Does anyone want a Trunks series?

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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by Faisal Shourov » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:57 pm

I want Trunks to die. The amount of asspull power up he's gotten is cringe worthy. Nakama power isn't cool, it's retarded and poor story telling
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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by Kanassa » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:13 pm

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He shouldn't have been introduced in the first place.

Android arc was a mistake.
I flip flop on this but yeah, I feel like if you just dropped the whole time travel premise, the Android arc would work significantly better.
Now that I think about it, if you take out all the time travel elements, the only change is that the events proceed faster and the Z fighters not knowing that that Androids would attack before hand. Trunks didn't really do anything in that arc aside from cut up Frieza...
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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by emi_b7 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:16 am

Man, the Trunks hate is real!
To answer the question, no, I wouldn't want a Trunks series. I don't even want him to appear in Super again, not because I don't like him or anything, I just thing he should be given some closure and we should advance in time and have present Trunks as an adult.
A Trunks-Kaioshin vs Babidi/Dabura special could be neat though
Kanassa wrote: Now that I think about it, if you take out all the time travel elements, the only change is that the events proceed faster and the Z fighters not knowing that that Androids would attack before hand. Trunks didn't really do anything in that arc aside from cut up Frieza...
He was also the reason Cell appeared and he was a medium to give Vegeta, who was pretty much still a villian, some development towards being a good guy. But yeah, you could easily change those things in a way that makes sense and advances the plot, so your point stands.
I'm not a fan of time travel either.

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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:48 pm

Kanassa wrote:Now that I think about it, if you take out all the time travel elements, the only change is that the events proceed faster and the Z fighters not knowing that that Androids would attack before hand. Trunks didn't really do anything in that arc aside from cut up Frieza...
I've been thinking this for ages now: Future Trunks didn't need to exist.

Hell, I'd say the Android arc would've been better if he didn't give everyone a heads up. You wouldn't have a bunch of contrivances just to set the story up character wise, you'd have some genuine mystery surrounding the Androids and with the cast, for the most part, choosing to relax instead of train, you'd create a greal deal of tension. Though I like Trunks' pragmatism, his inclusion is nothing but a detriment to the Android stuff.
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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by Kanassa » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:50 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
Kanassa wrote:Now that I think about it, if you take out all the time travel elements, the only change is that the events proceed faster and the Z fighters not knowing that that Androids would attack before hand. Trunks didn't really do anything in that arc aside from cut up Frieza...
I've been thinking this for ages now: Future Trunks didn't need to exist.

Hell, I'd say the Android arc would've been better if he didn't give everyone a heads up. You wouldn't have a bunch of contrivances just to set the story up character wise, you'd have some genuine mystery surrounding the Androids and with the cast, for the most part, choosing to relax instead of train, you'd create a greal deal of tension. Though I like Trunks' pragmatism, his inclusion is nothing but a detriment to the Android stuff.
I'm guessing before the alleged editor interruption time travel was probably going to play a bigger part before Toriyama just went 'Fuck it'
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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:53 pm

Kanassa wrote:I'm guessing before the alleged editor interruption time travel was probably going to play a bigger part before Toriyama just went 'Fuck it'
I believe the editorial mandates only started coming in when the designs for 19 and 20 came in, they were supposed to be the Androids in both the main and alternate timelines with the others not existing. Toriyama's actual comments about the story were that if Goku and co. just beat the ruler of the universe, then the other enemies had to transcend time or some such.

Not a bad idea but.... Trunk's inclusion really causes the VAST majority of contrivances to happen for the Android arc. You can very easily have most of that story happen without him and nothing would really change.
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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by TheMikado » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:03 pm

I disagree, I feel like Trunks as a time traveler made the appropriate decisions in only intervening if and when he felt he had to. That seems like a very logical thing for a time traveler to do.

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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by TheBritWriter » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:03 pm

I say yes, I've been suspecting that this arc was to also test the waters to see if Trunks can add to the franchise (a side story, xenoverse games etc) I would welcome a side series because he is quite likeable, but this side series will need to develop better supporting characters.

In relation to "but Trunks keeps pulling absurd powerups etc" That's true but how is it anyone can match Goku and Vegeta without doing this unless their a new character? Honestly I have more issue with about the number of frequent times of time travel then absurd power boosts, Gohan is one of the worst offenders in that regard. Either way it's happened and one plus is that the tier list (for now) is more balanced. If it means throwing in a last moment power up then so be it, but it shouldn't be about that I think Future Trunks would work with a lot of 'slice of life episodes'

We had a history of Trunks, xenoverse/time patrollers I think it would make sense (If planned right) to give him his own series and expand the franchise where can be not as dependent on Goku.

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Re: Does anyone want a Trunks series?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:08 pm

Bullza wrote:I know right, people jump on bandwagons incredibly quickly these days. Just last week it was a fantastic arc and people were loving it, one of the best arcs ever with one of the best villains ever people were saying. Now because one of extra ass pull on top of all the others which people didn't really have too much of a problem before it's turned the arc to complete shit! Trunks sucks! He's a Gary Stu! Ass pull! Retcon! I never even liked Zamasu anyway, this arc was overated!
Well basically a bad ending can ruin even the best build up to a potentially good story. This is not new to movies or Shounen anime. There was no bandwagon to this arc, prior to episode 66 it was fairly good but the Trunks' plot armour just got way out of hand.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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