Can Gohan's Ultimate state surpass the level it was at in the Buu Arc?

[PsionicWarrior]

Regardless, the series will continue and he'll get something as the plot demands. Just like Trunks did.

Pretty much this, and OF COURSE he'll surpass his Z level (if he hasn't already, there was no filler whatsoever about his training how it was and for how long, we just know he did), there would be no point putting him back on the ring if he can't keep up with the others from a narrative standpoint. I expect him to unlock Blue or smth similar in power sooner or later.

[Ki Breaker]

Regardless, the series will continue and he'll get something as the plot demands. Just like Trunks did.

Pretty much this, and OF COURSE he'll surpass his Z level (if he hasn't already, there was no filler whatsoever about his training how it was and for how long, we just know he did), there would be no point putting him back on the ring if he can't keep up with the others from a narrative standpoint. I expect him to unlock Blue or smth similar in power sooner or later.

Ultimate will soon show feats capable of one shotting merged Zamasu..
Wait for it

[Xeztin]

I'm looking for a Gohan to mix it with God Ki and develop a "Mystic 2"

[Ki Breaker]

I'm looking for a Gohan to mix it with God Ki and develop a "Mystic 2"

Who knows maybe that blue aura design was meant for gohan to achieve and they gave trunks something similar to distinguish his rage mode, but trunks was supposed to just finish zamasu in a fit of rage and not have any transformation ( just because he didn't achieve such a transformation In manga till now is why I make this statement )

Mystic with blue outline on body would look super cool after all

[Xeztin]

I'm looking for a Gohan to mix it with God Ki and develop a "Mystic 2"

Who knows maybe that blue aura design was meant for gohan to achieve and they gave trunks something similar to distinguish his rage mode, but trunks was supposed to just finish zamasu in a fit of rage and not have any transformation ( just because he didn't achieve such a transformation In manga till now is why I make this statement )

Mystic with blue outline on body would look super cool after all

I wouldn't be surprised if for now on, Gohan goes back to being a "nerd" or whatever you'd call it, and he comes up with some kinda buff muscle transformation like Master Roshi and can go Mystic with the bang when he needs too. Mystic 2 might be the SSJW everybodys wanted

[Ki Breaker]

I'm looking for a Gohan to mix it with God Ki and develop a "Mystic 2"

Who knows maybe that blue aura design was meant for gohan to achieve and they gave trunks something similar to distinguish his rage mode, but trunks was supposed to just finish zamasu in a fit of rage and not have any transformation ( just because he didn't achieve such a transformation In manga till now is why I make this statement )

Mystic with blue outline on body would look super cool after all

I wouldn't be surprised if for now on, Gohan goes back to being a "nerd" or whatever you'd call it, and he comes up with some kinda buff muscle transformation like Master Roshi and can go Mystic with the bang when he needs too. Mystic 2 might be the SSJW everybodys wanted

Him removing the glasses already looks cool enough, that would add to the coolness factor even more..
So, why not!
That bang coming back with such a transformation would be really awesome too..

[TheUltimateNinja]

They stopped caring about consistency years ago. Vegeta's power was maxed out by Babidi's magic, he had basically hit his peak as well. Next thing you know, he's given a rage boost to bump him up to SSJ3 tier + SSB transformation on top of that.

The difference is that Babidi's spell is probably like the God Water, it brings out the maximum power you could have obtained until that point through training. The Rou Kaioshin ritual was meant to unlock absolutely everything Gohan would ever have.

Well actually, Babidi's magic is supposed to have brought a fighter beyond their natural limits (hence the bulging veins and overstressed appearance). Spopovich's maximum was human level (below Mr. Satan) but Babidi's magic made him superhuman, that's made very clear in the story and Vegeta likely had a similar increase. If he was already beyond his natural limits as Majin Vegeta then I don't see how training or a rage boost (powered by "love" no less..) could unlock much more. Of course, this is inconvenient when you want to sell new Vegeta merchandise so... screw established lore!

Point is, if they were willing to break rules for one character, they could've easily done so for another. Unfortunately, they chose to give Gohan an inferior transformation (SSJ) which he'd already surpassed.

I'm not defending Vegeta's rage boost moment, just the idea that he could get stronger. And Vegeta retained the power he had as Majin Vegeta which fits the fact that his powerup was simply a consequence of Babidi unlocking his hidden power and the bulging veins were probably due to the fact that he was being controlled.

[PsionicWarrior]

Vegeta retained the power he had as Majin Vegeta which fits the fact that his powerup was simply a consequence of Babidi unlocking his hidden power and the bulging veins were probably due to the fact that he was being controlled.

That''s an interesting theory, never thought of it that way. But from when exactly do you assume he retained this power? I see no clear indication of that.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta retained the power he had as Majin Vegeta which fits the fact that his powerup was simply a consequence of Babidi unlocking his hidden power and the bulging veins were probably due to the fact that he was being controlled.

That''s an interesting theory, never thought of it that way. But from when exactly do you assume he retained this power? I see no clear indication of that.

He is considered Goku's equal, before he got Babidi's unlock he was a good deal weaker than Goku.

[HeroR]

I don't know if Gohan got back in shape yet. The recent episode implies the opposite. He himself wonders if it would not be better to take it easy, since he hasn't fought in a long time. When Goku is the one who gives him confidence, I suspect Gohan doesn't think he is at his best condition. I think the promotional material is showing that this is something that will happen, but after the zen-exibition-matches.

He's in far better shape than he was during the Resurrection 'F' Saga and remember Gohan was still rusty skill-wise when he had his power unlocked by Old Kai, since he was still seven years out of practice. He was just so powerful by that point that it really didn't matter.

[NitroEX]

I'm not defending Vegeta's rage boost moment, just the idea that he could get stronger. And Vegeta retained the power he had as Majin Vegeta which fits the fact that his powerup was simply a consequence of Babidi unlocking his hidden power and the bulging veins were probably due to the fact that he was being controlled.

The large M on the forehead is the signifier Toriyama used to show Babidi's influence, not his veins/muscles. His overstressed appearance is there to communicate that the gains achieved by Vegeta and Babidi's men are unnatural (similar to a heavy steroid user).

The topic of Vegeta's power and when he specifically achieved SS2 is a much bigger debate that I'm not going to get into here. I'm just pointing out what the manga states, which is that Babidi's magic raises a person's power beyond its natural limits, meaning beyond Vegeta's peak (whatever that might've been prior to the Majin spell).

That''s an interesting theory, never thought of it that way. But from when exactly do you assume he retained this power? I see no clear indication of that.

He is considered Goku's equal, before he got Babidi's unlock he was a good deal weaker than Goku.

He was still a good deal weaker even after the fact, nothing he had could match Goku's SS3. Unless you're talking about after his random power up in BoG/Super.

[TheUltimateNinja]

That''s an interesting theory, never thought of it that way. But from when exactly do you assume he retained this power? I see no clear indication of that.

He is considered Goku's equal, before he got Babidi's unlock he was a good deal weaker than Goku.

He was still a good deal weaker even after the fact, nothing he had could match Goku's SS3. Unless you're talking about after his random power up in BoG/Super.

I mean in equivalent forms. After they fought as SSJ2s Goku said there was practically no difference in their power.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't know if Gohan got back in shape yet. The recent episode implies the opposite. He himself wonders if it would not be better to take it easy, since he hasn't fought in a long time. When Goku is the one who gives him confidence, I suspect Gohan doesn't think he is at his best condition. I think the promotional material is showing that this is something that will happen, but after the zen-exibition-matches.

He's in far better shape than he was during the Resurrection 'F' Saga and remember Gohan was still rusty skill-wise when he had his power unlocked by Old Kai, since he was still seven years out of practice. He was just so powerful by that point that it really didn't matter.

Even if Gohan is far better than he was in F Arc and Ultimate Gohan is somehow rusty skill-wise, I don't see how these claims make his current self more powerful than his prime.

[dragonball0900]

In regards to the question of the thread.

Yes, I do think Gohan can surpass his Buu arc self. It's not impossible, specially since he could also have training with Wiss or adquire god ki. Gohan has a lot of potential himself.

[HeroR]

Even if Gohan is far better than he was in F Arc and Ultimate Gohan is somehow rusty skill-wise, I don't see how these claims make his current self more powerful than his prime.

The same could be said about why Gohan now is far blow his prime just because he's using Super Saiyan.

[Hugo Boss]

Even if Gohan is far better than he was in F Arc and Ultimate Gohan is somehow rusty skill-wise, I don't see how these claims make his current self more powerful than his prime.

The same could be said about why Gohan now is far blow his prime just because he's using Super Saiyan.

I don't think this is the only reason to defend such position and I'm not trying to do that here, I'm just questioning your arguments.

[HeroR]

I don't think this is the only reason to defend such position and I'm not trying to do that here, I'm just questioning your arguments.

But you questing it by saying Gohan isn't up to par with the Buu Saga based on him using Super Saiyan, which is a flawed stand point.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

It was already stated that Current Gohan is Super Gohan and the designs that were given blatantly show it. He can stack Super Saiyan on top of his Potential unleashed power.

It doesn't matter whether or not Gohan gets stronger before the actual tournament. The Gohan we saw fight Lavender was Super Gohan.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't think this is the only reason to defend such position and I'm not trying to do that here, I'm just questioning your arguments.

But you questing it by saying Gohan isn't up to par with the Buu Saga based on him using Super Saiyan, which is a flawed stand point.

If you say Super Saiyan is enough to bring him to his previous peak level, it's up to you to prove it, not me to prove you are wrong. By the way, I wasn't talking about that. I was questioning the relevancy of current Gohan being stronger than when he fought Tagoma and co.

[Simere]

Vegeta retained the power he had as Majin Vegeta which fits the fact that his powerup was simply a consequence of Babidi unlocking his hidden power and the bulging veins were probably due to the fact that he was being controlled.

That''s an interesting theory, never thought of it that way. But from when exactly do you assume he retained this power? I see no clear indication of that.

He is considered Goku's equal, before he got Babidi's unlock he was a good deal weaker than Goku.

Where is he considered his equal after he stops being Majin?