Who gets sick of the DBZ hating by anime fans?

Bejiita · Post by **Bejiita** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:39 pm

Yea I can imagine the kind of attention Japanese DBZ would get in a classroom of youths, they just probably saw it as a free hour of talking time!

The Japanese version has to be properly viewed to get the full feel of it. Unfortunately it isn't like by all.

A good thing would be if they watched the first series from episode 1 - 67 in Japanese and then getting to the next episode and saying 'Ok were switching to the dub now because it is uncut from here too' (even though ultimate uncut is now released forget it) and I guarantee people will want to carry on with the series in Japanese.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:24 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:The reason anime fans hate DBZ is simple.

Its a very popular show that gained mainstream popularity in America. Any other answer is wrong.

Oh their are the ones who say "That Dragonball is good, because it was funny." Odds are they have never seen any Dragonball episodes outside of the initial dub done in 1995.

I agree with you for the most part. The general anime snob hates anything after it gets popular, even if they havent seen it. Others seem to hate it because they claim its simple and has no plot. This is just flat out ignorance. The biggest one I've noticed is people who've only seen the dub. IMHO the dub kills the show, wich may be why so many people hate it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:18 pm

I think the dub actually shows the greatness of DBZ. In the sense that despite being completely butchered it still achieved massive popularity.

How many other popular animes died because of a terrible dub? Yet DBZ was hugely successful in spite of its dub.

Brad Redfield · Post by **Brad Redfield** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:58 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:How many other popular animes died because of a terrible dub?

*COUGH*OnePiece;CardCaptorSakura*COUGH*

Anyways, I could care less what other anime fans have to say about the series.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:07 pm

Brad Redfield wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:How many other popular animes died because of a terrible dub?
*COUGH*OnePiece;CardCaptorSakura*COUGH*

Anyways, I could care less what other anime fans have to say about the series.

You should also include Escaflowne when it was on Fox Kids. They butchered the poor thing to death.

goku 333 · Post by **goku 333** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:52 am

I think that some anime fans are just jealous because not many shows have had that many episodes, merchandise and video games devoted to it.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:52 pm

desirecampbell wrote:It's a sad, but true, fact that a lot of anime fans actively talk down about DragonBall and its fans. There are a few reasons why this happens:

1. Conformity
A lot of people hate DBZ, so a lot more people will hate it just to be accepted by these senior anime fans.

2. Cliché
Sadly, many of the ideas presented in DBZ, because DBZ was so popular, we used in many many other animes. Like the 'power up and transform into a new form ARRGH!!'. Yeah, it's not bad, on it's own, but over the past 20 years it has become cliché. It wasn't cliché when Toriyama did it, though, and that fact should be kept in mind as well.

3. "Triangle guy"
There are some great animated scenes in DBZ - but there's also a lot of shit too. People (me included) seem to remember those badly done scenes more often than the great ones. Again, it's important to remember they were pumping out a new episode a week, without digital equipment, for a decade. I forgive them cutting a few corners.

4. "Next time on DBZ: someone'll throw a punch... I promise!"
Yeah, there's a fair bit of staring, and some episodes build up a fight that happens three episodes later - for 30 seconds. Scenes get stretched out really badly. It isn't a good point to DBZ. Again - it's important to note that this doesn't happen all that much, but the few times it does happen it's disgusting.

5. Filler
Now, this isn't something I see that much outside the community - but many DBZ fans complain about the inconsistencies and filler that contradicts with the manga. But it's very important to note that, compared to a lot of other popular series, DBZ is very true to the manga. People seem to complain about the smallest things being changed in DBZ, and no one complains about Akira.

..yeah, what he said. Keep in mind, the die-hard haters usually were die-hard fans initially. I've said it before that too much of anything is bad.
Another reason people would hate DBZ is because.. IDK, HFIL.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:01 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:I think the dub actually shows the greatness of DBZ.

IMO I think it only shows only about a third of the greatness of DBZ.

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:52 pm

Majin Buu wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:I think the dub actually shows the greatness of DBZ.
IMO I think it only shows only about a third of the greatness of DBZ.

I honestly don't think the dub is that bad. It could be a lot worse.

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:07 pm

You know, it never really bothered me when some anime nerd criticized Dragon Ball around me. To each his/her own opinion. I love Dragon Ball for what it is, and nothing will ever change that. I've always considered Dragon Ball to be classic anime. "Classic" being the keyword here. That's how I've always felt about it. So I feel sorry for those who try to compare it (or explain how crappy it is next) to all the recent animes that were made after it. They're fucking idiots in my opinion. That, and they don't have any respect for the early roots of Japanimation. DB should be respected by all those who claim to love anime. That's how I see it.

I once told this one anime fanatic that DB was the greatest anime ever created, just to see his reaction (but I was still serious). After I told him, he turned to me and said, with a serious look on his face, "I should punch you for saying that dude." Of course he didn't, but it was still ammusing to see how offended he became.

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:44 pm

Yeah, Dragon Ball is just about as classic as the likes of Doremon, Kinnikuman, & Tetsuwan Atom and should be respected by the serious of anime fans regardless of whether they like it or not. I find it ironic (& funny) how these same people whom herald the likes of Hayao Miyazaki & Hironobu Sakaguchi (Final Fantasy) then when asked about the likes of those animes mentioned above, they call it crap, yet Miyazaki got his start with Toei & Sakaguchi "tips his hat", persay, to Toriyama's artwork (Blue Dragon & Chrono Trigger can attest to that). The Naruto & One Piece fans are the same.......Of course this doesn't apply to ALL the fans (but there are people out there like that).

GI_Judd2287 · Post by **GI_Judd2287** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:46 pm

Some people think DBZ gave anime in general a very stereotypical perspective to people who don't watch it. That may be somewhat true, but it's also a testament to the fact at how big Dragon Ball is. Yeah, the anime is drawn out, and sometimes the animation isn't that good, but the good stuff weighs out the bad IMO. One thing that I think is important to note (as has been mentioned) is that many popular manga authors hold it in very high esteem.

In short, I think some people hate DBZ just to look like some kind of all knowing pseudo-intellectual critic, when in fact they're just fat nerds with bitch tits who still live with their mom at 30.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:56 pm

GI_Judd2287 wrote:In short, I think some people hate DBZ just to look like some kind of all knowing pseudo-intellectual critic, when in fact they're just fat nerds with bitch tits who still live with their mom at 30.

Anyways, I've seen these people on message boards before. They're just stupid. They obviously never watch the show, and don't give it a chance. They say all the gayest things you can think of, like "wow, all the people in that show sound like they are taking a shit" and "the animation is soo shit compared to other animes". It makes me sick.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:55 pm

Well, as coincedence would have it, I'm sitting (as I'm typing) in a "meeting" of my college's anime club right now, and so far all that's happened since I arrived is a FLCL marathon, two episodes of InuYasha, and a lot of loud, obnoxious banter about all the cool, 'new' anime favorites(none on my part, though). Thing is, just as I expected, I've already heard a bit of DB-bashing from most present. It saddens me.

Should I stay and hopefully end up at least slightly 'enlightening' these weirdos whenever I get a chance to talk, or should I give up and not bother attending much, if at all?

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:11 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Well, as coincedence would have it, I'm sitting (as I'm typing) in a "meeting" of my college's anime club right now, and so far all that's happened since I arrived is a FLCL marathon, two episodes of InuYasha, and a lot of loud, obnoxious banter about all the cool, 'new' anime favorites(none on my part, though). Thing is, just as I expected, I've already heard a bit of DB-bashing from most present. It saddens me.

Should I stay and hopefully end up at least slightly 'enlightening' these weirdos whenever I get a chance to talk, or should I give up and not bother attending much, if at all?

Anime clubs generally aren't very organized (in my experiences anyway) and most people that joina re pretty new to the hobby itself. I personally suggest, as a word from Miss Panda, to stay away...

Sebastian (SB) · Post by **Sebastian (SB)** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:17 pm

I agree & couldn't have put it any better. Like Panda, I've had my shares & experiences with these "Anime" clubs.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:14 pm

Yeah, by the time the 'meeting' was over, I'd already decided not to bother. You'd think a college-level club would be at least a little more organized and mature, but they're all just a bunch of obnoxious, Dragonball-ignorant snobby weirdos. I'm not gonna bother attending anymore.

Panda · Post by **Panda** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:25 pm

Well... don't wuit because they don't like DBZ> The majority of fans anywhere are like that. Quit because it isn't up to your standard of what you consider a college-level anime club to be like.

(I'm not an anime fan by any means. I'm more like a selective hyper-fan if anything. So take my advice carefully)

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:33 pm

Panda wrote:Well... don't quit because they don't like DBZ. The majority of fans anywhere are like that. Quit because it isn't up to your standard of what you consider a college-level anime club to be like.

You hit the nail on the head. That really was why; but the DragonBall issue was the straw that broke the camel's back.

That expression's kinda mean. The poor camel!

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:52 pm

I don't mind when people say they hate Dragon Ball, Z or GT. I understand that everyone has their own opinions. Luckily, I live in an area where all the boys at least were Dragon Ball Z fanboys, and anime is fairly popular with guys, as is manga among the girls now.

However, it bothers the shit out of me when someone makes fun of Dragon Ball Z, Naruto's dub, or any of the other shows I like, and then they say how much they love [character] from "Code Lyoko." Stupid f-ing ten year olds, who think they're elistists or something. I just--! Must smack the crap out of those kids!

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