Uub and Buu fusion, not that strong in a sense

[Xyex]

And that all goes together to show how Goku was clearly exaggerating in order to help convince Piccolo that fusion is the option they should just go with. Since he never did tell Buu that, that's clearly one other thing he just said to keep their hopes up, too. He told Piccolo the opposite of what was true, that he didn't think he could beat Buu but fusion probably could. The truth was he could but fusion was quite a gamble as Goku said himself(it's quite clear he didn't think, "Yep! I'm absolutely positively sure a fighter way, way stronger than Buu who Buu doesn't stand any chance at all against will show up for sure!" ) He must've just not wanted to risk being too honest and going, "I could've beaten Buu if I wanted, but I think they should use fusion, even though I can't guarantee it'll be enough." And get a, "...Get your ass back down there!"

Goku wasn't even sure that he could beat Fat Buu. But he was sure that Gotenks would at least give Fat Buu a challange. This is SSJ Gotenks, pre-RoSaT he's thinking of here.

Also, note that SSJ Gotenks wasn't massacred by Super Buu when they fought and Goku said that neither he or Vegeta would stand a chance against him.

Finally, consider the power of Super Buu2. If SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't considerably more powerful than SSJ3 Goku then Super Buu2 wouldn't have been that much of an improvement, would he? Gohan would have still trounced him.

[Metrite]

Goku wasn't even sure that he could beat Fat Buu. But he was sure that Gotenks would at least give Fat Buu a challange.

Goku said himself, "I can say this now, but the truth is I coul've beaten the chubby Buu when I was super saiyan 3, but I wanted the new generation to try taking care of themselves."

Also, note that SSJ Gotenks wasn't massacred by Super Buu when they fought

Yep, Buu was too busy reading a magazine and doing little more than standing around, until he started using ssj Gotenks like a punching bag(and Gotenks wasn't handicapped).

Finally, consider the power of Super Buu2. If SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't considerably more powerful than SSJ3 Goku then Super Buu2 wouldn't have been that much of an improvement, would he? Gohan would have still trounced him.

Since Gotenks was around Buu's strength, it makes sense that Buu may become quite a bit stronger. That doesn't in any way mean ssj1 Gotenks dwarfs ssj3 Goku, though.

[veshira]

However, we don't know how strong the Kaioshin were compared to the Z-senshi.

Yes, we do. Kaioshin was amazed by the "unbelievable" strength of Gohan(who wasn't even much compared to ssj2 Goku/Vegeta), so much that he was sure he could succeed where no Kaioshin ever had(pulling the Z sword). That shows Gohan was far stronger than any Kaioshin. Kaioshin had never met anybody with such strength(and it was apparently ssj1 Gohan that pulled sword, so the Kaioshins were even weaker than than that, and obviously nothing at all compared to Buu(So you can't help but wonder, why do some think South Kaioshin could've made Kid Buu countless times stronger? lol He'd increase Buu's strength by a teeny tiny bit at most, if at all.)).

And you may want to get rid of all the math signs there. I think it's prefered that you do not make crazy algebraic character comparisons.

Yes, but I don't know if Trunks and Goten are stronger than Kaioshin, or if even Piccolo is (though in my opinion, Piccolo could probably kick Kaioshin's ass. He was just scared that Kaioshin might have been Daikaiou, but he's actually even higher ranked. ) I know anyone stronger than Piccolo is definately stronger than Kaioshin.

Oh, and I'm sure most people here can hand algebraic math symbols, at least the ones I used. They're pretty basic, and anyone in middle school or higher educated should know what they mean.

And South Kaioshin was the strongest of the four Kaioshin. We have to gather that South Kaioshin must have been stronger than Dabura, because if Majin Buu deemed South Kaioshin worth absorbing, and not Dabura, than we have to assume that South Kaioshin was stronger than Dabura, don't we.

And that all goes together to show how Goku was clearly exaggerating in order to help convince Piccolo that fusion is the option they should just go with. Since he never did tell Buu that, that's clearly one other thing he just said to keep their hopes up, too. He told Piccolo the opposite of what was true, that he didn't think he could beat Buu but fusion probably could.

I don't know what dub you're watching, but Goku isn't one to lie to get people to do what he wants. Especially if the world's at stake.

[Socar15]

And South Kaioshin was the strongest of the four Kaioshin. We have to gather that South Kaioshin must have been stronger than Dabura, because if Majin Buu deemed South Kaioshin worth absorbing, and not Dabura, than we have to assume that South Kaioshin was stronger than Dabura, don't we.

I'm in a bit of a bind at the moment, so I don't have much time. I'll try to get back later and address the other stuff I was involved with.

Anyway, I just would like to point out a quick fact: It was stated that no Kaioushin had ever been strong enough to pull out the Z Sword. Gohan was however. Just something to keep in mind.

[Metrite]

Oh, and I'm sure most people here can hand algebraic math symbols, at least the ones I used. They're pretty basic, and anyone in middle school or higher educated should know what they mean.

I think I remember EX once saying he prefered they be avoided. They probably just bring back bad memories of one of the things that spread around just because whoever came up with that idea must have just been too lazy to type much.

And South Kaioshin was the strongest of the four Kaioshin. We have to gather that South Kaioshin must have been stronger than Dabura, because if Majin Buu deemed South Kaioshin worth absorbing, and not Dabura, than we have to assume that South Kaioshin was stronger than Dabura, don't we.

No. We don't even know why Buu absorbed either kaioshin. But the fact that Kaioshin was so amazed by ssj Gohan, who succeeded where none of them could, clearly shows even Gohan was way stronger than any of the Kaioshins.

I don't know what dub you're watching, but Goku isn't one to lie to get people to do what he wants. Especially if the world's at stake.

lol It ain't any dub. Goku did say himself that the truth was that he could beat Buu but chose not to because he wanted this generation to try handling it(it's more like he chose taking a risk because he was afraid if he beat Buu, then they could be out of luck in the future since he won't be able to just come back and save the day yet again). That's just what he says in both the manga and anime.