So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Freezerbaby » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:54 pm

My ranking leaving aside DB arcs:

-Freeza
-Saiyans
-Baby
-Cell
-Boo
-future trunks
-Shadow dragons

In order to rank the other arcs I would have to think about them in depth again

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by phattangent » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:58 pm

I liked it about as much as I liked the Frieza Arc. Could have used more Zenchan, though.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:27 pm

Better than anything from DB and GT. My top:

1- Saiyan arc
2- Buu arc
3- Future Trunks arc
4- Freeza arc
5- Androids arc
6- Piccolo Daimao arc
7- Baby arc (filler)
8- Champa arc
9- Battle of Gods arc
10- 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai
11- 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai
12- Other World Tournament arc (filler)
13- Garlic Jr. arc (filler)
14- Revival of F arc
15- Super C17 arc (filler)
16- Evil Dragons arc (filler)
17- Black Star Dragon Balls arc (filler)
18- 21st Tenkachi Budokai
19- Uranai Baba arc
20- Red Ribbon Army arc
21- Pilaf arc
22- Solo Training arc (filler)
23- Heavenly Training arc (filler)
24- Potaufeu arc (filler)
25- Fake Namek arc (filler)
26- Wedding Dress arc (filler)
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by MajinMan » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:58 pm

I'll give it a solid 8/10. The asspull Trunks Genki Dama was pretty stupid, but I would consider nothing else in this arc (other than episode 64) bad. The Vegetto retcon is being nitpicked to death and I like the new explanation a hell of a lot more than "bad air." Compared to every single arc in the series (not counting filler arcs), I would probably put it top 10. Off the top of my head, my personal rankings would go:

1. Majin Buu arc
2. 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
3. Saiyan arc
4. 21st Tenkaichi Budokai arc
5. Piccolo Daimao arc
6. Freeza arc
7. 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc
8. Future Trunks arc
9. Red Ribbon Army arc
10. Baby arc
11. Champa arc
12. Hunt for the Dragon Balls arc
13. Battle of Gods arc
14. Cell arc
15. Evil Dragon arc
16. Dark Dragon Ball arc
17. Resurrection F arc
18. Super 17 arc
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Saiyan007 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:58 pm

Easily the best arc in the franchise with Goku Black & Zamasu being the best villains of course

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Boo Machine » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:11 pm

This Arc had the makings of One of the best right there in it, but it felt like someone was leaning on the fast forward button some of the time. Missing some build up to certain things and not expanding on others. However I still love this arc to death. It was a fantastic Spectacle and it checks all of my boxes when it comes to what I want out of my Dragonball.

I would put this arc above arcs like the ones from GT, the others from Super, and stuff like the RR army and the Cell arc.

But below others like the Buu , Saiyan, and the 22nd and 23rd Budokai arcs.

It's up there for me, but not TOO high.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by sintzu » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:22 pm

Boo Machine wrote:This Arc had the makings of One of the best right there in it, but it felt like someone was leaning on the fast forward button some of the time. Missing some build up to certain things and not expanding on others.
One missed opportunity was showing Black and Zamasu destroying planets and killing people while they waited for Goku and Vegeta, one of the good things the BOG arc did with Beerus was showing him do his job and I wish we got that instead of them just sitting around.

Although they made some plot choices I don't agree with, I still think it's a really good arc and I can finally say that Super has a standout arc that justifies it's existence.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by SaiyanZ » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:45 pm

Going by the anime version, its one of the worst arcs in the series imo. I'd probably rate it above the Revival of F arc but definitely not over any arc in the original manga, not even the Pilaf arc. Compared to GT, I can't say since its been a long time since I watched GT and I'm due for a rewatch. Based on me religiously following Herms's tweets on the episdoes though, I guess I'd put it above Super 17 arc at the very least.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:22 pm

Well the arc is over. I like the Future Trunks saga over anything in GT, the Buu saga and maybe the Cell saga.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:26 pm

Considering how poorly put together this arc was, I can't rate it highly. No matter how much I loved the mystery of it all, no matter how much I loved the concepts, the music, the designs. No matter how much I love those things, the narrative and production just doesn't hold up well enough to make up for it all.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by precita » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:31 pm

It was a great arc, but its not better than any of DBZ's 4 main arcs.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by WittyUsername » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:31 pm

As of now, my verdict on it is that it was decent. The convoluted time-travel stuff was a bit annoying (truth be told, I'm not a fan of time travel plots in general, hence why the Cell arc wasn't really an arc I was overly fond of), and the ending felt kind of anti-climactic, but it was fine enough. I liked Zamasu as a villain for the most part, but the last few episodes with him kind of made him seem a bit pathetic, and I didn't care for the Pilaf gang's antics, or the fact that they made Mai an important character/love interest for Future Trunks. That just felt really forced.

On the plus side, the arc had some good tension and some good fights.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:03 am

Still the best arc in all of the Dragon Ball franchise.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by KidGokuDB » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:12 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Still the best arc in all of the Dragon Ball franchise.
Meh, give me King Piccolo over that any day. This ranks next to the GT ones for myself.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:07 am

Lord Beerus wrote:Still the best arc in all of the Dragon Ball franchise.
Agreed. The mystery and tensions in this arc were second to none.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by bleed0range » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:03 pm

It was a very good arc with an awful ending. If the storytelling wasn't such a mess I'd say it was or f the st but the last few episodes really were a letdown for me.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Draconic » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:51 pm

So now that the arc is over I guess it's time to give my final thoughts on it and I guess this is the best thread for it.

As a whole it was very good. The first half of it especially was downright excellent: Bulma's death, Zamasu's development, the moments between Vegeta and Trunks, Black's whole characterization, the mystery element and Beerus killing Zamasu are some of the best parts in any Dragon Ball story.

The fights for the most part were very good troughout the whole arc, with Trunks vs Black at the cabin, Goku and Trunks vs Rose Black and Zamasu, Vegeta's rematch against Black and Vegetto vs Merged Zamasu and Goku's angry beatdown of both villains being the highlights.

The character utilization was also very well done, with Bulma, Mai, Beerus and Whis having major roles, while characters like Kid Trunks, Yajirobe and Kaioshin also getting some stuff to do. While Goku and Vegeta still did the most fighting, their role wasn't much more than muscle, while they took a backseat in favor of Trunks. Even so, Goku still managed to retain the feeling of importance, jumpstarting Zamasu's eveil ways, which was important when one of the main villains wore his body for the arc, but the themes of the story was centered around Trunks and that was good.

Zamasu also managed to climb rapidly to the top of best villains. Present Zamasu was very well utilized to showcase the character's main gripes and motives for evil, Goku Black incorporated his respect but also contempt for Goku and humans in general, while Future Zamasu existed to clear what his pure character is, without Goku's traits that Black possesed. For all that to take place in a mere 20 episodes is incredible for me, especially in the context of the arc taking place in something like Super, which played mostlyeverything safe until that point.

However, the main problems the arc suffers from is in how they tried to keep Trunks relevant fighting wise. As this was his arc first and foremost, it's understandable the writers wanted that, but how they went about it was sub par, to say the least. Him getting a transformation out of nowhere, explained trough the concept of rage was very poor. Rage for me is the worst way progression could be done, which is why, even for all of SSBlue's shortcomings, I still accept it as it is something interesting. The form looked cool, the first transformation scene was great and it was part of some very good moments, but the fact the reason for it's exitence is so poor I can't help but criticize it.
Outside of that form, we have the problem of the Genki Dama scene, which is, as many called it, a huge asspull. The intention behind it is very good, as having the strike which destroys Zamasu's body be an attack representing all the mortals he so despised is a fitting end for him. The moment had build up, as almost everyother episode we had the two kids proclaim their hope in Trunks, but it came short of actually explaining the ability of the character to use it. Thematically I applaud the writers for the intention, but the execution came short.
How I would have fixed those problems is instead of Trunks' form being achieved trough rage, I would have replaced it with Vegeta proposing the God ritual to him after their sparring session. Then you replace FTrunks' and Kid Trunks' little squabble with Kid Trunks being jealous of his future self for getting this much attention. The two would eventually have a heart to heart, with the Future one complimenting the kid's strength, much higher than his at the same age and making him promise he will continue training to surpass him so that a similar future doesn't befall this timeline too. The time limit would end during the trip to the future, but Trunks would have kept the power inside him, much like Goku and his Rage form would just be SSJ2 using God ki. You don't even have to change the design!
For the Genki Dama, I would have proposed that after Trunks' and Kaioshin's battle with Dabura, Majin Buu would get revived. Without knowing of fusion and SSJ3 being way to hard to achieve so quickly, Kaioshin would take Trunks to Kaio in the afterlife, where he would learn the technique and finish Majin Buu with it, establishing that he knows it, so when the time comes for him to use it againts Zamasu it wouldn't come out of nowhere.

EDIT: Shit! Forgot the actual ending! The fact that the characters lost is new and refreshing. I love Trunks being sad that he faild to protect his timeline, but chose not to sulk over it and just went with Whis' and Mai's proposal to continue living in another timeline similar to their own. It's bittersweet, but encompases Trunks' character that no matter what befalls him he will find a way to keep on going.
Also, Zamasu being eventually erased by the Zuno is poetic justice. After all his speeches of gods being superior to everyone, having his end come by the hand of the highest one is the ultimate irony if you think about it.

All in all, outside of the problems with keeping Trunks relevant, as the whole arc has been built on his reappearence, I think mostly everything else was done very good. My ranking is:

1. Saiyan
2. Piccolo (includes both Daimao and the 23rd Budokai)
3. Freeza
4. Future Trunks
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by Cipher » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:24 pm

Draconic wrote:Also, Zamasu being eventually erased by the Zuno is poetic justice. After all his speeches of gods being superior to everyone, having his end come by the hand of the highest one is the ultimate irony if you think about it.
That's true, huh?

He really gets his comeuppance in a couple of ways. His corporeal form is defeated by a human. His ethereal form is defeated by the highest god showing up and finding him irritating -- he gets blown away without a second thought from a capricious god, just as he argued the fate of humans should be. It's a pretty thorough rejection.

I love the way it played out though, with the high cost of victory and his literally becoming the universe before it's erased. It isn't just Zamasu; Zenou shows up and deems the world he envisioned and has literally become part of distasteful.

The Zenou ending sounded so dreadful in theory, and wound up being so good and unexpected in execution.

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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by omaro34 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:28 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
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ekrolo2 wrote:At absolute most, I rank it somewhere close to the Boo arc, it's all a crock of nonsensical horseshit but there were a few things executed well enough for me to keep it above the worst of the worst like the BoG, F and Cell arcs.
Wait, why is the Cell arc worse than the Buu arc? out of curiosity of course, this is actually the first time i see this rank.
Pretty much nothing works in the Cell arc for me. The setup is completely contrived as Future Trunks' timeline can't stay a desolate wasteland unless you make every dead fighter lazy and/or a prick. The much hyped Android's aren't threatening in the least save for Cell who's whole character becomes a shittier Younger Toguro once he attains Perfection. Gohan taking over for Goku literally comes out of nowhere with no proper build up, as does Gohan's sudden genre savviness and lack of fighting spirit. Most of the fights are boring as piss, save for Goku vs Cell and if it wasn't for the start of Vegeta's development right at the end, there'd be nothing of value in that arc whatsoever.

The Boo arc is a whole load of nonsense and bullshit too, but the developments of Vegeta, Mister Satan, and Majin Boo are too good to ignore and certainly make the Boo arc a couple notches above the Cell one.
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Re: So how does the Future Trunks arc stand in comparison to every other arc?

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:32 pm

omaro34 wrote:Wait a minute, Piccolo vs 17 wasn't a good fight to you? Most rank that fight very high. Just curious because you said the fights in the Cell arc were boring.
All I remember from it is a lot of cool looking but repetitive gut punches. Not that I don't dig that stuff but TFS pretty much summed the whole thing up that little bit.

The only fight I actually like from the Cell Arc is Goku vs Cell, mostly because it's a fairly even fight. It helps that Studio Cockpit animated a lot of it, making it looks awesome as all hell.
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