Goku's role/usage in Dragon Ball Super

[GodKaio-Ken]

When I watch with actual subs rather than not understanding a word, I find Goku to be 100% within his character actually. It's only when I watch the episodes raw that I have issues.

Also he's portrayed extremely well in the Manga version.

[TheMikado]

i think they exaggerated on goku's naivety. i have never seen goku like that,he is more childish than when he was kid .

the same guy who can meditate for days and wait 10 years for a worth opponent can't stand still for 5 seconds .

i only saw traits of the goku i knew at his fight with hit.

You're not the first to feel this way.... See these very recent threads

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viewtopic.php?f=7&t=34755

[Xeztin]

I'm not sure honesty. I watched the latest episode of Kai on Toonami where Goku is training Gohan in the RoSaT and he just seemed more like a fatherly figure I guess you could say or that he was more "down to earth" in a sense. In Z he felt like that person that one would turn too when they needed advice or help but in Super it's like if it's not to do with fighting, there's somebody else better.

There is a DRASTIC change in his personality between the two series, but why should he be serious now even in the face of death? The guy's got on the good side of every single higher being that he's come into contact with, and he and his family are "Blessed" or have nothing to worry about I suppose, plus there are the 3 set sets of Dragon Balls. Beerus and Whis are more than likely never going to let anything happen to them regardless of what they say. Goku has hit the jackpot and he has no worry in the world where as in Z, especially early on, he didn't have that insurance. He just worries about his fighting as a sport rather than he does protecting his family, friends and home. That's how I look at it, because he's more than likely never going to stay dead even when killed. He has too many strings he can pull easily. If he died the very next episode, he'd be back before anyone got hurt even without a wish and he'd probably just laugh about it and say something like "You got me that time, but it won't happen again."

[GodKaio-Ken]

I'm not sure honesty. I watched the latest episode of Kai on Toonami were Goku is training Gohan in the RoSaT and he just seemed more like a fatherly figure I guess you could say or that he was more "down to earth" in a sense. In Z he felt like that person that one would turn too when they needed advice or help but in Super it's like if it's not to do with fighting, there's somebody else better.

There is a DRASTIC change in his personality between the two series, but why should he be serious now even in the face of death? The guy's got on the good side of every single higher being that he's come into contact with, and he in his family are "Blessed" or have nothing to worry about I suppose, plus there are the 3 set sets of Dragon Balls. Beerus and Whis are more than likely never going to let anything happen to them regardless of what they say. Goku has hit the jackpot and he has no worry in the world where as in Z, especially early on, he didn't have that insurance. He just worries about his fighting as a sport rather than he does protecting his family, friends and home. That's how I look at it, because he's more than likely never going to stay dead even when killed. He has too many strings he can pull easily. If he died the very next episode, he'd be back before anyone got hurt even without a wish and he'd probably just laugh about it and say something like "You got me that time, but it won't happen again."

THIS.

Once you know all about the afterlife, death, Gods, so forth it seems like dying or even others dying would become much more trivial. Oh we are all going to blow up if I lose? Its cool though because better things are waiting!

[dragonballer]

I'm not sure honesty. I watched the latest episode of Kai on Toonami were Goku is training Gohan in the RoSaT and he just seemed more like a fatherly figure I guess you could say or that he was more "down to earth" in a sense. In Z he felt like that person that one would turn too when they needed advice or help but in Super it's like if it's not to do with fighting, there's somebody else better.

There is a DRASTIC change in his personality between the two series, but why should he be serious now even in the face of death? The guy's got on the good side of every single higher being that he's come into contact with, and he in his family are "Blessed" or have nothing to worry about I suppose, plus there are the 3 set sets of Dragon Balls. Beerus and Whis are more than likely never going to let anything happen to them regardless of what they say. Goku has hit the jackpot and he has no worry in the world where as in Z, especially early on, he didn't have that insurance. He just worries about his fighting as a sport rather than he does protecting his family, friends and home. That's how I look at it, because he's more than likely never going to stay dead even when killed. He has too many strings he can pull easily. If he died the very next episode, he'd be back before anyone got hurt even without a wish and he'd probably just laugh about it and say something like "You got me that time, but it won't happen again."

THIS.

Once you know all about the afterlife, death, Gods, so forth it seems like dying or even others dying would become much more trivial. Oh we are all going to blow up if I lose? Its cool though because better things are waiting!

but that explanation makes me feel like goku is a guy with no money back then and his personality changed a lot once he got a lot of money. the dbz goku,IMO,while he gets excited when he knows about someone strong,he acts with more composure and is more collected.

[Xeztin]

I'm not sure honesty. I watched the latest episode of Kai on Toonami were Goku is training Gohan in the RoSaT and he just seemed more like a fatherly figure I guess you could say or that he was more "down to earth" in a sense. In Z he felt like that person that one would turn too when they needed advice or help but in Super it's like if it's not to do with fighting, there's somebody else better.

There is a DRASTIC change in his personality between the two series, but why should he be serious now even in the face of death? The guy's got on the good side of every single higher being that he's come into contact with, and he in his family are "Blessed" or have nothing to worry about I suppose, plus there are the 3 set sets of Dragon Balls. Beerus and Whis are more than likely never going to let anything happen to them regardless of what they say. Goku has hit the jackpot and he has no worry in the world where as in Z, especially early on, he didn't have that insurance. He just worries about his fighting as a sport rather than he does protecting his family, friends and home. That's how I look at it, because he's more than likely never going to stay dead even when killed. He has too many strings he can pull easily. If he died the very next episode, he'd be back before anyone got hurt even without a wish and he'd probably just laugh about it and say something like "You got me that time, but it won't happen again."

THIS.

Once you know all about the afterlife, death, Gods, so forth it seems like dying or even others dying would become much more trivial. Oh we are all going to blow up if I lose? Its cool though because better things are waiting!

but that explanation makes me feel like goku is a guy with no money back then and his personality changed a lot once he got a lot of money. the dbz goku,IMO,while he gets excited when he knows about someone strong,he acts with more composure and is more collected.

That pretty much sums up what I was trying to say and as someone mentioned above, he was more like his Z self in the BoG arc. After that is when you really started seeing the difference in his personality. I mean even now, Beerus is helping him with the case of Black when he doesn't have too and to be honest by his title standards shouldn't. Earth was fixed via Whis in the RoF arc, etc. He just has too many ways out of basically everything including Chi-Chi. Death? No problem we have about 10 ways to fix that, (Whis, Kaio, Kais, Yama, Dragon Balls, and presumably the Omni-King etc) Money? We have Mr. Satan, Goku's son married his daughter after all. Get away from Chi-Chi? We have Kaio and Beerus/Whis for that. Goku literally can't loose, he has absolutely nothing to loose because no matter what happens he can have it fixed, including death. I'd probably act like Goku too if I had all that, and here we thought Vegeta was the one that had it made.

[GodKaio-Ken]

THIS.

Once you know all about the afterlife, death, Gods, so forth it seems like dying or even others dying would become much more trivial. Oh we are all going to blow up if I lose? Its cool though because better things are waiting!

but that explanation makes me feel like goku is a guy with no money back then and his personality changed a lot once he got a lot of money. the dbz goku,IMO,while he gets excited when he knows about someone strong,he acts with more composure and is more collected.

That pretty much sums up what I was trying to say and as someone mentioned above, he was more like his Z self in the BoG arc. After that is when you really started seeing the difference in his personality. I mean even now, Beerus is helping him with the case of Black when he doesn't have too and to be honest by his title standards shouldn't. Earth was fixed via Whis in the RoF arc, etc. He just has too many ways out of basically everything including Chi-Chi. Death? No problem we have about 10 ways to fix that, (Whis, Kaio, Kais, Yama, Dragon Balls, and presumably the Omni-King etc) Money? We have Mr. Satan, Goku's son married his daughter after all. Get away from Chi-Chi? We have Kaio and Beerus/Whis for that. Goku literally can't loose, he has absolutely nothing to loose because no matter what happens he can have it fixed, including death. I'd probably act like Goku too if I had all that, and here we thought Vegeta was the one that had it made.

Ya know maybe the dude deserves to have some carefree ADHD time after people repeatedly put the hope of the world on his shoulders his first what...50 years of life? Yeah he took it all in stride but maybe he deserves to not be that way anymore

[Anime Kitten]

We have a thread for this, you know. It was posted in this very thread.

[Xeztin]

We have a thread for this, you know. It was posted in this very thread.

I suppose the OP didn't see it? I guess you could combine the two if possible.

[Anime Kitten]

I suppose the OP didn't see it? I guess you could combine the two if possible.

I guess it's up to the mods if they want to move the posts there.

[Xeztin]

I suppose the OP didn't see it? I guess you could combine the two if possible.

I guess it's up to the mods if they want to move the posts there.

Yeah, though it shouldn't be a problem being in two different sections. Actually there are older threads with the same question, its been asked since BoG.

[Rip the Jacker]

Honestly I think it might be time to retire Goku and Vegeta if we are ever going to get another series anywhere near the quality of the original. I think that, in a lead role, there's no where else to go with goku but backwards. I wish we could have him as a legend. Like, a mentor or old master type of role. That's where I want to see him. Goku from the Cell saga all the way through the But saga was awesome. My favorite era of the character.

Where do you guys personally think the character peaked?

[GodKaio-Ken]

Honestly I think it might be time to retire Goku and Vegeta if we are ever going to get another series anywhere near the quality of the original. I think that, in a lead role, there's no where else to go with goku but backwards. I wish we could have him as a legend. Like, a mentor or old master type of role. That's where I want to see him. Goku from the Cell saga all the way through the But saga was awesome. My favorite era of the character.

Where do you guys personally think the character peaked?

Against Frieza.

Though I liked his character I hated him taking a backseat to Gohan willingly against Cell and thought the entire Buu Saga was pretty bad compared to the rest. I actually prefer Super Goku to Buu Saga Goku.

[omaro34]

Goku not knowing that Monaka is a wimp goes to show how naive and gullible he's become. Granted he's always been unintelligent outside fighting, but Super takes it to a whole new level of immaturity and the last episode of Super highlights that the most.

[dragonballer]

Goku not knowing that Monaka is a wimp goes to show how naive and gullible he's become. Granted he's always been unintelligent outside fighting, but Super takes it to a whole new level of immaturity and the last episode of Super highlights that the most.

I can picture the "old" Goku playing dumb during that Monaka thing,he would at least realize everything once he saw Pual as Beerus and decided to not say anything.

[Kagari]

Honestly I think it might be time to retire Goku and Vegeta if we are ever going to get another series anywhere near the quality of the original. I think that, in a lead role, there's no where else to go with goku but backwards. I wish we could have him as a legend. Like, a mentor or old master type of role. That's where I want to see him. Goku from the Cell saga all the way through the But saga was awesome. My favorite era of the character.

Where do you guys personally think the character peaked?

When Goku was insistent on the younger generation taking over, that was probably my favorite character moments for him. It showed a level of maturity that's completely absent in Super.

[sintzu]

Goku from the Cell saga all the way through the Buu saga was awesome. My favorite era of the character.

I agree with this, after he was the student for so many years he finally became the teacher of the new generation.

His character also matured quite a bit which might've been due to him becoming a Ssj.

[PsionicWarrior]

Was Goku that dumb since the beginning of Super? I have a feeling his retardness has increased with the episodes.

[SansrivaaL]

Was Goku that dumb since the beginning of Super? I have a feeling his retardness has increased with the episodes.

He was sort of dumb but with each passing episode it gets worst. At least thats how I see it, and he's getting more and more childish as well.

[sintzu]

Was Goku that dumb since the beginning of Super? I have a feeling his retardness has increased with the episodes.

He was sort of dumb but with each passing episode it gets worst. At least that's how I see it, and he's getting more and more childish as well.

It's a shame Masako Nozawa is stuck with this writing cause she'd probably be able to blow her previous work out of the water if she had a good script to work with.

A legendary character and his legendary voice actress both completely dragged through the mud thanks to Toei and Toriyama's incompetence and to make things worse, this might be the last time she voices him due to her age.