Why is it that whenever there's a subject about Super or GT, everyone starts arguing wildly, but if it's about Dragon Ball or Z, everyone agrees and there's no problems?

That's very, very, very far from the truth.

Yup, I'm pretty sure anyone here could rip anything from DB & Z a new one just as much as they can for GT or Super.

[Anime Kitten]

Sorry, guess I should've found out about this website prior to BOG.

Anyway, this is way off-topic.

[Zephyr]

Sorry, guess I should've found out about this website prior to BOG.

It's no problem! The more time you spend here the more divisiveness you'll see regarding the original manga and anime.

[ekrolo2]

I want to throw in Goku fucking with Freeza and Cell in the afterlife as a personnel highlight of mine, it works really well with him as a kid that I don't think would've if he were grown up.

[Anime Kitten]

That fight could've been a lot better IMO. And I didn't get why it happened. Then again I have a lot of problems with that episode, but this isn't about that.

[ekrolo2]

That fight could've been a lot better IMO. And I didn't get why it happened. Then again I have a lot of problems with that episode, but this isn't about that.

Eh I don't think so. Freeza and Cell are so far beneath Goku at this point you'd have to give them Resurrection F levels of BS power increase to make them stand a chance against him. Its one of the reasons why GT giving Goku a bigger focus doesn't really bother me, everyone pretty much retired except him, he went on to get stronger while the others didn't.