Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Terez » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:36 am

MaxZ wrote:I wouldn't really pay the interviews much mind

Toryiama likely forgot every detail of them 5 minutes after they concluded

Zamasu is clearly male, Beerus is clearly male, Whis is clearly male, Vados is clearly female, etc.
I learned a new word usage in the r/dbz discord yesterday: "trap". Seems to play into common stereotypes about transgendered individuals (i.e. they all want to trick you into thinking they're the opposite sex, and then surprise buttsex or something) but I think it's fair to say that apparent gender is not associated with biological sex 100% of the time.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Majin Jator » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:47 am

Alruneia wrote:
Majin Jator wrote:They're Zamazu-sexual.

By the way, I think we can drop the "kai are sexless" theory. That was never stated in the series, and is now contradicted. Unless you believe that the Grand Priest birthed Whiz and Vados puking an egg, which is a legitimate via of reproduction in the DB universe.
The attendants are angels, not Kais. You can't say that any more than you can say saiyans are genderless because namekians are born through asexual reproduction.

True enough, Kai's gender, or lack of, is neither confirmed or contradicted. The Magic Tree backstory is, thou, at least to an extent, since it was stated that kais were born from "regular" fruits and supreme kais from the golden ones; and yet zamasu was first a north kai and was latter choosen as a succesor for Gowasu.
(Point being that stuff only told in interviews cannot be taken as canon).

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by MaxZ » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:20 pm

Terez wrote:
MaxZ wrote:I wouldn't really pay the interviews much mind

Toryiama likely forgot every detail of them 5 minutes after they concluded

Zamasu is clearly male, Beerus is clearly male, Whis is clearly male, Vados is clearly female, etc.
I learned a new word usage in the r/dbz discord yesterday: "trap". Seems to play into common stereotypes about transgendered individuals (i.e. they all want to trick you into thinking they're the opposite sex, and then surprise buttsex or something) but I think it's fair to say that apparent gender is not associated with biological sex 100% of the time.
transgender people do not 'pretend' to be a gender so they can 'surprise buttsex' people.

I'd highly recommend you not to use the word 'trap' to describe transgenders again, as it is a disparaging remark similar to calling a gay person the f word or a black person the n word.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Terez » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:23 pm

MaxZ wrote:
Terez wrote:
MaxZ wrote:I wouldn't really pay the interviews much mind

Toryiama likely forgot every detail of them 5 minutes after they concluded

Zamasu is clearly male, Beerus is clearly male, Whis is clearly male, Vados is clearly female, etc.
I learned a new word usage in the r/dbz discord yesterday: "trap". Seems to play into common stereotypes about transgendered individuals (i.e. they all want to trick you into thinking they're the opposite sex, and then surprise buttsex or something) but I think it's fair to say that apparent gender is not associated with biological sex 100% of the time.
transgender people do not 'pretend' to be a gender so they can 'surprise buttsex' people.

I'd highly recommend you not to use the word 'trap' to describe transgenders again, as it is a disparaging remark similar to calling a gay person the f word or a black person the n word.
I think I made it pretty clear in my post that I agree with you. Not sure why you're taking this out on me.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by MaxZ » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:16 pm

Terez wrote:
MaxZ wrote:
Terez wrote: I learned a new word usage in the r/dbz discord yesterday: "trap". Seems to play into common stereotypes about transgendered individuals (i.e. they all want to trick you into thinking they're the opposite sex, and then surprise buttsex or something) but I think it's fair to say that apparent gender is not associated with biological sex 100% of the time.
transgender people do not 'pretend' to be a gender so they can 'surprise buttsex' people.

I'd highly recommend you not to use the word 'trap' to describe transgenders again, as it is a disparaging remark similar to calling a gay person the f word or a black person the n word.
I think I made it pretty clear in my post that I agree with you. Not sure why you're taking this out on me.
I must have been confused by your wording

my apology.

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Terez » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:19 pm

MaxZ wrote:
Terez wrote:
MaxZ wrote: transgender people do not 'pretend' to be a gender so they can 'surprise buttsex' people.

I'd highly recommend you not to use the word 'trap' to describe transgenders again, as it is a disparaging remark similar to calling a gay person the f word or a black person the n word.
I think I made it pretty clear in my post that I agree with you. Not sure why you're taking this out on me.
I must have been confused by your wording

my apology.
No worries. I was trying to make fun of people who say stuff like that but I guess I failed. (The "trap" thing was all over the chat yesterday and I had to ask people wtf they were talking about.)

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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by ChronoTwigger » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:07 pm

You can't deduct sexual orientation if not by a will driven sexual act or declaration so, as those two are never shown to have sex in those terms or state they're gay, you cannot guess it.
It's a Schroedinger cat case, like any other unstated facts in stories: not true or not false until declaration.
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Re: Are Goku Black and Future Zamasu gay?

Post by Ajay » Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:28 am

Steven Bloodriver wrote: :lol:
I've just had to go through and delete dozens of posts like these. An emote is not a post. A three-word sentence is not a post. If you disagree with someone, then give your reasons why. You're expected to put thought into what you contribute to this forum.

To make matters worse, you posted seven separate posts one after the other when you should be condensing them into a single message. You can quote multiple people in one post, so please do so. If nobody has else posted after you and you feel you have more to add, then please use the edit button. You have two hours after you first make a post to edit things.

It might be a good idea to rereview the forum rules before posting again.

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