Is filler canon(ical)?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Some people are saying there is no "Super filler" but is that actually true? The anime is the source material now, unlike the rest of DB material.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Some people are saying there is no "Super filler" but is that actually true? The anime is the source material now, unlike the rest of DB material.

The anime is the main product, but it's not the source material. Even if it were the source, something having filler material has nothing to do with where the story originates from.

[ABED]

You're splitting hairs.

And you aren't?

Yes, I could've posed the question that way, the point remains the same. You don't have to be a stickler for battle powers to see how the scenario makes no sense.

Here's the thing, though, and do follow me here, it does make sense. It makes a great deal of sense, actually. Freeza's forces invaded and so Gohan, Piccolo, Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Roshi, and Jaco showed up to stop them from doing any serious damage and to stall for Goku and Vegeta. Complaining that Piccolo could have taken them all on and because of that the scenario somehow makes no sense isn't a conversation, it's just you complaining about something that blatantly makes sense and has logic to it.

Yeah, Piccolo could have taken them all on by himself but he wasn't there by himself. That's all there is to it.

I'm not splitting hairs by concentrating on a smaller almost irrelevant point. My big point is not about whether he could stall on his own, it's the battle powers make the story impossible for me to suspend disbelief. That was my big point of contention, not this, although he could stall for time by just doing nothing. Not one of those guys could do any harm to him. They are like ants to him. Piccolo alone could've stopped everyone except Freeza from causing any serious damage because he's so strong, but the movie made it seem like all of the heroes were necessary to do the job. Freeza's number two guy is insanely weak compared to Piccolo and yet he's shown to have a chance?

Some people are saying there is no "Super filler" but is that actually true? The anime is the source material now, unlike the rest of DB material.

Something can be canon and technically still fall into the filler category. It happens on network TV all the time, though generally they are called stand alone episodes.

[Kokonoe]

I like some of the filler, but there are some I really dislike like when Vegeta goes for Final Flash against the Cell Jr's and gets smacked. Just seemed like rather random thing to add and diminishes Final Flash a touch when done in this way.

[GTX]

It would only be considered filler if it's contradicting with the series source of material or contradicting the series plot sequence.

[TheZFighter]

I like some of the filler, but there are some I really dislike like when Vegeta goes for Final Flash against the Cell Jr's and gets smacked. Just seemed like rather random thing to add and diminishes Final Flash a touch when done in this way.

I wouldn't say it "diminished" Final Flash, it just "put over" the Cell Jr.'s and the gravity of the situation.

[ABED]

I like some of the filler, but there are some I really dislike like when Vegeta goes for Final Flash against the Cell Jr's and gets smacked. Just seemed like rather random thing to add and diminishes Final Flash a touch when done in this way.

I wouldn't say it "diminished" Final Flash, it just "put over" the Cell Jr.'s and the gravity of the situation.

That's one way of looking at it, but I agree with the other member. When Vegeta used that attack on Cell, it was gigantic. Vegeta could've destroyed several planets with ease, including Earth had he not aimed properly, and yet Cell Jr. just bats it away like it's nothing.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It would only be considered filler if it's contradicting with the series source of material or contradicting the series plot sequence.

Filler is material that doesn't directly contribute to the central narrative, contradictions don't have anything to do with it.

[GTX]

It would only be considered filler if it's contradicting with the series source of material or contradicting the series plot sequence.

Filler is material that doesn't directly contribute to the central narrative, contradictions don't have anything to do with it.

You're wrong, it cannot be considered filler if it has no contradiction. Contradiction is the one separating filler and not.
If anime adaption deviate from the original source material That plot point can be considered filler because it's contradicting the original source material. If the original source deviating and contradicting the plot point too it can be considered filler. Usually happened when anime is the source material. They add flashback material without mentioning the flashback ( it's random jump of plot point )

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It would only be considered filler if it's contradicting with the series source of material or contradicting the series plot sequence.

Filler is material that doesn't directly contribute to the central narrative, contradictions don't have anything to do with it.

You're wrong, it cannot be considered filler if it has no contradiction. Contradiction is the one separating filler and not.

I'm sure there's a word for what you're talking about, but filler isn't it. That's not even the definition that anime fans usually use. You can't just make up new meanings for words, that's not how this works.

Here's the Wikipedia stub on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filler_(media)

[ABED]

It's called filler because it fills up time. The same thing happens in network TV. It has nothing to do with contradictions.

[GTX]

Filler is material that doesn't directly contribute to the central narrative, contradictions don't have anything to do with it.

You're wrong, it cannot be considered filler if it has no contradiction. Contradiction is the one separating filler and not.

I'm sure there's a word for what you're talking about, but filler isn't it. That's not even the definition that anime fans usually use. You can't just make up new meanings for words, that's not how this works.

Here's the Wikipedia stub on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filler_(media)

That's how anime and manga usually works. IF by your definition there is no fixed definition and can only making random guess which one filler and which one's not when in anime and manga there's fixed set of what with we considered filler and not.

It's called filler because it fills up time. The same thing happens in network TV. It has nothing to do with contradictions.

It always has relation with contradiction.

In that wikipedia it can be considered as filler because the filler contradict the on going plot sequence.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Most anime/manga fans use the word incorrectly.

...by your definition there is no fixed definition and can only making random guess which one filler and which one's not...

I gave you the correct definition, which included specific criteria, but you rejected it. I have no idea what you're talking about here.

It always has relation with contradiction.

In that wikipedia it can be considered as filler because the filler contradict the on going plot sequence.

Sorry, I'm done talking to you. You're just making shit up at this point.

[GTX]

Most anime/manga fans use the word incorrectly.

...by your definition there is no fixed definition and can only making random guess which one filler and which one's not...

I gave you the correct definition, which included specific criteria, but you rejected it. I have no idea what you're talking about here.

I read that wikipedia and it's filler because it's contradicting the on going plot.

[ABED]

The Wikipedia entry proves our point. It's there to take up time. When TV shows have 22 episodes per season, a number of them won't deal with the main arc. They fill time, hence FILLer.

[GTX]

The Wikipedia entry proves our point. It's there to take up time. When TV shows have 22 episodes per season, a number of them won't deal with the main arc. They fill time, hence FILLer.

What? So you make any random non sensical video as filler. That's stupid because when we talked about filler we are not talking about other series or shows.

[ABED]

The Wikipedia entry proves our point. It's there to take up time. When TV shows have 22 episodes per season, a number of them won't deal with the main arc. They fill time, hence FILLer.

What? So you make any random non sensical video as filler. That's stupid because when we talked about filler we are not talking about other series or shows.

What video are you referring to? I was bringing up other shows to prove what the concept means. DB didn't invent filler. The reasons DB has so much of it is because it airs every single week and in order to not get ahead of the manga, the writers padded the show. It's the same thing with US TV. Because network TV has so many episodes it has to produce and usually not every episode can be about fighting the central antagonist, they will write stand alone episodes.

[GTX]

The Wikipedia entry proves our point. It's there to take up time. When TV shows have 22 episodes per season, a number of them won't deal with the main arc. They fill time, hence FILLer.

What? So you make any random non sensical video as filler. That's stupid because when we talked about filler we are not talking about other series or shows.

What video are you referring to? I was bringing up other shows to prove what the concept means. DB didn't invent filler. The reasons DB has so much of it is because it airs every single week and in order to not get ahead of the manga, the writers padded the show. It's the same thing with US TV. Because network TV has so many episodes it has to produce and usually not every episode can be about fighting the central antagonist, they will write stand alone episodes.

Of course padding happened but padding can be differentiated because it's contradicting the main source material hence it's filler. If by your definition you cannot even differentiate betwen filler and not because it's very subjective whether SOL episodes considered as plot point or considered as filler.

[ABED]

Of course padding happened but padding can be differentiated because it's contradicting the main source material hence it's filler. If by your definition you cannot even differentiate betwen filler and not because it's very subjective whether SOL episodes considered as plot point or considered as filler.

It can be differentiated if you know the source material and you can differentiate standalone episodes from mytharc episodes. Even in shows like 24 which are all technically arc episodes, you can still tell when they are buying time by padding out the season in order to fill their 24 episode order. This isn't my definition. Even on Wikipedia, it shows that it's THE definition of filler. You can differentiate filler from canon often because the filler doesn't move the main story forward in any tangible way. The constant cutaways to Roshi and Chichi on Earth during the Freeza arc often don't contradict anything, but they are clearly there to fill time.

[GTX]

It can be differentiated if you know the source material and you can differentiate standalone episodes from mytharc episodes

Obviously how can you differentiate this when the anime is the source material itself?

Wikipedia definition is general terms not something used on anime and manga where there is no such a thing where random hip hop in anime considered as filler because anime and manga people watch doesn't have ads. And ads never have been called filler ever.