Name some great moments in this arc

[Dbzfan94]

Next time read the comment and avoid insulting others.

Wasn't an insult, but whatever. I'm just saying you're making some big assumptions if you think the only people who disliked the episode are little kids.

[Mazingerdestro]

No that's not accurate. I am an adult and I had no issue with the episode. Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode.
Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense. However, saying "I want more" or just complaining for silly stuff doesn't mean you didn't enjoy something. Yes I understand the nowadays mentality "everything is awful in animation unless you talk about OPM" but really? There are people who didn't enjoy it?
There are really people complaining?

You're also making some serious assumptions if you think the only people who can possibly dislike Super are those who hate anything that's not One Punch Man, speaking as one such person who hates Super's anime, I've only read OPM in its manga form and have only seen some clips of the anime here and there.
If cool shit happening for you is okay, then sure, enjoy the cool shit. I like for my cool shit to actually make sense too, but clearly I'm a nut job for wanting Dragon Ball to actually be good instead of occasionally entertaining trash.

"You're also making some serious assumptions if you think the only people who can possibly dislike Super are those who hate anything that's not One Punch Man"
I never said only but yes there is a large part of the anime fandom that scale everything using OPM.

"If cool shit happening for you is okay, then sure, enjoy the cool shit. I like for my cool shit to actually make sense too, but clearly I'm a nut job for wanting Dragon Ball to actually be good instead of occasionally entertaining trash"
I do not consider this episode "cool shit happening" it was great by many aspects and no I won't call this episode "entertaining trash". It would be great if you could explain why the episode was trash and even give an example of a good episode in Super compare to that.

[Hit!!]

Next thing you know, Goku says in the next episode "i was doing the henki dama for you, to help you defeat Zamasu" and everybody is happily ever after.

[dbs fanboy]

Next thing you know, Goku says in the next episode "i was doing the henki dama for you, to help you defeat Zamasu" and everybody is happily ever after.

That won't probably happen, but anyway, i'm still going to pray to Cell, i might get lucky.

[Lord Beerus]

But I thought the episode was great. The people bashing it are either:

1) Upset Vegito fanboys who feel he didn't get enough focus

2) People who see Trunks as a Mary Sue, completely overlooking the fact that Vegito tired Zamasu out, then Goku/Vegeta channeled their energy to Trunks as well as the planet, then Trunks used his power to finish him off.



Don't go to reddit, youtube, twitter, or any other Dragonball related forum. People there are having mental breakdowns.

Pretty much this.

I really don't see anything majorly offensive about the episode at all. I thought it was a perfect finale to what was already a great arc.

[Lujin_16]

People who say this episode was bad are hardcore Vegetto fans..This Episode was one of the best episodes in the franchise >>Animation,Fights,Soundtrack 10/10

[FTW395]

Pre-crisis Trunks and Goku went from evenly matching Zamasu/Goku Black to evenly matching Merged Zamasu, because plot demanded it. Merged Zamasu was a joke, nothing he showed made him look as strong as he was supposed to be. Gowasu is literally the most useless character ever, only being there to give Vegeta and Goku the potaras only for them to seperate after 6 minutes. Could've easily gone with Gogeta and just leave Gowasu out of it entirely. The spirit bomb was a cheap way of getting yet another thing from the original Dragonball and putting it in Super, staff has 0 imagination and refuses to come up with anything new.

Yeah, this episode did more wrong than good story-wise, but hey it looked good so who cares, right?

[Mazingerdestro]

Pre-crisis Trunks and Goku went from evenly matching Zamasu/Goku Black to evenly matching Merged Zamasu, because plot demanded it. Merged Zamasu was a joke, nothing he showed made him look as strong as he was supposed to be. Gowasu is literally the most useless character ever, only being there to give Vegeta and Goku the potaras only for them to seperate after 6 minutes. Could've easily gone with Gogeta and just leave Gowasu out of it entirely. The spirit bomb was a cheap way of getting yet another thing from the original Dragonball and putting it in Super, staff has 0 imagination and refuses to come up with anything new.

Yeah, this episode did more wrong than good story-wise, but hey it looked good so who cares, right?

I don't think Goku or Trunks ever reached Merged Zamasu's power level.
Merged Zamasu had suffered 2 galick guns, multiple attacks, a large kamehameha, and a kaioken attack. Additionally, he was in a psychological sock. Of course let's not forget been Vegetto's punching bag for at least 10+ minutes. I don't think he was even at 50% at that point.
On the other hand Trunks was confident, he got the power from 2 ssjblue full powered characters as well as the whole planet.
I don't see why this isn't enough.

Also the fact that people call it "spirit bomb sword" doesn't mean that this was a spirit bomb. It's just how people interpret it.
The Vegetto retcon is not even a retcon if we think about it. We never got an official explanation why Vegetto was split, except "because of the gas in Boo's body".

Yes Gogeta would have solved these fusion issues but the episode has no issues story-wise. It didn't create any plot holes or anything. Gowasu as well as Supreme Kai were there to deliver exposition and plot items. It was pretty clear when we saw them that they would assist the characters in making Vegetto. Also Gowasu's monologue about Zamasu was a pretty good moment. Seen a proud God turning to a monster. Basically explaining that Zamasu in the end achieved nothing. He got stronger only to become a worse monster than the "filthy babarians" he so much hated. Let's not forget that Super gave people what they asked for. They said "we need an arc where Goku and Vegeta don't give the finishing blow" and that's what happened. Toei delivered and the final result was excellent. This is a high point for a series that it is still hated by some for the animation delivered in episode 5

[Fishman]

This is a high point for a series that it is still hated by some for the animation delivered in episode 5

There are more people who hate it based on the rock bottom quality of its stories than there are people who hate it because of episode 5.

[FTW395]

Vegeta/Trunks and Goku shouldn't have been able to push Zamasu's blast back, period. It's stupid and makes merged Zamasu look weak.

[Mazingerdestro]

This is a high point for a series that it is still hated by some for the animation delivered in episode 5

There are more people who hate it based on the rock bottom quality of its stories than there are people who hate it because of episode 5.

Why even watch a series that you call rock bottom? (why people who call super rock bottom, even come to kanzenshuu? The heart of dbs) It's not like something will change. Toriyama is giving the story. There are no excuses. If you don't like it now, you will never like it.

[Fishman]

Toriyama is giving the story. There are no excuses. If you don't like it now, you will never like it.

And George Lucas made the Star Wars prequels. The parallels are uncanny.

[Mazingerdestro]

Toriyama is giving the story. There are no excuses. If you don't like it now, you will never like it.

And George Lucas made the Star Wars prequels. The parallels are uncanny.

You do release that this comparison makes no sense. The difference is that Lucas never had made something good on it's own. He had a vision yes but the final result wasn't what he planned. It's not like Toriyama wrote db and then someone came and said "no no no we need to change everything". Especially if we consider that Lucas' most successful films were heavily edited due to been huge messes and literally the best film "empire strikes back" was the one he had less control. In Toriyama's case, what you see is what you get. If you don't like it, believe me, it won't get any better.

[Hakaishin Saitama]

Way too much complaining going on in these forums the past day... at any rate (might not be in order):

1) Black's ominous intro
2) Black's mysterious allusions to who he is (or isn't)
3) Black vs. Goku R1
4) Zamasu turning evil (and rose petals)
5) Gawasu being the tea lover that he is
6) Black kicking Vegeta's ass and calling him an appetizer
7) Super Saiyan Rose transformation and speech
Black's speeches
9) Black making fun of Zamasu for pontificating and being ignored while doing so
10) Goku beating the crap out of Zamasu and Black
11) Black in general being a sadomasochist - I found it funny, fresh
12) Beerus destroying present Zamasu
13) Vegetto owning Merged Zamasu and in general how Vegetto lectures, identifies, and points out opponent's shortcomings, weaknesses
14) More, but I really enjoyed Black being a villain - the better of the Zamasus for sure.

EDIT: How could I possible forget Vegeta beating the crap out of Black and lecturing him on it?

[PsionicWarrior]

There has definitely been many great moments in this arc, I will watch it all again when it's over and surely post my positive in this thread

[PsionicWarrior]

Turned out I was too lazy while rewatching so let's just say I wanted to relax lol
I postpone this until next time, I did do a small GIF though of my favorite fight scene lol



Seriously that's some damn good work lol

[Kanassa]

''You took my body... Killed ChiChi and Goten... I... I WON'T FORGIVE YOU!"

"I just wanted to save my future, to help everyone, s they didn;t have to go through what I had to... If that's a sin, THEN I DON'T CARE"

*The whole Gohan episode*

*Zamasu going on a rant about Ningen, Vegetto punches him in the face*

*Trunks slicing Zamasu up, dick first*

Just to name a few.

[SaiyanGod117]

Goku Black stabbing Vegeta really liked that moment and his lines that came with it, the metaphors were nice.

[sintzu]

EP66 changing established facts for no reason hurt the arc a bit for me.

After thinking about it for a bit, it didn't, and yesterday's episode made up for what little that was wrong with the arc.

Overall, the arc doesn't just have great moments, it's overall a great arc in general, both as a Super arc and a DB arc.

[SaiyanGod117]

EP66 changing established facts for no reason hurt the arc a bit for me.

After thinking about it for a bit, it didn't, and yesterday's episode made up for what little that was wrong with the arc.

Overall, the arc doesn't just have great moments, it's overall a great arc in general, both as a Super arc and a DB arc.

The arc is good, but still I can't get over the fact of how poorly written it was, I'm hoping the next arc improves in that department.