"Silent, No Character" Jiren is 100% Toriyama

[Logania]

Dang, that stinks. Think of the fun possibilities of the main antagonist being Jiren with Toppo's personality.

Goku and Vegeta getting their butt whooped by Jiren while he's Justice Dabbing like a mad man

[Lord Frieza]

Then we'd have had people complaining about everything in reverse.

People hated Toppo for his "Justice" and hated Jiren for his "Silence". Why are they going to react any differently if they were switched?

[Logania]

Then we'd have had people complaining about everything in reverse.

People hated Toppo for his "Justice" and hated Jiren for his "Silence". Why are they going to react any differently if they were switched?

Wait, people hate Toppo? Damn thats news to me. I thought he was well liked in the Universe 11 team. He had pretty nice development, and quite charming to me when starting off then became a complete beast when he attained GoD mode.

[Akyon]

I'd actually have loved for Jiren to be this ridiculous justice filled guy. Say what you will, at least he'd have been more notable that way rather than a blander, less concise Hit. I'll take a Ginyu style goofball over the mess that is Jiren's personality we ended up getting any day of the week.

Jiren's so unmemorable I found myself forgetting he existed whilst watching the majority of the ToP arc.

Side note: I only remember Toppo getting hate when he threw his ideals of Justice away and didn't manage to land even a single KO in the whole tournament before being treated like fodder for Vegeta. Not even a single KO. Tien technically did better than Toppo in this tournament even...

[Lord Frieza]

Then we'd have had people complaining about everything in reverse.

People hated Toppo for his "Justice" and hated Jiren for his "Silence". Why are they going to react any differently if they were switched?

Wait, people hate Toppo? Damn thats news to me. I thought he was well liked in the Universe 11 team. He had pretty nice development, and quite charming to me when starting off then became a complete beast when he attained GoD mode.

I love the guy and a he had his fans but for the past year from his introduction to his GoD transformation the majority of comment I've ever read about Toppo were people hating him.

They hated his poses, they hated his funny antics, they hated his "Justice!", they hated his design, they hated his very presence and worst of all he was downplayed and treated as if he was not the guy who Goku was not shore he could beat after their little match.

He didn't have it as bad as Ribrianne but oh boy.... So after a year of that I'm not inclined to belive that jiren would have been thought of any more kindly if he acted the same. He'd have gotten a little more respect due to his power thats it.

On that note, TOPPO IS AWESOME!!!!!

Edit:

Hell a few people seemed to have a lot to complain about him post-transformation even before his defeat.

[Logania]

I love the guy and a he had his fans but for the past year from his introduction to his GoD transformation the majority of comment I've ever read about Toppo were people hating him.

They hated his poses, they hated his funny antics, they hated his "Justice!", they hated his design, they hated his very presence and worst of all he was downplayed and treated as if he was not the guy who Goku was not shore he could beat after their little match.

He didn't have it as bad as Ribrianne but oh boy.... So after a year of that I'm not inclined to belive that jiren would have been thought of any more kindly if he acted the same. He'd have gotten a little more respect due to his power thats it.

On that note, TOPPO IS AWESOME!!!!!

Well damn, I'm not usually the type to rag on people for liking/disliking a character, but they need to cool the hate on my boy lol. Besides the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai, It's the first arc where the antagonists aren't really villains, so them having a Super Hero Team was pretty cool. He bring some light heartedness when it was needed but also having some great moments like talking smack to Vegeta about being a second fiddle and belittling Freeza. Plus he has that Justache.

Side note: I only remember Toppo getting hate when he threw his ideals of Justice away and didn't manage to land even a single KO in the whole tournament before being treated like fodder for Vegeta. Not even a single KO. Tien technically did better than Toppo in this tournament even...

Yeah him not eliminating anybody wasn't a good result for him in the tournament. (I wanted him to eliminate Freeza but what can you do.)

[Black Hawk]

I'm personally not bothered at all by the concept of a "silent, no character" Jiren; it's the execution that bothers me. I was perfectly fine with Jiren's character all the way up until it came down to Universe 7 vs. Universe 11. Once he started talking, he came off as a quiet badass who backed up what few words he spoke at times, which I like, but also came off as a cocky jerk at other times, which I dislike. Now that only two universes remain and Jiren is speaking more than ever, it's really hit-or-miss for me. I've liked him in some episodes and disliked him in others; I often wish that he'd remained "silent, no character" Jiren.

Wait, people hate Toppo? Damn thats news to me. I thought he was well liked in the Universe 11 team. He had pretty nice development, and quite charming to me when starting off then became a complete beast when he attained GoD mode.

I personally didn't like Top at all in the anime, either as regular Top or as destroyer Top, though I'm liking him a lot more in the manga. I'm glad you're fond of him!

[CJStriker_CBR]

Then we'd have had people complaining about everything in reverse.

People hated Toppo for his "Justice" and hated Jiren for his "Silence". Why are they going to react any differently if they were switched?

Wait, people hate Toppo? Damn thats news to me. I thought he was well liked in the Universe 11 team. He had pretty nice development, and quite charming to me when starting off then became a complete beast when he attained GoD mode.

I love the guy and a he had his fans but for the past year from his introduction to his GoD transformation the majority of comment I've ever read about Toppo were people hating him.

They hated his poses, they hated his funny antics, they hated his "Justice!", they hated his design, they hated his very presence and worst of all he was downplayed and treated as if he was not the guy who Goku was not shore he could beat after their little match.

He didn't have it as bad as Ribrianne but oh boy.... So after a year of that I'm not inclined to belive that jiren would have been thought of any more kindly if he acted the same. He'd have gotten a little more respect due to his power thats it.

On that note, TOPPO IS AWESOME!!!!!

Edit:

Hell a few people seemed to have a lot to complain about him post-transformation even before his defeat.

You stated it the Best way you could Lord Frieza, some will complain about a character no matter what they do or what their theme is. Even if you made Jiren Less silent their be complaints about him, Make Toppo less saying justice their be still complaints about him. It is just the way the fandom is and for that matter how many fandoms are, their will be always fans that don't embrace what a character is about and honestly that is ok that is their right to have that, BUT it gets bad when they just keep ragging on those characters non-stop expecting them to either go away or become better by their standards, but the truth is you have 1,001 different people Ragging about New standards for Jiren and you have 1,001 different way in doing that.

With that said it is good to see that you embraced what should be the real truth, You Enjoy who you enjoy and should have the right to express why you like Toppo and Jiren and not worry about to much about the complaints. Yea we can debate when the time is right, but we should spend more time embracing what we like about the characters and showcasing that to other fans to bring them into you views as well as to why that character is so good in your eyes.

Also, Yes, Ribrianne got it Allot, but all it did was make me embrace and realize what makes those that complain about her is what I Truly LOVED about her and that is what I Truly Love about her character, that she embraces true ideals of Love and Caring we see in Many Magical Girl Animes that I love as well.

So that means Toppo, Jiren and Ribrianne might not be those fans cup of tea, but it makes them no less special or important to those fans that they are to them THEIR Cup of Tea!

[CriticalThinker]

I wish Toei would have just given Jiren the original personality they had planned for him. Not saying that would have made him a much better character but at the very least I would have found him more interesting. Also cause I saw others talking about it, Toppo is the best character from U11, followed by Dyspo, everyone else kinda sucked though.

[Amir]

Jiren's "no character" schtick probably would've worked if it wasn't already done with Hit.

Except Hit had a lot of character and was very interesting.

[supersaiyanZero]

So Jiren is fully made by Toriyama. From his "no talking" to his story.

And after all this while people bitched about how Toei Jiren is bad and Manga Jiren is good. Looks like Toei Jiren is the Jiren of TORIYAMA's Vision.

What exactly is your point? It doesn't change the fact that Jiren is an extremely bland, underdeveloped character with ZERO charisma. There are ways to execute the "strong silent type" archetype successfully and this is definitely not one of them. And so what if it's Toriyama? He is not some god. Poor execution is poor execution. Also, you went on a campaign to bash FighterZ simply because it was "2D Fighter" and you were laughed out of that thread very quickly. Your posts display a level of arrogance and delusion that have yet to be matched (Although a certain Super enthusiast does come to mind...)

[Professor Freeza]

So Jiren is fully made by Toriyama. From his "no talking" to his story.

And after all this while people bitched about how Toei Jiren is bad and Manga Jiren is good. Looks like Toei Jiren is the Jiren of TORIYAMA's Vision.

What exactly is your point? It doesn't change the fact that Jiren is an extremely bland, underdeveloped character with ZERO charisma. There are ways to execute the "strong silent type" archetype successfully and this is definitely not one of them. And so what if it's Toriyama? He is not some god. Poor execution is poor execution. Also, you went on a campaign to bash FighterZ simply because it was "2D Fighter" and you were laughed out of that thread very quickly. Your posts display a level of arrogance and delusion that have yet to be matched (Although a certain Super enthusiast does come to mind...)

And thus you are reported for personal attacks.

[PsionicWarrior]

What exactly is your point?

His point is that because the concept of Jiren's character came from Toriyama, Toriyama is to blame for the poor execution... in which he didn't take part.

So no, Jiren as seen in Super is not '100% Toriyama', he just gave basic outlines and Toei ****ed it up is the truth (well, some may disagree but to me they clearly ****ed it up).

[JazzMazz]

What exactly is your point?

His point is that because the concept of Jiren's character came from Toriyama, Toriyama is to blame for the poor execution... in which he didn't take part.

So no, Jiren as seen in Super is not '100% Toriyama', he just gave basic outlines and Toei ****ed it up is the truth (well, some may disagree but to me they clearly ****ed it up).

Though I do feel like they messed up by not having Jiren talk at all, I do feel like this is kind of an extension of them taking Toriyama's words literally.

[TheMikado]

Then we'd have had people complaining about everything in reverse.

People hated Toppo for his "Justice" and hated Jiren for his "Silence". Why are they going to react any differently if they were switched?

Wait, people hate Toppo? Damn thats news to me. I thought he was well liked in the Universe 11 team. He had pretty nice development, and quite charming to me when starting off then became a complete beast when he attained GoD mode.

I love the guy and a he had his fans but for the past year from his introduction to his GoD transformation the majority of comment I've ever read about Toppo were people hating him.

They hated his poses, they hated his funny antics, they hated his "Justice!", they hated his design, they hated his very presence and worst of all he was downplayed and treated as if he was not the guy who Goku was not shore he could beat after their little match.

He didn't have it as bad as Ribrianne but oh boy.... So after a year of that I'm not inclined to belive that jiren would have been thought of any more kindly if he acted the same. He'd have gotten a little more respect due to his power thats it.

On that note, TOPPO IS AWESOME!!!!!

Edit:

Hell a few people seemed to have a lot to complain about him post-transformation even before his defeat.

I’m not a fan of his design but for the most part I’m neutral on him.

What doesn’t make sense is the whole universe 11 vibe.

Toppo hyper justice and leader and 2nd most powerful
With Batman like power jiren who seems like a loner anyway. And then I guess the it’s supposed to be the Justice loving clown.

I prefer the manga interpretation.
The chaotic clown who doesn’t really care for his job.
Jiren seems more heroic and carries the weight of the world.
Toppo is way more serious as a candidate and the pride troopers seem to be a ragtag collection.

I really miss there posing from the anime but that’s it.

[Helios518]

Wow, now I can't stop thinking on how awesome it would be for Geran to have Toppo's personality. Dammit Toriyama, why couldn't you have let Toei slide this one time?

[BlueBasilisk]

Wow, now I can't stop thinking on how awesome it would be for Geran to have Toppo's personality. Dammit Toriyama, why couldn't you have let Toei slide this one time?

Play or watch some videos of Jiren in Xenoverse 2. He's not as bombastic as Toppo but he does act more like that.

[Logania]

Wow, now I can't stop thinking on how awesome it would be for Geran to have Toppo's personality. Dammit Toriyama, why couldn't you have let Toei slide this one time?

Play or watch some videos of Jiren in Xenoverse 2. He's not as bombastic as Toppo but he does act more like that.

Funny enough, when I first got the pack and was playing as Jiren, his english voice and dialogue felt like I was playing Toppo and I wondered why he is so different in this game. He's just missing those poses.

Now that this interview and info came out, I kiiiiinda see why now he's the way he is in it.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Jiren's "no character" schtick probably would've worked if it wasn't already done with Hit.

Except Hit had a lot of character and was very interesting.

Hit only got interesting when Toei decided to do something with him post tournament. The U6 tournament wasn't long so Hit could get away with the whole mysterious angle.

People saying Toriyama gave Toei enough to work with on Jiren is stretching it so people can continue to hate on Toei. Indicating no personality and then saying he doesn't speak is not much to work with at all. Honestly they should have just ignored him, that's the only thing I fault Toei with.

[majinwarman]

Jiren's "no character" schtick probably would've worked if it wasn't already done with Hit.

Except Hit had a lot of character and was very interesting.

Hit only got interesting when Toei decided to do something with him post tournament. The U6 tournament wasn't long so Hit could get away with the whole mysterious angle.

People saying Toriyama gave Toei enough to work with on Jiren is stretching it so people can continue to hate on Toei. Indicating no personality and then saying he doesn't speak is not much to work with at all. Honestly they should have just ignored him, that's the only thing I fault Toei with.

I don't think Toei should ever ignore Toriyama at all. I understand that you want Jiren to be talkative but once you give Toei that power they're going to mess it up. I don't trust Toei with full creative control on Dragon Ball if Toriyama is not involved.