Black_Liger wrote:fadeddreams5 wrote:Black_Liger wrote:
Not just cause, he was really doubtful, not not murderous when he first appeared, he voiced his concerns as to "Why humans need to be protected" then he slowly developed his murderous intent until he finally said "Evil must be punished". So, yeah, that's development, atleast on dbz villain standards.
Not to mention all 3 Zamasu emcompass everything about him, he's an entity thousands of times more dangerous, misterious and interesting than anything before him.
Honestly, I feel the character lacks substance and is pretty bland. I mean, you can say the same about every DBZ villain, but this one is
supposed to be complex. Frieza's presence in the Namek saga made him more interesting. Cell's hunt for the androids made him more interesting too.
He didn't really develop much either. Goku's existence just kind of made him take action he already wanted to the minute he appears on-screen for the first time. This is reinforced in the latest episode, where he's quick to join Black. If he was merely concerned at first, he wouldn't have quickly shook hands with Black and hugged him. He was an evil, conniving linear villain from the start.
I like the character, but I feel he's wasted potential too.
Frieza was evil just because, Cell was just programmed to do what he had to do, if these are interesting to you, I fail to understand why Zamasu is not miles ahead of them, the guy literally had a contingency plan for everything, he literally succeded killing mortals and gods in all universes, he destroyed the damn super dragon balls, his body count is higher than frieza and buu and while frieza was merciless and savage, Zamasu went in ahead to psicologically mess up his enemies, not just beating them to a pulp. Also, Zamasu is an entity that you need to pay attention to 3 subjects in order to fully comprehend, future zamasu is not just zamasu, neither is just black, all of the 3 Zamasus make up his character, different phases of him and personalities. You say he didn't develop much, but I tell ya, he developed a lot, his past persona serves to get to know about his fall into depravity, Inmortal Zamasu is there for us to see the result of his god complex, and Black is a whole different path for his goal with a deep bloodlust and thirst for power.
You really do go out of your way to be negative on db super aspects, but atleast give credit where credit is due.
I'm never negative. I'm a very positive individual. And I did give credit where credit is due; I mentioned I like Zamasu, but also feel he was wasted potential, given the fact that he's
supposed to be the most complex villain in the series.
Frieza - Sure, he's evil for evil's sake, but there's a reason behind that: at that point in the series (let's ignore the bullshit interactions with Beerus shoehorned into modern DB), Frieza was the most feared living organism in the entire galaxy; he had no equals aside from his family. As a result of his vast power and teachings from his father, Frieza was born with a sense of entitlement, knowing that he could get what he wants because no living being could stop him from getting it. But here's what makes him unique and interesting: he doesn't want to lose this lifestyle and control over others; he strongly fears this, hence why he destroyed Planet Vegeta (again, ignoring bullshit Beerus retcons) and went to Namek to wish for immortality. That's how the show made me interpret this character.
But forget his motives for second. His presence alone in the Namek saga made him incredibly interesting. Throughout the arc, we witness so many strong enemies, including Vegeta, that the main cast has to flee from because they know they're overpowered by them. And yet, all of them have something in common: they are scared shitless of Frieza. The #1 rule in this saga was "stay the **** away from Frieza." To me, it's not just about motives, origin, or personality, but execution and presentation. Everything about this villain was executed so damn well. He is intimidating and classy.
Cell - He was a horror monster upon introduction. That was terrifying. Besides this, he was a villain with a clear cut goal: absorb the androids. The fun here was wondering how he does this and what will happen when he does so. The payoff was rewarding. We got so many exciting battles out of it, and we witnessed so many cool transformations. Cell's personality changed with each one. Perfect Cell is probably the most generic, but what I find interesting about him is his incredible sense of delusion. I mean, he is the most egomanical villain in the entire series. He hosted a tournament just to have fun with his powers. He has no end goals besides testing his limits. Cell is the sort of villain who, if he got his ways, would have been driven mad by his own boredom. Also, he hands down has the best character design in the franchise.
Zamasu - Again, I like him. It's not so much the character, but the writing and pace of the arc itself. Like you mentioned, Frieza was evil for evil's sake and Cell was programmed to do what he did, but Zamasu is supposed to be something more. He is supposed to be a genuinely good character that turned evil to carry out what he considers justice; he acts for a greater good. In other words, he's
meant to be more complex than the others. However, I feel characters like this need more time devoted to them to make an impact. Otherwise, he's no different than Vaccine Man from One Punch Man, which he is. These "humans must perish, for they are harming the world" villains are just as generic as the ones that just destroy shit cause they like to see the world burn. It all comes down to execution. The minute Zamasu is introduced, he's already contemplating over the dangers of humans. We don't really get a basis for this; he just forms these ideas cause war and shit. You say he developed, but he barely did, imo, especially considering he was quick to hug Black and join him with little hesitation; he had a murderous intent from the start. And yeah, he has a higher kill count than most DB villains, but this isn't directly shown, so it fails to make much of an impact compared to Super Buu flat out murdering the entire human race in 5 seconds on-screen, Frieza killing innocent children, and Imperfect Cell absorbing the humans.
This entire arc has been the characters going back and forth through time and getting their asses beaten by Black. Meanwhile, Black just floats around, accomplishing nothing and somehow getting one-upped by humans who should have been dead ages ago, Zamasu babbles some pretentious speech, and they toot each other's horn. The execution is so subpar, I have a hard time caring about these villains. Besides beating up the cast, what have these characters actually done on-screen? In the future, Zamasu is already immortal when he shows up, and everything is in ruins by the start of the arc. They don't do anything besides talk about what they've done and what they want to do. All he has going for him are his ideals he preaches, which are not something I haven't seen before.
TL;DR - Zamasu's an otherwise very good character limited by poor execution, imo, whereas Frieza and Cell are the complete opposite.
I can't explain it myself, but I've always loved villains, the more depraved the better (hell, the first episode of DBZ I ever saw involved Vegeta running around Namek being a dick to everyone he came across, thus instantly getting me into his character and the show itself!) Seeing inside Zamasu's mind, slipping further into the dark side with every episode, until he finally snapped in that moment of clarity and decided what he needed to do...it was really great to watch. He stays pretty calm and level most of the time, but it's great to see him become unhinged and go off the deep end as he forces his sense of justice upon the universes. And those evil grins, man...*swoon*
