The two most well synchronized fighters won't participate. So much for team work.

[kinisking]

Really? The Same Goten and Trunks that almost got the earth blown up with their incompetence? REALLY!?

You could say that about pretty much every character. Besides, Gotenks is the one who gets all cocky and stupid. It's not like they have to fuse.

[The gr]

in one of the guides stated krillin power has increased during the frieza figth to 70,000 meanwhile reacomme has a power level of 40,000 and roshi did got strong by training for 4 months,he is at least above raditz and nappa i recommend you watch this video about roshi power level and tien was not struggling to a frieza grunt

I will check video tomorrow as i have to hit the sack now, but i very much doubt Kuririn went from below 8000 (post elder unlock) to over 70.000 he is not a saiyan he does not get stronger after near death recovery, nor does he show rapid increase of strength while fighting like saiyans do. This guide you speak off screams of unofficial and fan made but I'm rather interested to read it if you come across it
Bolded was my shit grammar/english at play. I meant kuririn was struggling against the lowly frezaa henchman who average 1000 power level. Reacom would have no problem with them let alone someone with 70.000 power level

The fact that you sincerely belive roshi could possibly match nappa has peaked my interest, i will check the video tomorrow but i doubt it holds any substance, I find it so impossible to be truth, at the most optimistic of scenarios i would put him at the Kuririn tier during the saiyan saga. And even that seems unrealistic for me

This is from a v jump issue

and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt, and I made a mistake about roshi being above nappa, but he is close to nappa

[Zephyr]

The rules actually seem to me to justify the lack of Goten and Trunks. They're not experienced or reliable combatants. Unlike Goku, Gohan, and Future Trunks, they were raised for the first 7/8 years of their lives in peace time, by overprotective mothers. They were set to face Buu as pretty much the last resort, and they botched it. We're now, what, 6 years after the Buu arc? They haven't had a single bit of serious combat experience since, at least not while 2 individual people. There's also Gotenks, who is as far from a composed team player as you can get. I wouldn't trust the squirts to not fuse into Gotenks.

I do think it's a shame that Toriyama hasn't paid much attention to them since the Buu arc, keeping them in a permanent-Buu-arc-stasis. But, given that he has done that, I'm fine with the kids sitting this out. I might be upset by their exclusion had they actually developed into more interesting characters, but they haven't; since they haven't, they're better left in the background. Gotenks, on the other hand, would be fun to watch interact with the others. But again, it would be really, really dumb to bring Gotenks.

[Cabba]

video about roshi power level

I just saw the video coulnt get past minute 6:20 when the flawed assumptions began
His whole thesis is based on RoF and then goes on to make assumptions, as if there is some continuity of logic in DB unverse
Lets get real now for a moment. In DBZ Roshi coulnt take on raditz not even in his most ultimate form, if that weren't the case he wouldn't have said so and would of helped goku
Roshi is below Raditz and Saibamen, Roshi stopped training, he never went back to training nor it was ever implied he has. Roshi was there in RoF for show just like he will be in the survival arc for show and nostalgia nothing more, he is a worthless addition to the team tactics or not

[Cabba]

This is from a v jump issue [spoiler][/spoiler]and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt, and I made a mistake about roshi being above nappa, but he is close to nappa

I cant read squat here, where does it say he is 70.000? also is Vjump a reputable source or just fan service galore like the video games?
the video was painful to watch. Some things in DBS just dont make sense, the very same solidier who was supposed to be as strong as sarbon and dodoria required gohan to go SS in order to take him out, give me a break. Roshi is not even raditz level and nowhere close to nappa,

and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt

Yes he was:
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[/spoiler]

Vegeta from saiyan saga wouldnt have any trouble with these lil foot soldiers, let alone reacom. Someone with a 70.000 power level would be in no danger receiving ki blasts from lowly soldiers whose power level is 2000

The rules actually seem to me to justify the lack of Goten and Trunks. They're not experienced or reliable combatants

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

[dragonballgeek]

This is from a v jump issue [spoiler][/spoiler]and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt, and I made a mistake about roshi being above nappa, but he is close to nappa

I cant read squat here, where does it say he is 70.000? also is Vjump a reputable source or just fan service galore like the video games?
the video was painful to watch. Some things in DBS just dont make sense, the very same solidier who was supposed to be as strong as sarbon and dodoria required gohan to go SS in order to take him out, give me a break. Roshi is not even raditz level and nowhere close to nappa,

and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt

Yes he was:
[spoiler]



[/spoiler]

Vegeta from saiyan saga wouldnt have any trouble with these lil foot soldiers, let alone reacom. Someone with a 70.000 power level would be in no danger receiving ki blasts from lowly soldiers whose power level is 2000

The rules actually seem to me to justify the lack of Goten and Trunks. They're not experienced or reliable combatants

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

I still can't believe there are people who think roshi still has stuff to contribute in this fight. Moreso than Trunks and Goten. You need a strategist? You've Gohan and Piccolo. They're more than enough. Krillin? I can deal with him being there I guess.

The only way I could even remotely see Roshi being relevant is if he gained some of Gokus divine energy from when him and krillin were in the forest. Other than that, he's completely useless as a fighter.

[Cabba]

I still can't believe there are people who think roshi still has stuff to contribute in this fight. Moreso than Trunks and Goten. You need a strategist? You've Gohan and Piccolo. They're more than enough. Krillin? I can deal with him being there I guess.
The only way I could even remotely see Roshi being relevant is if he gained some of Gokus divine energy from when him and krillin were in the forest. Other than that, he's completely useless as a fighter.

Exactly! its not like he has any special technique either, he is not even saibamen level what could he posibly do? Even if the enemy just sat there letting him punch him in the face it would have no effect since his level is so low

I think Mr Satan and Videl would have been more useful than roshi or kuririn, at least they would keep Buu and Gohan on edge to protect them

[The gr]

This is from a v jump issue [spoiler][/spoiler]and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt, and I made a mistake about roshi being above nappa, but he is close to nappa

I cant read squat here, where does it say he is 70.000? also is Vjump a reputable source or just fan service galore like the video games?
the video was painful to watch. Some things in DBS just dont make sense, the very same solidier who was supposed to be as strong as sarbon and dodoria required gohan to go SS in order to take him out, give me a break. Roshi is not even raditz level and nowhere close to nappa,

and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt

Yes he was:
[spoiler]



[/spoiler]

Vegeta from saiyan saga wouldnt have any trouble with these lil foot soldiers, let alone reacom. Someone with a 70.000 power level would be in no danger receiving ki blasts from lowly soldiers whose power level is 2000

The rules actually seem to me to justify the lack of Goten and Trunks. They're not experienced or reliable combatants

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

By your logic sorbet is stronger than god Goku because he got hit by a laser, krillin is just clumsy,like every character,heck even Saiyan Saga Vegeta and recomme could commit the same mistake as Goku and krillin,all the dragon Ball character are vurnelrable when their guard are down, that was already established in ROF by whis,and the video I linked wasn't painful, because he made some legit point,he didn't say any bs, and shisami is not dodoria tier during the army fight,he was around perfect cell tier by training for 4 months

V jump is very reliable, is great for information and that is where we get information for dragon Ball Super and that is where the toyble is working,I can't believe you don't know that,so again your ranting for nothing,but I agree roshi is kinda ridiculous here but let's wait for a reason why they choose him over Goten and trunk

And dang you are underestimating krillin here,he could be useful here,like shooting his kienzan to the ring ground and making his opponent fall out the ring, and he could blind his opponent by using the tayoken to throw them off the Ring, and who knows he might get a power up here

[Cabba]

By your logic sorbet is stronger than god Goku because he got hit by a laser, krillin is just clumsy,like every character,heck even Saiyan Saga Vegeta and recomme could commit the same mistake as Goku and krillin,all the dragon Ball character are vurnelrable when their guard are down, that was already established in ROF by whis,and the video I linked wasn't painful, because he made some legit point,he didn't say any bs, and shisami is not dodoria tier during the army fight,he was around perfect cell tier by training for 4 months

v jump is very reliable, is great for information and that is where we get information for dragon Ball Super and that is where the toyble is working,I can't believe you don't know that,so again your ranting for nothing,but I agree roshi is kinda ridiculous here but let's wait for a reason why they choose him over Goten and trunk

and dang you are underestimating krillin here,he could be useful here,like shooting his kienzan to the ring ground and making his opponent fall out the ring, and he could blind his opponent by using the tayoken to throw them off the Ring, and who knows he might get a power up here

Funny you mention that since the video you posted as source for roshi being stronger than raditz based its whole thesis on RoF which has lots of inconsistencies like sorbet ring, thats what is so painful to watch he made up this idea that roshi was training when he never did in DBZ or DBS and it. it was never implied so. Also the video didnt need 10 minutes to say what he was saying, it doesn't take complex calculations to figure out than in order to take 3 to 4 guys at the same time with a power level of 1000 to 1500 it would take roughly double their power

Gohan saved him, Saved implies he could have died...
Reacom survived Vegetas 30.000 super attacks, are you telling me that he could have died from some lowly 1000 beams? Kuririn looked exhausted as well. Also running away from their attacks before crashing into the tree instead of taking them head on, a guy with 70.000 would have no problem taking those lowly attacks. Like how Goku using his base 8000 received nappa attack in the chest on purpose. If anything i would say Kuririn was so under-powered due to lack of training that his power during RoF was below 5000

Reacom was attacked with his guard down by Vegeta in his face! nappa was attacked with his guard down by Tien using his most powerful attack and by piccolo in his back, Vegeta attacked Trunks with his guard down, Trunks took vegeta by surprise with one of his most powerful attacks. Nothing was established, that particular scene was just there for show. Whats more Kurririn was not taken by surprise he was running away from those attacks
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[/spoiler]
Except Shisami did not train, only his partner Tagoma did yet DBS didnt bother about continuity. The Dodoraria/sarbon reference was just the for show. Or the fact that Goku was god tier in his base form
Sure VJump can be reliable and post accurate info, that doesn't make the magazine gospel that cant be refuted or invulnerable to post made up shit that does not come from the creators. Seen this a lot in the video games bio and other such materials.

Kuririn could just get expelled from the ring with a big ki expulsion, his attacks wont have any effects on stronger foes and anyone can learn the taioken even the kids its not some signature move of his, he wont fight someone stronger than him. They will probably bring nerfed characters on the level of kuririn and roshi. Which is insane that Universes with a higher rating than 7 cant find something better than a saibamen and a dude with 10k of power, in the most favorable of scenarios i would put kuririn at 20k which is really way beyond what he has shown in battle. Doesnt make sense for the other universes to have members on their team that are weaker than namek final form freeza either

Him having kienzan makes him punch above his weight, still doesnt make him any less useful than the kids

[The gr]

By your logic sorbet is stronger than god Goku because he got hit by a laser, krillin is just clumsy,like every character,heck even Saiyan Saga Vegeta and recomme could commit the same mistake as Goku and krillin,all the dragon Ball character are vurnelrable when their guard are down, that was already established in ROF by whis,and the video I linked wasn't painful, because he made some legit point,he didn't say any bs, and shisami is not dodoria tier during the army fight,he was around perfect cell tier by training for 4 months

v jump is very reliable, is great for information and that is where we get information for dragon Ball Super and that is where the toyble is working,I can't believe you don't know that,so again your ranting for nothing,but I agree roshi is kinda ridiculous here but let's wait for a reason why they choose him over Goten and trunk

and dang you are underestimating krillin here,he could be useful here,like shooting his kienzan to the ring ground and making his opponent fall out the ring, and he could blind his opponent by using the tayoken to throw them off the Ring, and who knows he might get a power up here

Funny you mention that since the video you posted as source for roshi being stronger than raditz based its whole thesis on RoF which has lots of inconsistencies like sorbet ring, thats what is so painful to watch he made up this idea that roshi was training when he never did in DBZ or DBS and it. it was never implied so. Also the video didnt need 10 minutes to say what he was saying, it doesn't take complex calculations to figure out than in order to take 3 to 4 guys at the same time with a power level of 1000 to 1500 it would take roughly double their power

Gohan saved him, Saved implies he could have died...
Reacom survived Vegetas 30.000 super attacks, are you telling me that he could have died from some lowly 1000 beams? Kuririn looked exhausted as well. Also running away from their attacks before crashing into the tree instead of taking them head on, a guy with 70.000 would have no problem taking those lowly attacks. Like how Goku using his base 8000 received nappa attack in the chest on purpose. If anything i would say Kuririn was so under-powered due to lack of training that his power during RoF was below 5000

Reacom was attacked with his guard down by Vegeta in his face! nappa was attacked with his guard down by Tien using his most powerful attack and by piccolo in his back, Vegeta attacked Trunks with his guard down, Trunks took vegeta by surprise with one of his most powerful attacks. Nothing was established, that particular scene was just there for show. Whats more Kurririn was not taken by surprise he was running away from those attacks
[spoiler]



[/spoiler]
Except Shisami did not train, only his partner Tagoma did yet DBS didnt bother about continuity. The Dodoraria/sarbon reference was just the for show. Or the fact that Goku was god tier in his base form
Sure VJump can be reliable and post accurate info, that doesn't make the magazine gospel that cant be refuted or invulnerable to post made up shit that does not come from the creators. Seen this a lot in the video games bio and other such materials.

Kuririn could just get expelled from the ring with a big ki expulsion, his attacks wont have any effects on stronger foes and anyone can learn the taioken even the kids its not some signature move of his, he wont fight someone stronger than him. They will probably bring nerfed characters on the level of kuririn and roshi. Which is insane that Universes with a higher rating than 7 cant find something better than a saibamen and a dude with 10k of power, in the most favorable of scenarios i would put kuririn at 20k which is really way beyond what he has shown in battle. Doesnt make sense for the other universes to have members on their team that are weaker than namek final form freeza either

Him having kienzan makes him punch above his weight, still doesnt make him any less useful than the kids

wow I don't understand your logic, because your using the ROF scene when krillin was running away from the frieza force and yet your using DBS continuity of tagoma training, that doesn't make any sense since super retcon ressurection f and Krillin destroy the frieza force with ease in DBS

and the sorbet laser scene is not really an inconsistency

[Cabba]

wow I don't understand your logic, because your using the ROF scene when krillin was running away from the frieza force and yet your using DBS continuity of tagoma training, that doesn't make any sense since super retcon ressurection f and Krillin destroy the frieza force with ease in DBS

and the sorbet laser scene is not really an inconsistency

What I'm saying is that DBS does not take every single detail seriously and sometimes does things for show/story not caring about inconsistency or look over details. My point is that is asinine to take one particular scene from DBS to form a thesis especially when it contradicts with previously known facts. If i were to draw a conclusion from that particular scene i would say Kuririn 4000 but i know better than that which is why at the end i say that at best i would put him at 20k. So far nothing gives credence to relive kuririn is any stronger than that unless the (filler?) episode had importance and Kuririn gained godish powers

Someone with a 8000 power level should have no problem taking on freeza force, so the DBS retelling just made it right this time. I can point to another inconsistency from DBS, shisami who had no training and was Dodoria tier was able to deflect base gohan ki blasts and grab him by surprise

Its a inconsistency, unless freeza had a tech to store one of his ki blasts inside sorbets ring. I think even they realized it was inconsistent which why they dialed it back in the anime and made goku go back to base form first before receiving the attack, which is still inconsistent as fuck but ok thats better. Just like Goku getting a scratch from a bullet in one of the filler episodes

[The gr]

wow I don't understand your logic, because your using the ROF scene when krillin was running away from the frieza force and yet your using DBS continuity of tagoma training, that doesn't make any sense since super retcon ressurection f and Krillin destroy the frieza force with ease in DBS

and the sorbet laser scene is not really an inconsistency

What I'm saying is that DBS does not take every single detail seriously and sometimes does things for show/story not caring about inconsistency or look over details. My point is that is asinine to take one particular scene from DBS to form a thesis especially when it contradicts with previously known facts. If i were to draw a conclusion from that particular scene i would say Kuririn 4000 but i know better than that which is why at the end i say that at best i would put him at 20k. So far nothing gives credence to relive kuririn is any stronger than that unless the (filler?) episode had importance and Kuririn gained godish powers

Someone with a 8000 power level should have no problem taking on freeza force, so the DBS retelling just made it right this time. I can point to another inconsistency from DBS, shisami who had no training and was Dodoria tier was able to deflect base gohan ki blasts and grab him by surprise

Its a inconsistency, unless freeza had a tech to store one of his ki blasts inside sorbets ring. I think even they realized it was inconsistent which why they dialed it back in the anime and made goku go back to base form first before receiving the attack, which is still inconsistent as fuck but ok thats better. Just like Goku getting a scratch from a bullet in one of the filler episodes

Goku getting scratched by a bullet is not filler as far as I'm concerned, and again Goku just let his guard down when he got frieza pinned to a corner according to the ROF movie and arc,so that's the lame answer on why Goku got hit by the Laser, and we really don't know if shisami did train or not, and let's just wait if Krillin had a godly power up, and why Goku choose Krillin over Goten and trunks, because we seriously need an answer

[Cabba]

Goku getting scratched by a bullet is not filler as far as I'm concerned, and again Goku just let his guard down when he got frieza pinned to a corner according to the ROF movie and arc,so that's the lame answer on why Goku got hit by the Laser, and we really don't know if shisami did train or not, and let's just wait if Krillin had a godly power up, and why Goku choose Krillin over Goten and trunks, because we seriously need an answer

It absolutely is filler, the episode was filler. Whats more Goku was not taken by surprise otherwise he wouldn't have used his arm to cover himself they did it for show/story to drive home the point that goku was slacking in his training and thus making his body less resistant. It was lazy and just bad. We have seen low tier enemies before receive bullets to the face carelessly without taking any damage, even in super with black. Whats more i provided examples of characters in DB getting hit off guard by surprise ki attacks. Are you gonna tell me now that a bullet is stronger than those?

The only one shown training was Tagoma whats more he was chosen by sorbet as training partner for freeza. I mean we can assume he trained to make sense of it, because thats how it is with super inconsistent shit that does not make any sense will happen from time to time. It happened a lot during the black saga

You know as much as i rant about this, I'm hope I'm wrong and they do give kuririn a power boost. Its just that from DBZ up until now there has not been single development that would justify kuririn being over 20k if anything i would expect him to be lower than that due to his earthling body deteriorating due to lack of training, the godish thing could be the answer indeed . Tien for example has been training all this time, it would make sense if he suddenly is much stronger than in the cell saga. Having said all this, i think the reason goten and trunks are not present is that they are saving them for a later arc. I find it suspicious how Goku ordered Goten and Trunks to go to dendes lookout while fighting freeza.

[DBSQA]

The 10 fighters are suppose to be involved in team work so I don't get what you mean when you say "so much for team work" when Goten and Trunks are not even apart of the team. The team work is not talking about the Z fighters as a whole, just the 10 fighters.

[The gr]

Goku getting scratched by a bullet is not filler as far as I'm concerned, and again Goku just let his guard down when he got frieza pinned to a corner according to the ROF movie and arc,so that's the lame answer on why Goku got hit by the Laser, and we really don't know if shisami did train or not, and let's just wait if Krillin had a godly power up, and why Goku choose Krillin over Goten and trunks, because we seriously need an answer

It absolutely is filler, the episode was filler. Whats more Goku was not taken by surprise otherwise he wouldn't have used his arm to cover himself they did it for show/story to drive home the point that goku was slacking in his training and thus making his body less resistant. It was lazy and just bad. We have seen low tier enemies before receive bullets to the face carelessly without taking any damage, even in super with black. Whats more i provided examples of characters in DB getting hit off guard by surprise ki attacks. Are you gonna tell me now that a bullet is stronger than those?

The only one shown training was Tagoma whats more he was chosen by sorbet as training partner for freeza. I mean we can assume he trained to make sense of it, because thats how it is with super inconsistent shit that does not make any sense will happen from time to time. It happened a lot during the black saga

You know as much as i rant about this, I'm hope I'm wrong and they do give kuririn a power boost. Its just that from DBZ up until now there has not been single development that would justify kuririn being over 20k if anything i would expect him to be lower than that due to his earthling body deteriorating due to lack of training, the godish thing could be the answer indeed . Tien for example has been training all this time, it would make sense if he suddenly is much stronger than in the cell saga. Having said all this, i think the reason goten and trunks are not present is that they are saving them for a later arc. I find it suspicious how Goku ordered Goten and Trunks to go to dendes lookout while fighting freeza.

I'm going to wait for the manga,if the manga has the bullet scene, then is cannon, that's is just your headcanon on Kuririn power,I honestly call bs if Kuririn power level was around during in DBZ Namek and cell arc and the real answer of Goten and trunks are absent In my opinion,is just toriyama don't care for them,I mean can anyone tell why Goten and trunks are not in ROF, Heck I go far to say toriyama didn't have any plans for them since the Buu saga ended or it could just be for merchandising since ROF is very popular, hence the reason why they use the Earthling

I think I will be mixed if they cheaply power up Kuririn but then again Goten and trunks did it as well,so I will be unfazed when that happens, and honestly he kinda deserve it

[Zephyr]

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

Yes, leagues ahead of them...in terms of power, which the series deliberately and in no uncertain terms tells isn't sufficient by itself for this fight. Having a lot of power, but being horribly unfit to handle it is pretty much the only notable thing about the pair at this point.

its not like he has any special technique either

He uses a hypnosis technique to put Goku to sleep at the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai.

[dragonballgeek]

This is from a v jump issue [spoiler][/spoiler]and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt, and I made a mistake about roshi being above nappa, but he is close to nappa

I cant read squat here, where does it say he is 70.000? also is Vjump a reputable source or just fan service galore like the video games?
the video was painful to watch. Some things in DBS just dont make sense, the very same solidier who was supposed to be as strong as sarbon and dodoria required gohan to go SS in order to take him out, give me a break. Roshi is not even raditz level and nowhere close to nappa,

and krillin was not struggling to a frieza grunt

Yes he was:
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[/spoiler]

Vegeta from saiyan saga wouldnt have any trouble with these lil foot soldiers, let alone reacom. Someone with a 70.000 power level would be in no danger receiving ki blasts from lowly soldiers whose power level is 2000

The rules actually seem to me to justify the lack of Goten and Trunks. They're not experienced or reliable combatants

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

By your logic sorbet is stronger than god Goku because he got hit by a laser, krillin is just clumsy,like every character,heck even Saiyan Saga Vegeta and recomme could commit the same mistake as Goku and krillin,all the dragon Ball character are vurnelrable when their guard are down, that was already established in ROF by whis,and the video I linked wasn't painful, because he made some legit point,he didn't say any bs, and shisami is not dodoria tier during the army fight,he was around perfect cell tier by training for 4 months

V jump is very reliable, is great for information and that is where we get information for dragon Ball Super and that is where the toyble is working,I can't believe you don't know that,so again your ranting for nothing,but I agree roshi is kinda ridiculous here but let's wait for a reason why they choose him over Goten and trunk

And dang you are underestimating krillin here,he could be useful here,like shooting his kienzan to the ring ground and making his opponent fall out the ring, and he could blind his opponent by using the tayoken to throw them off the Ring, and who knows he might get a power up here

Are you really trying to make a case about Krillin and Roshi being stronger than goten and Trunks..? I really hope that's not what you're doing.

I thought it was pretty obvious by now that the only reason they have Roshi and Krillin fighting is to get The original characters back in action. Nothing more.

[NintendoBlaze53]

4 words. Power, levels, don't, matter. Anyone who is a fan of Hunter X Hunter or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or even early Dragon Ball know the best fights aren't, who can throw the biggest blast or punch the hardest. The fights I remember are those that involve complex strategy and how to use it. As all of Hunter X Hunter and JoJo's fights follow the rule of "It's not if I have the power to win, it's HOW I can use my power to win".

I know a fight with Roshi or Kuririn or Tenshinhan would be 10 times more interesting then any fight with Goten and Trunks. Cause the kids' fights would be nothing but repeated animation and energy blast, while the Earthlings give Toei a chance to animate some actual dynamic fights that are.... well fights and not explosion fests.

[The gr]

I cant read squat here, where does it say he is 70.000? also is Vjump a reputable source or just fan service galore like the video games?
the video was painful to watch. Some things in DBS just dont make sense, the very same solidier who was supposed to be as strong as sarbon and dodoria required gohan to go SS in order to take him out, give me a break. Roshi is not even raditz level and nowhere close to nappa,

Yes he was:
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[/spoiler]

Vegeta from saiyan saga wouldnt have any trouble with these lil foot soldiers, let alone reacom. Someone with a 70.000 power level would be in no danger receiving ki blasts from lowly soldiers whose power level is 2000

The thing is, even unfused and not taking it seriously they are LEAGUES ahead of roshi and kuririn, let alone in their respective SS forms, kuririns and Roshi power level is whole-fully inadequate for the tournament
Either Goten or Trunks in base form could take both kuririn and roshi with eyes closed and hands tied without braking a sweat

By your logic sorbet is stronger than god Goku because he got hit by a laser, krillin is just clumsy,like every character,heck even Saiyan Saga Vegeta and recomme could commit the same mistake as Goku and krillin,all the dragon Ball character are vurnelrable when their guard are down, that was already established in ROF by whis,and the video I linked wasn't painful, because he made some legit point,he didn't say any bs, and shisami is not dodoria tier during the army fight,he was around perfect cell tier by training for 4 months

V jump is very reliable, is great for information and that is where we get information for dragon Ball Super and that is where the toyble is working,I can't believe you don't know that,so again your ranting for nothing,but I agree roshi is kinda ridiculous here but let's wait for a reason why they choose him over Goten and trunk

And dang you are underestimating krillin here,he could be useful here,like shooting his kienzan to the ring ground and making his opponent fall out the ring, and he could blind his opponent by using the tayoken to throw them off the Ring, and who knows he might get a power up here

Are you really trying to make a case about Krillin and Roshi being stronger than goten and Trunks..? I really hope that's not what you're doing.

I thought it was pretty obvious by now that the only reason they have Roshi and Krillin fighting is to get The original characters back in action. Nothing more.

Nah,I know Goten and trunks are stronger than Krillin and roshi,but I'm not agreeing with this guy, because he is downplaying these character to the point is ridiculous,I'm sure everyone knows there doing this for nostalgia

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I'm going to wait for the manga,if the manga has the bullet scene, then is cannon, that's is just your headcanon on Kuririn power,I honestly call bs if Kuririn power level was around during in DBZ Namek and cell arc and the real answer of Goten and trunks are absent In my opinion,is just toriyama don't care for them,I mean can anyone tell why Goten and trunks are not in ROF, Heck I go far to say toriyama didn't have any plans for them since the Buu saga ended or it could just be for merchandising since ROF is very popular, hence the reason why they use the Earthling

I think I will be mixed if they cheaply power up Kuririn but then again Goten and trunks did it as well,so I will be unfazed when that happens, and honestly he kinda deserve it

I never said the power level was fact, its just what i expect it from him. At best Kuririn powers doubled since namek saga maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less. That is specially generous considering his lack of training. He was ~8000 post elder unlock. He trained for the androids and then never had any further training in DBZ
I consider it a educated estimation for his power to be around the 20k mark more or less. The only development that would grant him

Do you think a bullet is stronger than a ki blast?
In the manga (mind you) we already have examples of surprise off guard ki blasts
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Here are some much much much weaker characters taking bullets
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So you just think Akira forgot about goten and trunks and thats it? I'm genuily curious about this omission and open to different interpretations
Kuririn deserves as power boost in the sense that he has been one the main characters in Z with least growing in power, he hasnt shown any growth since his namek self. On merits though, i dont think he deserves it since quit training unlike Tien. I hope they show Tien having a clear edge over kuriri, like tien helping kuririn and shit

Yes, leagues ahead of them...in terms of power, which the series deliberately and in no uncertain terms tells isn't sufficient by itself for this fight. Having a lot of power, but being horribly unfit to handle it is pretty much the only notable thing about the pair at this point.

Not to the point you are so far behind your punches has no effect on them. Kuririn and Roshi could not beat Cell not even in a 1000 years if he sit still while they punched him. They are so weak to the point that a simple ki expulsion would push them off the platform

4 words. Power, levels, don't, matter. Anyone who is a fan of Hunter X Hunter or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or even early Dragon Ball know the best fights aren't, who can throw the biggest blast or punch the hardest. The fights I remember are those that involve complex strategy and how to use it. As all of Hunter X Hunter and JoJo's fights follow the rule of "It's not if I have the power to win, it's HOW I can use my power to win".

Those fights you remember are dudes fighting within the same realm of power, do you honestly expect for example... for Kuririn or Roshi to beat freeza with "complex" strategy
Or Goku/Vegeta pre God powers to beat Beerus with complex strategy. Beerus would have them down with a flick of a finger

I know they are doing it for nostalgia, which is dumb because then they would have to bring some equally weak/underpowerd characters from other universes to give them a interesting fight. I think is so dumb to think roshi/kuririn tier is taking up one slot from the best 10 fighters within each universe, especially with whats at stake