The new arc will (may?) settle an old debate: Tenshinhan vs. Kuririn

[VegettoEX]

You're moving the goalpost. I have no idea what those conversations were, and I'm not willing to speculate on them.

[JulianStyles]

Your response is very difficult to understand. I can't be held responsible for you not understanding what the book is and what it contains. The fact that you instead choose to ignore this and call me childish names in fact proves why Kaboom was probably in the right for initially locking the thread.

What you have done is brought in the subject of script. And given that reason enough to ignore what's seen in the movie and series. Yet I'm the one ignoring things?

[JulianStyles]

You're moving the goalpost. I have no idea what those conversations were, and I'm not willing to speculate on them.

OK so let's not sit here and say well script is vague. When we have 2 examples of the same story Arcs happening the same way. That's undeniable.

[DanielSSJ]

I can't really say that I have much new to add to the so-called "debate". Kuririn is stated to be the strongest Earthling in the manga, and a good deal of post-manga supplementary material continues to state this to this day. Tenshinhan's distant alien ancestry is irrelevant, given that the same guide book that details his connection to the Three-Eyed-Tribe still categorizes him as a Human-Type Earthling. Tenshinhan is an Earthling. Kuririn is the strongest Earthling. Therefor, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan.

I can understand why someone would think that Tenshinhan would be stronger. Tenshinhan continues to train diligently where Kuririn has settled down with a family, and he generally makes a more impressive showing in these battles (holding back Semi-Perfect Cell, blocking attacks from Evil Boo, holding out better against Freeza's army, etc.), but circumstantial evidence doesn't supersede direct uncontradicted quotations, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Now, if someone would like a possible in-universe explanation as to why Kuririn maintains his superiority despite the implications, I can help you there.

[ekrolo2]

Super solves no debates, it only makes them worse.

[ChronoTwigger]

You're moving the goalpost. I have no idea what those conversations were, and I'm not willing to speculate on them.

OK so let's not sit here and say well script is vague. When we have 2 examples of the same story Arcs happening the same way. That's undeniable.

I love newbies fight against people that eat, breath and live DB 100 times a day more than you, and translate original material each f. day.
It's just a little pretentious. You don't win anything if Tien is stronger. Tien is not a friend of you, are you aware we're talking of (bad drawn) fictional characters? We are trying to find a clear solution to a question, if have one put it on the table and ACCEPT it could be wrong or could be debated.

My position about is that we don't know, it's impossible to determine, until they fight one against the other in a fair fight.
Until that moment, they could do whatever, one can improve and the other is left behind, then surpass the rival again. And all of their deed are circumstances.
The only thing we know FOR SURE is that enigma was unsolved, or we had a solution years ago.

The debate is open. Accept it.

[JulianStyles]

I can't really say that I have much new to add to the so-called "debate". Kuririn is stated to be the strongest Earthling in the manga, and a good deal of post-manga supplementary material continues to state this to this day. Tenshinhan's distant alien ancestry is irrelevant, given that the same guide book that details his connection to the Three-Eyed-Tribe still categorizes him as a Human-Type Earthling. Tenshinhan is an Earthling. Kuririn is the strongest Earthling. Therefor, Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan.

I can understand why someone would think that Tenshinhan would be stronger. Tenshinhan continues to train diligently where Kuririn has settled down with a family, and he generally makes a more impressive showing in these battles (holding back Semi-Perfect Cell, blocking attacks from Evil Boo, holding out better against Freeza's army, etc.), but circumstantial evidence doesn't supersede direct uncontradicted quotations, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Now, if someone would like a possible in-universe explanation as to why Kuririn maintains his superiority despite the implications, I can help you there.

Daizenshuu never states him as human type but as Earthling. But it states Gohan and Piccolo as Earthlings. I provided a link and other references in my opening post. Now if you can provide a link. Otherwise it's just your word.

And yes please provide an explanation how Krillin has been superior Android saga on. Point some evidence.

[VegettoEX]

I love newbies fight against people that eat, breath and live DB 100 times a day more than you, and translate original material each f. day.

I don't think that's entirely fair. I know a lot, I have access to a lot of things other people don't have, and I'm very lucky to be in the position I'm in, but I don't know everything there is to know. I love learning new things and being exposed to new viewpoints.

Of course, I really like it when it's super cool people that have interesting things to say and want to do so in a friendly way!

[JulianStyles]

You're moving the goalpost. I have no idea what those conversations were, and I'm not willing to speculate on them.

OK so let's not sit here and say well script is vague. When we have 2 examples of the same story Arcs happening the same way. That's undeniable.

I love newbies fight against people that eat, breath and live DB 100 times a day more than you, and translate original material each f. day.
It's just a little pretentious. You don't win anything if Tien is stronger. Tien is not a friend of you, are you aware we're talking of (bad drawn) fictional characters? We are trying to find a clear solution to a question, if have one put it on the table and ACCEPT it could be wrong or could be debated.

My position about is that we don't know, it's impossible to determine, until they fight one against the other in a fair fight.
Until that moment, they could do whatever, one can improve and the other is left behind, then surpass the rival again. And all of their deed are circumstances.
The only thing we know FOR SURE is that enigma was unsolved, or we had a solution years ago.

The debate is open. Accept it.

Just because I'm new this site doesn't mean I'm a newbie to DragonBall. I respect a few things you said. Also you and others should take your own advice. Fans don't know more than people who sit in rooms for years creating dragonball. But fans act if it doesn't come out the mouth of a Akira it's wrong. A pimpled face teenager living with his parents who makes YouTube videoso acts like they know more than people who have worked on the series for 2 decades.

Also this topic was created to show that the next arc has a high chance of settling this debate.

[Kamiccolo9]

Just because I'm new this site doesn't mean I'm a newbie to DragonBall. I respect a few things you said. Also you and others should take your own advice. Fans don't know more than people who sit in rooms for years creating dragonball. But fans act if it doesn't come out the mouth of a Akira it's wrong. A pimpled face teenager living with his parents who makes YouTube videoso acts like they know more than people who have worked on the series for 2 decades.

Also this topic was created to show that the next arc has a high chance of settling this debate.

The words "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling male" literally came out of the mouth of Toriyama. Methinks you protest too much.

[Lord Beerus]

This was never been a debate to even begin with. Toriyama has already stated several times, in instances in the manga and later interviews, that Krillin is the strongest earthling. Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

[JulianStyles]

This was never been a debate to even begin with. Toriyama has already stated several times, in instances in the manga and later interviews, that Krillin is the strongest earthling. Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

Akira has also said Tien is godlike and never acknowledged him as human when asked. If you read my opening post. I showed Tien is a Decendant of Aliens. And Gohan,Goten,Trunks,17 and 18 ARE ALL EARTHLINGS! So the statement refers to pure blooded humans. Because if you want to group Tien with Krillin the the show contradicts that statement.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true.

[JulianStyles]

Just because I'm new this site doesn't mean I'm a newbie to DragonBall. I respect a few things you said. Also you and others should take your own advice. Fans don't know more than people who sit in rooms for years creating dragonball. But fans act if it doesn't come out the mouth of a Akira it's wrong. A pimpled face teenager living with his parents who makes YouTube videoso acts like they know more than people who have worked on the series for 2 decades.

Also this topic was created to show that the next arc has a high chance of settling this debate.

The words "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling male" literally came out of the mouth of Toriyama. Methinks you protest too much.

Gohan,Goten,Trunks are male Earthlings. You cant even debate 17 is a male Earthling. He was born human on Earth, enhanced with human technology. Biologically human enough to have human babies.

Earthling* when spoken with Krillin it needs to have an asterisk. I will keep repeating it over and over. The Daizenshuu labels Gohan under Earthling.

[JulianStyles]

What the Daizenshuu says since people don't want to make an effort to click a link

The Dragon Ball world, where numerous planetary races appear. But in reality, it is not an exaggeration to say that it is a story of the interactions of three types of planetary races. The Saiyans, a fighting race born to battle, the Earthlings, who are a mixture of various races, and the occult Namekkians... The encounters of each of these three distinct races form Dragon Ball's story. Let us proceed with the historic interracial interactions and a biological racial analysis of these three races.

Various Races
In the Dragon Ball world, as described below, a great variety of races exists. Dragon Ball's three great races: Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians. Races that have special abilities: Yardratans, Metamorians. The Triopses, said to be Tenshinhan's ancestors. Nikochanians and Okakaumen who live in Penguin Village. Additionally, in the animation, Tsfruians, Brenchians, Bepperians, Zaltans, Makyouans, Littians, Shirtans, Tubbans, Kanassans, Meatians, Kuunians, Awterians, Aarians, Conuttans, Shamoans, Beansians, Ikondans, the Hella Clan, etc; an extremely large amount of cosmic races who differ in shape appear. We would like you to refer to "Figure 1" for the historical relationships of the Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians.
Earthlings
Earthlings were a race that had absolutely no formal intermingling with other planets. But Namekkians, Saiyans, and Triclopses and such drifted to Earth; races that live as Earthlings like that appear to be scarce. There is also the fact that Saiyans who made Earth their home have offspring with Earthlings. There appears to be a portion of Earthlings who have nothing against accepting other races. And that is no surprise, because Earthlings were originally composed of three types of people that looked nothing alike. Human types, animal types, and monster types are the three. Even among the people of each type, there are many who differ in appearance even more. Because of this, there appears to be a moral in place wherein you do not discriminate against people by form.
The percentages of these three types is in "Figure 2." The human types, who are the greatest in number, exist in various kinds of skin color, hair color, eye color, etc. Also, it is known that human types and Saiyans are able to produce offspring. The next highest in number are the animal types. Animal types consist of various kinds of Earthlings that look nothing alike. This also applies to monster types. It can be presumed that because both animal types and monster types have difficulty producing offspring with those of a different variety from themselves, their populations are gradually decreasing.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm not seeing how a random quote from a Daizenshuu excerpt overrules what Toriyama directly said when asked about this issue in an interview.

[Lord Beerus]

This was never been a debate to even begin with. Toriyama has already stated several times, in instances in the manga and later interviews, that Krillin is the strongest earthling. Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

Akira has also said Tien is godlike and never acknowledged him as human when asked. If you read my opening post. I showed Tien is a Decendant of Aliens. And Gohan,Goten,Trunks,17 and 18 ARE ALL EARTHLINGS! So the statement refers to pure blooded humans. Because if you want to group Tien with Krillin the the show contradicts that statement.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true.

When did Toriyama ever say that Tien is Godlike? Plus, Gohan, Trunks and Goten are also direct offspring of aliens but they're still Earthlings, too.

[Kamiccolo9]

This was never been a debate to even begin with. Toriyama has already stated several times, in instances in the manga and later interviews, that Krillin is the strongest earthling. Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

Akira has also said Tien is godlike and never acknowledged him as human when asked. If you read my opening post. I showed Tien is a Decendant of Aliens. And Gohan,Goten,Trunks,17 and 18 ARE ALL EARTHLINGS! So the statement refers to pure blooded humans. Because if you want to group Tien with Krillin the the show contradicts that statement.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true.

When did Toriyama ever say that Tien is Godlike? Plus, Gohan, Trunks and Goten are also direct offspring of aliens but they're still Earthlings, too.

Why is "Godlike" even that noteworthy of a label here? Two arcs after Tenshinhan was introduced, the big bad ATE God.

[Gog]

What. Debate??? There is no arguing towards this, Krillin is stronger than Tenshinan.
In the DB Tenkaichi Densetsu joint interview with Takao Koyama and Masako Nozawa, while they were talking about android 18, Toriyama said flat out that he was the strongest among the earthlings.
And there isn't any proof that Tenshinan is an alien as such a fact hasn't once been mentioned in the show or vice versa. And even if he was considered apart of the 'three eyed clan' he would still count as an earthling.

[JulianStyles]

What. Debate??? There is no arguing towards this, Krillin is stronger than Tenshinan.
In the DB Tenkaichi Densetsu joint interview with Takao Koyama and Masako Nozawa, while they were talking about android 18, Toriyama said flat out that he was the strongest among the earthlings.
And there isn't any proof that Tenshinan is an alien as such a fact hasn't once been mentioned in the show or vice versa. And even if he was considered apart of the 'three eyed clan' he would still count as an earthling.

And what is 17 if not an Earthling? The debate is because your eyes clearly show Tien. Earthling is a vague term. Daizenshuu the encyclopedia worked on by Akira and his staff says Tien is a Decendant of Aliens. So don't come here acting like it says it no where. It's repeated in his bio in many licenced sources.

[JulianStyles]

This was never been a debate to even begin with. Toriyama has already stated several times, in instances in the manga and later interviews, that Krillin is the strongest earthling. Seems like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.

Akira has also said Tien is godlike and never acknowledged him as human when asked. If you read my opening post. I showed Tien is a Decendant of Aliens. And Gohan,Goten,Trunks,17 and 18 ARE ALL EARTHLINGS! So the statement refers to pure blooded humans. Because if you want to group Tien with Krillin the the show contradicts that statement.

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true.

When did Toriyama ever say that Tien is Godlike? Plus, Gohan, Trunks and Goten are also direct offspring of aliens but they're still Earthlings, too.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/press-archive ... -toriyama/

Eat and wheep. Ask yourself after reading it. Did AiKira say Tien was human? Also you just admitted Gohan and Trunks are Earthlings. Thus solidifying the flaw in the Krillin strongest Earthling statement. Thank you. Because if Krillin isn't stronger than Gohan,Goten,Trunks,17 AND 18 then he's not the strongest Earthling. But strongest pure human Earthling.