What is Mafuba? Why is it a BAD idea to use on Zamasu?

[HeroR]

There is a strong possibility that Zamasu and Black can see alternative universes or even learn information from other versions of Zamasu (like Black knew that Zamasu in Goku's timeline is dead). This is also explained by the fact that they always happen to appear in front of Trunks or know when they arrive (saying that this is due to ki sense sounds a little bit far-fetched since last time Zamasu and Black instantly said "they have arrived"). So considering this it is possible that Zamasu will know about the wave. Also comparing Zamasu (an ssj3 at least in power++++pretty smart opponent) to Piccolo is a little bit day to night. Lastly someone mention it but I am not 100% that is true but isn't Mafuba a demon sealing technique?

Base on what? Such a thing has never been hinted at. And he knew Goku was supposed to die to a heart virus because Zuno told him everything about Goku. Him being sick and supposed to die and only saved by a time traveler would be basic information about Goku.

It has nothing to do with being smart. King Piccolo was smart and never created a counter to the Evil Containment Wave. Piccolo knew about it and spent three years countering it so he believed that was his only weakness next to Goku.

As for the Evil Containment Wave only working on demons, it worked on Piccolo and he isn't a demon. He's an alien.

[Mazingerdestro]

There is a strong possibility that Zamasu and Black can see alternative universes or even learn information from other versions of Zamasu (like Black knew that Zamasu in Goku's timeline is dead). This is also explained by the fact that they always happen to appear in front of Trunks or know when they arrive (saying that this is due to ki sense sounds a little bit far-fetched since last time Zamasu and Black instantly said "they have arrived"). So considering this it is possible that Zamasu will know about the wave. Also comparing Zamasu (an ssj3 at least in power++++pretty smart opponent) to Piccolo is a little bit day to night. Lastly someone mention it but I am not 100% that is true but isn't Mafuba a demon sealing technique?

Base on what? Such a thing has never been hinted at. And he knew Goku was supposed to die to a heart virus because Zuno told him everything about Goku. Him being sick and supposed to die and only saved by a time traveler would be basic information about Goku.

It has nothing to do with being smart. King Piccolo was smart and never created a counter to the Evil Containment Wave. Piccolo knew about it and spent three years countering it so he believed that was his only weakness next to Goku.

As for the Evil Containment Wave only working on demons, it worked on Piccolo and he isn't a demon. He's an alien.

Based on the time ring allowing him to travel between realities and time/the whole "Gods work different with time" a fact that Beerus mentioned and still we don't know why. Maybe we will learn that Gods with time rings sense when one of their versions die. Still a speculation considering the arc is still on-going. Did Zuno ever talked with Blackmasu? (I mean the Zamasu that turned to Black) Or is it a speculation?

King Piccolo was smart? He was cunning yeah I can give you that but smart? A guy with 1 weakness that sealed him for years and once he got out he saw more people doing the same thing and never developed a counter can be considered smart? I can't accept this. Heck even the Piccolo line "people consider me a strategist" sounds far-fetched. Did Piccolo ever developed an effective strategy? Did db ever needed a strategy beyond "hey let's steal the dbs from Vegeta and make a wish to bring Piccolo back!!! Yeah nobody will see us!!!", which was a silly plan considering the sky always turns black. A fact that Goku mentioned to Gohan and Krillin like few hours ago.

On the other hand Zamasu (or Black) is some kind of evil mastermind. Developing a plan like that. For db standards his plan was perfect.

For mafuba working on Junior was a time that we could still consider him an evil demon since Kami was God. I think that in a podcast Mike explained that we have no proof that Toriyama was thinking of Namekians back then (I might be wrong) and it makes sense considering Toriyama didn't ever write whole stories for arcs in advance.

[Nejishiki]

As for the Evil Containment Wave only working on demons, it worked on Piccolo and he isn't a demon. He's an alien.

Piccolo was Mazoku. In Dragon World, it's possible to both have a native race and belong to a class. Piccolo was always Namekian, but he eventually retired his Mazoku status. This is referenced in-universe when Raditz is allowed to be judged by Enma. To suggest Piccolo never belonged to that class nor shared its characteristics would be incorrect. Furthermore, no phrasing exists that the Mafuba only works on the Mazoku. The Reverse Mafuba is still a version of the technique and it trapped God. He certainly isn't evil given his background and why Piccolo even exists. (General statement, not directed towards you)

For mafuba working on Junior was a time that we could still consider him an evil demon since Kami was God. I think that in a podcast Mike explained that we have no proof that Toriyama was thinking of Namekians back then (I might be wrong) and it makes sense considering Toriyama didn't ever write whole stories for arcs in advance.

Toriyama considered God and Piccolo alien when they shared time together, yet they possessed separate abilities unrelated to their race. As mentioned, their background does not exclude those two from class changes. It's apparent when compared to native Namekians.

[Lord Beerus]

As for the Evil Containment Wave only working on demons, it worked on Piccolo and he isn't a demon. He's an alien.

Piccolo was Mazoku. In Dragon World, it's possible to both have a native race and belong to a class. Piccolo was always Namekian, but he eventually retired his Mazoku status. This is referenced in-universe when Raditz is allowed to be judged by Enma. To suggest Piccolo never belonged to that class nor shared its characteristics would be incorrect. Furthermore, no phrasing exists that the Mafuba only works on the Mazoku. The Reverse Mafuba is still a version of the technique and it trapped God. He certainly isn't evil given his background and why Piccolo even exists. (General statement, not directed towards you)

For mafuba working on Junior was a time that we could still consider him an evil demon since Kami was God. I think that in a podcast Mike explained that we have no proof that Toriyama was thinking of Namekians back then (I might be wrong) and it makes sense considering Toriyama didn't ever write whole stories for arcs in advance.

Toriyama considered God and Piccolo alien when they shared time together, yet they possessed separate abilities unrelated to their race. As mentioned, their background does not exclude those two from class changes. It's apparent when compared to native Namekians.

I have a good/bad feeling they are going to recton out the stipulation of the Mafuba only working on demons.

[Nejishiki]

As mentioned, it wouldn't be a retcon if it wasn't established that the Mafuba only works against Mazoku. Toriyama is a vague enough writer to allow something like that to be flexible. To my recollection, it was only recounted by Turtle Hermit that Mutaito developed it for Piccolo, not that it's exclusive to sealing his ilk alone.

[ChronoTwigger]

It couldn't work just 'cause Zamasu spirit is hosted in another body. Some exceptional rule like that. He need also the original body, but that body was destroyed.

[Mazingerdestro]

Well it could also be nothing.
Piccolo stating the Mafuba.
Goku visiting Roshi.
Roshi flat-out turning him down explaining why it wouldn't work.
It's a possible scenario and considering how weak mafuba is that even a useless 1 kick minion like Drum took basically tons of power to do it (which in the end failed), I can see Roshi basically saying "yeahhhh no it won't work".
Also it would be so "not db" if they used such a boring way to beat Zamasu at least (no joke it is hard to understand how people find exciting a sealing technique in a battle series). A guy that caused so much trouble and killed many gets sealed....
Sealing Zamasu also won't give the "please forgive me" moment we need in order to prove that Zamasu is a scam. It could be ok if it was used after the battle but instantly....I don't think so.

[ChronoTwigger]

Well it could also be nothing.
Piccolo stating the Mafuba.
Goku visiting Roshi.
Roshi flat-out turning him down explaining why it wouldn't work.
It's a possible scenario and considering how weak mafuba is that even a useless 1 kick minion like Drum took basically tons of power to do it (which in the end failed), I can see Roshi basically saying "yeahhhh no it won't work".
Also it would be so "not db" if they used such a boring way to beat Zamasu at least (no joke it is hard to understand how people find exciting a sealing technique in a battle series). A guy that caused so much trouble and killed many gets sealed....
Sealing Zamasu also won't give the "please forgive me" moment we need in order to prove that Zamasu is a scam. It could be ok if it was used after the battle but instantly....I don't think so.

We ALL know a fusion is coming.
We do, isn't?
Super God Gogeta is almost telegraphed at that point.

[Nightmare Wheel]

It's a possible scenario and considering how weak mafuba is that even a useless 1 kick minion like Drum took basically tons of power to do it (which in the end failed), I can see Roshi basically saying "yeahhhh no it won't work".

I'd just like to note that Drum having the Mafuba used against him was filler. In the manga Tenshinhan never gets the chance.

[Gig]

Super God Gogeta is almost telegraphed at that point.

Gogeta isn't canon, IIRC... he appeared only in movies and GT...
So, who knows if Vegeta knows fusion dance? It doesn't seem there is the time to learn it at the moment. Do you imagine a fusion with Trunks instead?
Oh, stop: this thread is about Mafuba...

[Cetra]

And here I wanted to know if someone wrote something new and interesting about the Mafuba and what do I have to read again? Totally laims about Gogeta not being "canon". Which isn't even the adjective, "canonical" is.

Well, we don't need to wait that much longer anymore. Maybe for the Mafuba being used but we should at least get some new info in the show in 2 days. Except if they do like, let's say, return in the last few minutes to their time, the line about the Mafuba falls and the episode is over.