Should everyone be trained by Whis for the tournament?

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:18 pm

If they don't want their universe destroyed, sure.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:13 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:If they don't want their universe destroyed, sure.
Toriyama has no excuse to not have them all train. They better get at least 2 months training before the tournament starts.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by Zeru14 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:03 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
GodVegetto91 wrote:If they don't want their universe destroyed, sure.
Toriyama has no excuse to not have them all train. They better get at least 2 months training before the tournament starts.
Unlike the writers of Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, Toriyama has never cared about the whole group continuing to improve or having his characters being logical and take advantage of their training options, take for instance the training time-skip in the Android Saga would've it made more sense for Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu to train as a group, have them ask Kami teleport them over to Other World, travel down Snake Way to North Kai's planet and spend the next 2 and half years there, training in x10 gravity(w/ weighted clothing which North Kai with his magic could probably continue to increase the weight of) for over 2 years and learning Kaioken would've been more beneficial, then training alone on Earth and learning nothing new. Another example is that after the Majin Buu Saga, Tien could ask Bulma to build a small building with a gravity generator on his farm property somewhere and having Tien and Chiaotzu gravity train like Vegeta does and of course Krillin and Yamcha could come over to use it whenever they want.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by PsionicWarrior » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:11 pm

It's ok guys no need to worry, we have Monaka.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:19 pm

You guys do know that the tournament starts on episode 75? and episode 73 and 74 are saiyaman episodes.

And they will just fight people on their level.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by Khin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:00 pm

ChaosLordBrandon wrote:You guys do know that the tournament starts on episode 75? and episode 73 and 74 are saiyaman episodes.
The new arc will start on February 5, 2017, which would be the 77th episode of Super; not the 75th. However, the first episode of the arc won't necessarily be the start of the tournament.

If we're going to get training episodes, it will most likely be couple episodes after the first episode of the arc.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by dragonballgeek » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:00 pm

I'd love for them to train with whis! I think that's necessary given the stakes.


My only problem would be if they pulled some Tagoma crap. Getting the tar beat out of you making you go from Zarbon level to Buu level or something stupid like that..

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by ChaosLordBrandon » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:07 pm

Khin wrote:
ChaosLordBrandon wrote:You guys do know that the tournament starts on episode 75? and episode 73 and 74 are saiyaman episodes.
The new arc will start on February 5, 2017, which would be the 77th episode of Super; not the 75th. However, the first episode of the arc won't necessarily be the start of the tournament.

If we're going to get training episodes, it will most likely be couple episodes after the first episode of the arc.
Oh, thanks for the correction. I thought episode 75 will be the episode where the new arc starts.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by Whis for the tournament?

Post by kinisking » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:54 pm

They should all train with Whis. No reason why God ki should be a full saiyan trait. Seeing Tien as a formidable character when it comes to strength and technique again will give me life.
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Re: Should everyone be trained by Whis for the tournament?

Post by Beyond » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:14 pm

It won't happen. The universe being at stake part will be something they learn the day of the tourny. The likely case is not everyone is god level, but even with that there is a good chance everyone not named Goku, Vegeta, and maybe Gohan get the PIccolo treatment at best. If it does go down like that, it will be salt fallout.

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Re: Should everyone be trained by whis for the tournament?

Post by HeroR » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:14 am

Zeru14 wrote:
Unlike the writers of Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, Toriyama has never cared about the whole group continuing to improve or having his characters being logical and take advantage of their training options, take for instance the training time-skip in the Android Saga would've it made more sense for Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu to train as a group, have them ask Kami teleport them over to Other World, travel down Snake Way to North Kai's planet and spend the next 2 and half years there, training in x10 gravity(w/ weighted clothing which North Kai with his magic could probably continue to increase the weight of) for over 2 years and learning Kaioken would've been more beneficial, then training alone on Earth and learning nothing new. Another example is that after the Majin Buu Saga, Tien could ask Bulma to build a small building with a gravity generator on his farm property somewhere and having Tien and Chiaotzu gravity train like Vegeta does and of course Krillin and Yamcha could come over to use it whenever they want.
Only the dead are allowed the train under King Kai. It isn't something that can be done willy-nilly. Goku only gets a pass because he literally teleports himself to the planet without permission, King Kai rarely wants him there, and he used it as a work out gym. Also Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu already spent months there before they were revived with the Namekian Dragon Balls. Tien and Chiaotzu specifically stood dead for almost a year and they were on King Kai's planet the entire time.

Gravity training also has its limits. You noticed that despite always training in high gravity, Vegeta never got vastly stronger after becoming a Super Saiyan. Goku surpassed him just by training in 10x compared to Vegeta's 150-300x gravity training.
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