Anyone else can't stand Zen-Oh?

[TheDipDap1234]

I wish I could have a kid like Zen-oh.

Joking. I like Zen-oh. I like these "adorable, but can kill you in any second" characters in TV shows. Plus, I just adore his interactions with Goku.

[WittyUsername]

*sigh*

Again this is the ENTIRE POINT OF HIS CHARACTER. That a God does not have to be wise because hes all powerful.

Why do people have such a hard time grasping this? Maybe because I'm not religious and have no concept of what God should be...IDK.

I'm not religious either. In fact, I'm an atheist. I have a problem with Zen-Oh because I don't like the idea of the entire multiverse being at the mercy of some spoiled child, especially since all the other characters are forced to just accept it without question. That just rubs me the wrong way.

It also doesn't help that I find characters whose entire personalities revolve around how cute and innocent they are to be annoying. I don't care if that's the point of the character, I still find it annoying.

Honestly, a big problem I have with Super in general is that the protagonists are pretty much always at the mercy of the Gods. If they actually went somewhere with that concept then it would be okay, but given how powerful Zen-Oh is, it doesn't seem like any future arc will involve him (them) getting overthrown.

Well thats a bit different than what you originally said or rather how I perceived it. To not like it is fine since taste is subjective. As long as people get why he is that way.

I don't quite see how it's different from what I said in the OP. I mentioned earlier that I don't like the fact that the entire multiverse was at Zen-Oh's mercy, and that we as audience members are supposed to just be okay with it.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I'm not religious either. In fact, I'm an atheist. I have a problem with Zen-Oh because I don't like the idea of the entire multiverse being at the mercy of some spoiled child, especially since all the other characters are forced to just accept it without question. That just rubs me the wrong way.

It also doesn't help that I find characters whose entire personalities revolve around how cute and innocent they are to be annoying. I don't care if that's the point of the character, I still find it annoying.

Honestly, a big problem I have with Super in general is that the protagonists are pretty much always at the mercy of the Gods. If they actually went somewhere with that concept then it would be okay, but given how powerful Zen-Oh is, it doesn't seem like any future arc will involve him (them) getting overthrown.

Well thats a bit different than what you originally said or rather how I perceived it. To not like it is fine since taste is subjective. As long as people get why he is that way.

I don't quite see how it's different from what I said in the OP. I mentioned earlier that I don't like the fact that the entire multiverse was at Zen-Oh's mercy, and that we as audience members are supposed to just be okay with it.

Why shouldnt you be okay with it? Its an accurate portrayal of what the universe is to God. A toy. The assumption a God needs to be wise or care is one made by people not a universal law. Hes literally so powerful nothing matters....he can do anything because noone can tell him otherwise.

Well if you notice I also said how I perceived your first post...which was the idea of his character not being understood but I was wrong on that.

[WittyUsername]

Well thats a bit different than what you originally said or rather how I perceived it. To not like it is fine since taste is subjective. As long as people get why he is that way.

I don't quite see how it's different from what I said in the OP. I mentioned earlier that I don't like the fact that the entire multiverse was at Zen-Oh's mercy, and that we as audience members are supposed to just be okay with it.

Why shouldnt you be okay with it? Its an accurate portrayal of what the universe is to God. A toy. The assumption a God needs to be wise or care is one made by people not a universal law. Hes literally so powerful nothing matters....he can do anything because noone can tell him otherwise.

Well if you notice I also said how I perceived your first post...which was the idea of his character not being understood but I was wrong on that.

I'd rather there not be an all-powerful God who has no equals in this franchise to begin with. I feel that it kind of goes against the theme of Dragon Ball.

[KingKaash]

I can't stand the childishness of Zen-Oh. You'd think the ultimate decider of all universes would be more wise. I do like the Grand Priest though. That's how Zen-Oh's character should be

*sigh*

Again this is the ENTIRE POINT OF HIS CHARACTER. That a God does not have to be wise because hes all powerful.

Why do people have such a hard time grasping this? Maybe because I'm not religious and have no concept of what God should be...IDK.

I understand completely that childishness is the point of his Zen-Oh's character. I just don't get why the writers had to make the all-powerful being like and that is what I can't stand. There is the classic saying that "With power comes responsibility." To me, the writers have granted Zen-Oh unlimited power but no real responsibility of how to properly use it. If someone pisses him off over the slightest thing, they're completely erased. And this whole things about eliminating Universe based on low mortal levels is lazy for an all-powerful God. And all-powerful God should do some research into each Universe and make an informed decision.

The way the Grand Priest character is made is what I consider to be how an all-powerful God should act. To me, there was no need for the writers to have Zen-Oh

[GodKaio-Ken]

I can't stand the childishness of Zen-Oh. You'd think the ultimate decider of all universes would be more wise. I do like the Grand Priest though. That's how Zen-Oh's character should be

*sigh*

Again this is the ENTIRE POINT OF HIS CHARACTER. That a God does not have to be wise because hes all powerful.

Why do people have such a hard time grasping this? Maybe because I'm not religious and have no concept of what God should be...IDK.

I understand completely that childishness is the point of his Zen-Oh's character. I just don't get why the writers had to make the all-powerful being like and that is what I can't stand. There is the classic saying that "With power comes responsibility." To me, the writers have granted Zen-Oh unlimited power but no real responsibility of how to properly use it. If someone pisses him off over the slightest thing, they're completely erased. And this whole things about eliminating Universe based on low mortal levels is lazy for an all-powerful God. And all-powerful God should do some research into each Universe and make an informed decision.

The way the Grand Priest character is made is what I consider to be how an all-powerful God should act. To me, there was no need for the writers to have Zen-Oh

Why should anything matter to Zeno? We dont know if he created everything but we know he is capable of destroying everything.

The idea of Gods not caring about mortals was started in the U6 Tournament Arc with Beerus and Champa. Zeno is just a continuation.

I mean I respect the right to not like him...I just dont find his being childish a big deal.

[Zagacious]

*sigh*

Again this is the ENTIRE POINT OF HIS CHARACTER. That a God does not have to be wise because hes all powerful.

Why do people have such a hard time grasping this? Maybe because I'm not religious and have no concept of what God should be...IDK.

I understand completely that childishness is the point of his Zen-Oh's character. I just don't get why the writers had to make the all-powerful being like and that is what I can't stand. There is the classic saying that "With power comes responsibility." To me, the writers have granted Zen-Oh unlimited power but no real responsibility of how to properly use it. If someone pisses him off over the slightest thing, they're completely erased. And this whole things about eliminating Universe based on low mortal levels is lazy for an all-powerful God. And all-powerful God should do some research into each Universe and make an informed decision.

The way the Grand Priest character is made is what I consider to be how an all-powerful God should act. To me, there was no need for the writers to have Zen-Oh

Why should anything matter to Zeno? We dont know if he created everything but we know he is capable of destroying everything.
The idea of Gods not caring about mortals was started in the U6 Tournament Arc with Beerus and Champa. Zeno is just a continuation.
I mean I respect the right to not like him...I just dont find his being childish a big deal.

It's the fact that he doesn't really seem to care or know about anything, everything he sees is just like an exciting new thing, you'd expect a being like that to take a little more effort to actually surprise and impress, but almost every character he's seen fight has impressed him. It'd be one thing if the whole innocence/naivety thing was just part of his personality, and he's actually extremely wise, but we haven't seen any evidence of the wise part yet, which makes Grand Priest feel more like an actual god than Zeno does.

A god who is the highest of all should be more than just incredibly powerful, and that's pretty much all we're given of him

[Polyphase Avatron]

I am serious, I think it's a strong possibility that they will end up stopping the two zenos from destroying the universes by getting them to turn against each other. Maybe right as it looks like everyone is doomed, Mr. Satan saves the day with words, like he (almost) did with Buu. That would be hilarious.

[Lord Beerus]

I am serious, I think it's a strong possibility that they will end up stopping the two zenos from destroying the universes by getting them to turn against each other. Maybe right as it looks like everyone is doomed, Mr. Satan saves the day with words, like he (almost) did with Buu. That would be hilarious.

I don't think Mr Satan traveled with the Universe 7 team when they went the Tournament Of Power. So unfortunately, that awesome scenario won't happen.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I understand completely that childishness is the point of his Zen-Oh's character. I just don't get why the writers had to make the all-powerful being like and that is what I can't stand. There is the classic saying that "With power comes responsibility." To me, the writers have granted Zen-Oh unlimited power but no real responsibility of how to properly use it. If someone pisses him off over the slightest thing, they're completely erased. And this whole things about eliminating Universe based on low mortal levels is lazy for an all-powerful God. And all-powerful God should do some research into each Universe and make an informed decision.

The way the Grand Priest character is made is what I consider to be how an all-powerful God should act. To me, there was no need for the writers to have Zen-Oh

Why should anything matter to Zeno? We dont know if he created everything but we know he is capable of destroying everything.
The idea of Gods not caring about mortals was started in the U6 Tournament Arc with Beerus and Champa. Zeno is just a continuation.
I mean I respect the right to not like him...I just dont find his being childish a big deal.

It's the fact that he doesn't really seem to care or know about anything, everything he sees is just like an exciting new thing, you'd expect a being like that to take a little more effort to actually surprise and impress, but almost every character he's seen fight has impressed him. It'd be one thing if the whole innocence/naivety thing was just part of his personality, and he's actually extremely wise, but we haven't seen any evidence of the wise part yet, which makes Grand Priest feel more like an actual god than Zeno does.

A god who is the highest of all should be more than just incredibly powerful, and that's pretty much all we're given of him

That is what I'm asking though...why should a God have more than just power? Power is enough to rule and people have no more worth than ants. I feel like he just wants to be entertained and F everything else.

[SansrivaaL]

The reason why I have a soft spot for Zeno is because of the VA, its the same as Ushio's VA from Clannad After Story, and that shit made me cry like a lil bitch (literally one of the few animes that made me tear up) so yeah thats mainly the reason why I like the little rascal.

[Zagacious]

That is what I'm asking though...why should a God have more than just power? Power is enough to rule and people have no more worth than ants. I feel like he just wants to be entertained and F everything else.

Because it's too simple, and it's a contrast to the rest of the gods who mostly seem benevolent and wise and for the most part aren't just destroying things for no reason. They started off making it look like Beerus' would just destroy stuff for no reason, but they've changed the gods now somewhat to seem more reasonable, but Zeno is still there. If the whole destroying universes thing is just a lie to test or punish them, then it gives Zeno some character, but if he is just destroying things for the hell of it, it doesn't make much sense, and IMO makes it a poor character without much depth.

[GodKaio-Ken]

That is what I'm asking though...why should a God have more than just power? Power is enough to rule and people have no more worth than ants. I feel like he just wants to be entertained and F everything else.

Because it's too simple, and it's a contrast to the rest of the gods who mostly seem benevolent and wise and for the most part aren't just destroying things for no reason. They started off making it look like Beerus' would just destroy stuff for no reason, but they've changed the gods now somewhat to seem more reasonable, but Zeno is still there. If the whole destroying universes thing is just a lie to test or punish them, then it gives Zeno some character, but if he is just destroying things for the hell of it, it doesn't make much sense, and IMO makes it a poor character without much depth.

I dont understand why people struggle with the concept that he is portrayed this way in order to show how little anything matters to the (as far as we know right now) highest of Gods.

Its a social commentary about how we as humans try and transfer our own ideals and traits to "God" with no legitimate reason.

[fadeddreams5]

I have a feeling Zen-Oh has a dad who's more than willing to scold him.

[Hellspawn28]

I like that he is a very cute and childish while the other Gods fear him. He kinda reminds me how Franklin Richards is in Marvel by having a little kid with god like powers.

[TheMikado]

I'm not gonna lie, I find him pretty obnoxious. I'm not a fan of any character whose entire personality consists of how "cute" and "innocent" they are, and the fact that he is able to get away with basically having the entire multiverse at his mercy really rubs me the wrong way.

I've always had a problem with Beerus being able to get away with being a petty asshole who destroys things on a whim as well, but at least in his case, there's always been the implication that one day, people like Goku and Vegeta might eventually surpass him. Zen-Oh on the other hand, seems to be at a level of power that makes him completely invincible (which kind of goes against the general theme of Dragon Ball, but I digress). It just frustrates me that we're apparently supposed to like him for being cute, despite the fact that he's basically an omnicidal maniac who no one can do a thing about. The fact that there's now two of him certainly doesn't help...

I'm 1 million percent with you but the series loves to give power to those who seemingly don't deserve it.

I'll start with Zeno and work my way down.

Zeno- what exactly is his job or role? Does he have any actual creation abilities? Even the ring was created from mining ore that already existed in universe 7. What exactly does he do? Did he create the universe? Did it already exist? He seems to not care or be aware of anything. The Future Trunks makes his existence and mental capacity questionable.

Grand Priest- father of the angels and the only one who seems to know what's going on. Still not sure what happened to him in the Future Trunks arc. I have no problem with him other than what his role is supposed to be other than serving Zeno and in what capacity.

Whis- another cool character. Given his role though he seems to be much more merciful and accommodating than he should be. He seems to personally intervene too much.

Beerus - man I hate this guy. He's lazy, incompetent, and reckless. Plus he looks to blame others for his failings rather that putting the effort in to not be a lazy glutton that half-asses his job. And through all that he remains the God of Destruction and super powerful because his boss is Zeno...

Kaioshin - man I like this guy. He may be kinda incompetent but he really genuinely tries and cares. Also like Elder Kai because he also gives a damn.

Less Gods, Yama, King Kai, Kami. Etc. These guys all care to certain extent with varying degrees

[Zagacious]

I dont understand why people struggle with the concept that he is portrayed this way in order to show how little anything matters to the (as far as we know right now) highest of Gods.

Its a social commentary about how we as humans try and transfer our own ideals and traits to "God" with no legitimate reason.

We understand that concept of him not caring about mortal affairs just fine, but you can only take it so far before it stops making sense. It makes sense that he wouldnt particularly care for individual planets, but if he doesn't care about the 12 universes at all that he is ruling over whether they exist or not why is he even there ? What else is there for him to care about? There's not exactly anything happening in the God realm except them watching over the universes. Why are kais guardians if their highest ruler doesn't care ? It's not just a human ideal but him having a preference for destroying something with no actual reason doesn't make any sense unless he is just mindlessly destructive.

Which is why I think the erasing threat is just to teach a lesson and he won't actually erase anything.

[Hellspawn28]

I feel like Zeno's design is something that Toriyama would come up with. I think too many fans thought the leader of the 12 Universes would have some super over the top macho design.

[IntoTheFire]

I have conflicting feelings when it comes to Zeno. On one hand I like seeing him and enjoy scenes with him. On the other I remember he is just about to destroy 7 universes for shits and giggles and I get an overwhelming urge to smack him. Or rather both of them.

[Shinda Forever]

He looks like a retard, but, his voice is very similar to Chiaotzu. In the bottom, he is like Chiaotzu.