How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Nov 02, 2016 3:58 pm

Have the Omni-King go rouge and just start eliminating everyone in his path.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Ozotto » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:48 pm

Maybe a Makaioshin? There supposed to be like the demon equivalent of Kaioshin/ Supreme/ Grand Supreme.
There's the possibility of an entire demonic hierarchy to explore.

Besides that we have an entire multiverse to explore...
God's may not be the dominate species in other universes.

We have other universes God's of destruction and angels.

We also have that multiverse tournament that Omni King wants to do eventually... Could get more guys like Hit.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:05 pm

Having to fight Zeno after he takes a sip of some Red Bull?

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:25 pm

I imagine Gowasu will give Gokuu and Vegeta a special Potara that allows them to willingly return to being separate individuals. This way Vegetto can be used regularly and the merger can be done with a BANK animation.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by WhatsUpPigeons » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:58 pm

I always wanted to see a rival race to the saiyans, one that can compare in terms of abilities, strength, personality etc. with their own transformations. No particular villain but maybe a competition between Goku Vegeta against a bully-race. Maybe they can even gain a new ally!
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Cipher » Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:59 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I imagine Gowasu will give Gokuu and Vegeta a special Potara that allows them to willingly return to being separate individuals. This way Vegetto can be used regularly and the merger can be done with a BANK animation.
"Vegeta, people have been disappearing at the arcade!"
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by ShadowBardock89 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:11 am

I think the next villain/threat will come from one of the universes that have not been featured, yet.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:19 am

There's one hypothetical villain that can easily top pretty much anyone: Present Cell, if he survived and was re-engineered by another evil scientist to have the DNA/cells/data (what was it?) of all the beings that have walked the Earth since the end of the Cell saga (i.e. Dabura, Babidi, Majin Buu, Beerus, Whis, Black, Golden Frieza, etc.) and begin life in his perfect form.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by gofishus » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:45 am

The titles of the next episodes have already been leaked. Vegetto will show up, fail to defeat Zamasu, then Zeno will come and defeat him.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:43 am

Cipher wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:I imagine Gowasu will give Gokuu and Vegeta a special Potara that allows them to willingly return to being separate individuals. This way Vegetto can be used regularly and the merger can be done with a BANK animation.
"Vegeta, people have been disappearing at the arcade!"
"Hm, very mysterious. All right. Let's meet up tonight and investigate."

*Puar opens secret base under the arcade*
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Terra-jin » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:34 am

A villain that would start out weak, but over the course of the arc finds ways to increase his strength, or to defeat the z-senshi in sneaky ways, or succeeding in turning some of them into allies. Perhaps an Earthling, or someone of a weak, unimportant race, who has an extremely strong fighting spirit and accomplishes his goals through sheer craftiness and deviousness. It'd make a nice break from inexplicably strong villains.

I'm not saying that existing villains haven't been crafty or devious, but someone who primarily relies on those traits and not so much on strength could be cool.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by HeroR » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:43 am

Terra-jin wrote:A villain that would start out weak, but over the course of the arc finds ways to increase his strength, or to defeat the z-senshi in sneaky ways, or succeeding in turning some of them into allies. Perhaps an Earthling, or someone of a weak, unimportant race, who has an extremely strong fighting spirit and accomplishes his goals through sheer craftiness and deviousness. It'd make a nice break from inexplicably strong villains.

I'm not saying that existing villains haven't been crafty or devious, but someone who primarily relies on those traits and not so much on strength could be cool.
There have been several villains who started out fairly weak and got stronger through being sneaky. We got Cell, Buu to an extent, and even Black.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Bullza » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:10 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Have the Omni-King go rouge and just start eliminating everyone in his path.
I could see Zeno being the final villain of the series.

I know they've had seemingly unbeatable opponents be topped before like Frieza and Buu and Beerus but what more can they do after Zeno? If he can destroy all of existence in the blink of an eye then how can you top that?

He'd have to transform though because I still don't care for his character design.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by dragonballgeek » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:29 pm

I don't think merged Zamasu is going to be nearly as strong as Veggeto. I think the problem will be that he's immortal. Not stronger. So I don't get why everyone is freaking out about Goku and Vegeta not being able to keep up with the new villains without fusion.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Bullza » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:42 pm

Didn't the preview say that Goku and Vegeta can't even get near Merged Zamasu let alone attack him? Seems like he's much stronger to me. In the preview he's got all three on the floor.

With how strong the two are individually anyway they should be vastly more powerful than them.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:15 pm

We can still have powerful and deadly villains. Not every villain needs to be stronger than the last one to be a threat. Why does want ABC logic for villains in the series (Person A being stronger than Person B).
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by HeroR » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:28 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:We can still have powerful and deadly villains. Not every villain needs to be stronger than the last one to be a threat. Why does want ABC logic for villains in the series (Person A being stronger than Person B).
Because the heroes in general become stronger. Dabura was about as strong as Super Perfect Cell and Goku and Vegeta treated him as a joke. In the 2008 special, an enemy of Freeza's level was literally kid fodder. Even someone of Super Buu's level who absorbed Gohan wouldn't pushed Goku and Vegeta anymore.
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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by dragonballgeek » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:24 am

Bullza wrote:Didn't the preview say that Goku and Vegeta can't even get near Merged Zamasu let alone attack him? Seems like he's much stronger to me. In the preview he's got all three on the floor.

With how strong the two are individually anyway they should be vastly more powerful than them.
Stronger than Veggeto??? I highly doubt that.

Both Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Zamasu (should be at least... idk why they have him going toe to toe with them..) the only tricky thing is that he's immortal. Doesn't matter how strong you are when fighting someone who can't die.

Black? It's questionable. While I would love to say that Vegeta surpassed him, it looked like his strength hit new heights when he got his scythe. So strength wise, Goku and Vegeta fused should definitely be stronger than Zamasu and Black.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Bullza » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:23 am

Not every villain needs to be stronger than the last one to be a threat. Why does want ABC logic for villains in the series (Person A being stronger than Person B).
It's a proven formula that's worked for 30 years. I can't see them moving away from it. I think people like the general progression that the series gets with each villain surpassing the next.

I genuinely think if Toriyama said the villain in the next arc he was doing was going to be weaker than Black that the interest would wane.
Stronger than Veggeto??? I highly doubt that.
He likely won't be stronger than Vegito as usually the newest form is the stronger one. I just hope there's an actual fight to be had with them.

Between the fusion of Goku and Vegeta one shotting Janemba and making a complete fool out of Buu and Omega Shenron we haven't had a good fight out of it yet.

If we don't get a good somewhat evenly matched fight between these two fusion power houses I'll be disappointed. I do not want to see SSJB Vegito man handling Merged Zamasu.

I want to see him having to really give it his all for once, a true Battle of Fused Gods.

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Re: How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:42 pm

See it's as I feared. Merged Zamasu is able to fight on par with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito, you see him get hit by a Kamehameha and fly out of it.

Well this isn't the final saga. So how are they going to have villains even more powerful still as is what the series has been doing for like 30 years but then have it so Goku and Vegeta can still fight them separately?

It'd mean they'd have to fuse all the time and that'll never happen.

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