DBZ vs DBS - Animation [Comparing Objectively]

[Yomi]

Look, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

With that simply said, you also have got to learn to back up your points with proper perspective.

If you want to find more information, go and do what I said above. Believe me, it will help you more than you ever will know.

When top comments look like this, you know there's a lot of ignorance in the fandom.


Ever since episode 5, people have been hopping on animation buzzwords; like the false dichotomy of "Art and Animation", I see "on model" being thrown around a lot too.
but you can't really blame people for not knowing what happens from concept to storyboard, to key frames, to breakdowns, etc etc; and you can't really blame
people for not knowing the principles of animation. I blame the "reviewers" who have no real merit, other than being a fan with a you-tube channel. *cough* double4anime, sawyer7mage.

My post never meant to go this deep into the "Animation debacle" everyone and their mother is talking about. It was just "Here's that episode you hate so much first broadcast" "here's some of Super's best stuff, first broadcast" "here's some poorly animated z scenes from its first Japanese brodcast." "here are some first brodcast sequences you always reference when talking about how great Z's animation was"

Now look at them side by side, what's your conclusion? It could be the same, or it could be different but at least you're looking at it without the Bruce falconer, the HD remasters, and re-releases, and clean ups. At least it's just frames, Animation. Nothing else.

[Bansho64]

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[Hit!!]

^^Those type of comments annoy me to no end.

Criticizing Super's animation has become a trend and now everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon to look like they know what they're talking about.

What pisses me off is that they do this even when the animation is actually good.

[Bansho64]

^^Those type of comments annoy me to no end.

Which comment were you talkin' about? The one Yomi put at the top of the one I put down above you? Wasn't sure which one you were pointing at so I just deleted mine.

[Lookerman]

^^Those type of comments annoy me to no end.

Criticizing Super's animation has become a trend and now everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon to look like they know what they're talking about.

What pisses me off is that they do this even when the animation is actually good.

That's because they've been too accustomed to the quality featured in episodes like 5 and 24. They just base their opinions off of those and nothing more.

Granted, I'm not too huge a fan of Super's overall quality, but even I can admit that most of the episodes look okay, if nothing spectacular. Yeah there's some horribly drawn scenes, but for the most part they're about on par with your standard anime these days.

As others have said, the schedule's the reason why those two episodes in particular sucked the big one when it came to the art and animation of the series. Other episodes clearly had similar issues, but not to that same extent. Now if it was consistently shit, I'd understand, but it's not. So a lot of these claims feel like they're just looking for excuses not to like the show.

[Shuby]

^^Those type of comments annoy me to no end.

Criticizing Super's animation has become a trend and now everybody wants to jump on the bandwagon to look like they know what they're talking about.

What pisses me off is that they do this even when the animation is actually good.

That's because they've been too accustomed to the quality featured in episodes like 5 and 24. They just base their opinions off of those and nothing more.

Granted, I'm not too huge a fan of Super's overall quality, but even I can admit that most of the episodes look okay, if nothing spectacular. Yeah there's some horribly drawn scenes, but for the most part they're about on par with your standard anime these days.

As others have said, the schedule's the reason why those two episodes in particular sucked the big one when it came to the art and animation of the series. Other episodes clearly had similar issues, but not to that same extent. Now if it was consistently shit, I'd understand, but it's not. So a lot of these claims feel like they're just looking for excuses not to like the show.

Believe me i like Super but the animation is the least to worry about they are doing a lot of things wrong for exp not utilizing the z- cast

[z_cherub]

It's not even the animation IMO (DB has always seemed a bit stiff). It's the art. Thick lines and dodgy quality are a bit irksome, but they eyes of the characters in Super are often angled just plain wrong, and they throw off the whole anatomy/angle of the faces.

[HybridSaiyan]

I think it's just mostly the colors that ruin Dragon Ball Super because when comparing SSJ2 Goku, the original stomps.





Not the best comparison, i know.

[ArchedThunder]

I think it's just mostly the colors that ruin Dragon Ball Super because when comparing SSJ2 Goku, the original stomps.





Not the best comparison, i know.

You could at least use a better image with the actual colors.

[ryou766]

ArchedThunder: Holy shit, I'm in love with that shot of SS2 Goku.

[Hit!!]

^^Those type of comments annoy me to no end.

Which comment were you talkin' about? The one Yomi put at the top of the one I put down above you? Wasn't sure which one you were pointing at so I just deleted mine.

Sorry, wasn't talking about your comment. I actually never saw your comment. When i was typing, the last message i saw was Yomi's.

However, someone not liking your comment is not a reason for you to delete it. You are entitled to your opinion, even if i don't agree. But again, i never saw your comment. Sorry for the confusion.

[Hit!!]

Super has been constantly improving it's animation since the ROF arc. I think the staff has been finding their way in the last 20 episodes and are finally starting to find a way to work around the hellish schedule to which they are subjected.

At least the episodes are looking a lot more on model than before and the average animation is starting to look decent, of course with its ups and downs, but at least never dropping to ep 24 levels. The last time DBS looked really bad was at episode 33 and that was 17 episodes ago.

[z_cherub]

Okay - quick and dirty sketch to illustrate my point about the eyes looking different in Super:



EDIT: image wasn't showing up for me, so here's the link:

http://imgur.com/sv2pwmi

Notice the "new" Super versions of characters tend to have larger pupils and wider eyes, making them look less menacing.

Also, they tend to have less of an angle on the bottom line of the eye making them look more wide-open and less Clint Eastwood "squinty".

They also have a slightly wider gap between their eyes and also between the outside edge of the eyes and the side of their heads with a straight-ahead view. This make a their heads look slightly larger and again less menacing (especially when compared with the skinnier frames and more narrow necks they all have now).

They're all just a tiny step closer to being chibby versions of their Z selves. Just my observation/opinion.

[Ajay]

What you're pointing out is the difference in the character designs that are handed out as a reference for each animator.

Here are the old designs:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

and here are the new:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[z_cherub]

Thanks for sharing that - cool to look at.

That said, the way Vegeta is drawn in Super often varies from that as he frequently as the wider eyes & bigger pupils as well.

[Ajay]

Definitely. The way characters are drawn depends very heavily on the animation supervisor behind the episode or key animator behind a particular scene.

For example, Hakamada tends to draw characters with gigantic pupils.

[buutenks]

DBz had its share of bad animation. Most which bugged me was in the cell games. And ussj vs cell had some awesome animation, then some really nasty ones.

With super, episode 5 was pretty bad id say and one episode with goku vs golden freeza, had allot of not so good animation, tho not as bad as ep 5. But ep 27, had awesome animation.

I guess its best to wait till its finished to make a good comparison.

Also, idk about rest but BOG arc had very good animation. I really liked it.

[Lujin_16]

Movie version




Movie version

[Ajay]

Outside of the Cell shot, all you've done is post a load of inbetweens which have no real merit without proper context.

[Bansho64]

Lupin almost all of those are in between frames from the animation. People have already mentioned this earlier.