Just how strong is Videl?

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:18 pm

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Well when Godo says:

BTW Videl coudn't make it against an opponent just as strong but with Ki-attacks. Just logical.

Do you mean that just for Videl or anyone with that profile..? I'm sure Yajirobe is stronger if not as strong as Videl and I'm sure he can't wield ki. I figure he can put a decent fight with fighters at his level with ki, like Chaozu or Tao by now (I'm taking into account that Yajirobe trained with Kami, so he could probably fend off Tao out the very least..)

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:41 pm

I mean Videl (not using ki) powerlevel 100 against Kame Sennin (using ki) powerlevel 100...ki is an advantage.

But I guess that if Videl and Kamesennin were just as strong, and Kame Sennin just used techniques and not ki, and Videl used ki, then Kame Sennin would win, because of his experience.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:15 pm

wannywan wrote:All in all, it's really plot device enabling Videl to be able to fight properly in the Tenkaichi Budokai, while also giving us a laugh at how she thinks she is still less powerful than her father.

Well, she's probably physically weaker than Hercule...don't you think she would;ve been like "Holy shniz, I beat my Father's punching machine record"....it's her Ki that makes her overall better.

veshira · Post by **veshira** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:06 pm

In the anime she seems to train a lot physically. Wasn't there a scene where she was training at her father's dojo, and she did over a 1000 punches and kicks, then the sand bag broke and she asked Mr. Satan's students to replace it for her while she took a break?

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:23 pm

Well, Gohan simply feels even before the training Videl has that she's stronger than Mr. Satan (or Hercule, whatever you prefer). <--- Haha, you know what I wrote, right?

I guess Videl to lie around 20-25 in powerlevel before the training. Mr. Satan could be 15-20. After her training I think she lies around 50-55 in powerlevel.
I expect a champion like Panputto to lie around 10-15 in powerlevel.
These are assumptions but show somehow in which range I consider the people to be.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:59 pm

Yajirobe is pretty strong, he's much stronger than Videl. He took on a full power kid Goku and did pretty good as Goku states he's never fought anyone that tuff before. Plus he gets trained by Kami and Popo and takes a sip of that water that makes you stronger.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:18 pm

Drunken Master wrote:Yajirobe is pretty strong, he's much stronger than Videl. He took on a full power kid Goku and did pretty good as Goku states he's never fought anyone that tuff before. Plus he gets trained by Kami and Popo and takes a sip of that water that makes you stronger.

Not to mention he killed a demon.

He just can't use ki.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:54 am

But that raises the question, again, of just how strong Videl IS, especially once Gohan teaches her how to use ki. I dunno exactly how high it is, but I'd personally peg her somewhere between 21st and 22nd Budokai levels in terms of pure strength and speed.

Once she really masters ki, she'd be the pure humans' hope for the next generation to "stand up" for their pride, as she really does seem to be a bit of a prodigy (flight mastered in 10 days).

Like I said: Give her those 10 years of training (minus a year or so for Pan) and I'd put her at Saiyan Saga level human, or even higher.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 5:45 am

Oi, I really need to come by more often. >>

Anyway, only thing I want to reply to here is this:

Isn't physical strength and Ki basically the same thing, though?

Not really. As was mentioned earlier Videl managed to fly pretty well despite her beating she'd taken. Reason being she was using the physical power of just her musslces to dish out damage. The way I see it, once you get the hang of using your Ki, you can push it into your limbs during attacks and make your physical blows stronger via Ki power. But without that, in a straight out fist fight, it comes down to physical might.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:01 am

About Soppovitch (or watever his name is). I put him somewhere between Tao and Tamborine. In addition to his Ki abilities he seemed to have a strange healing factor. Videl kicked him hard enough to break his neck, twisting his head clear around. Only for him to just twist it back on.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:38 am

I thought that was just Majin-derived.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:21 am

Thanos6 wrote:I thought that was just Majin-derived.

Well, when Vegeta got Majin, he didn't get any kind of healing abilities.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:42 am

I think it just depends on your point of view. If you want to look at it from counting everything from Dragon Ball, she was had strength beyond that of being weakened by her flying. If you looked at it in another way, you can just call her a weakling and be done. Meh, I'd go with the first one, I'm not really that bothered.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:37 pm

Godo wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:I thought that was just Majin-derived.
Well, when Vegeta got Majin, he didn't get any kind of healing abilities.

I don't understand Spopovich. In the manga, Goku claimed he couldn't sense his ki and also Spopovich could survive after having his neck broken...

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:37 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:
Godo wrote:
Thanos6 wrote:I thought that was just Majin-derived.
Well, when Vegeta got Majin, he didn't get any kind of healing abilities.
I don't understand Spopovich. In the manga, Goku claimed he couldn't sense his ki and also Spopovich could survive after having his neck broken...

And the fact that he used the Kikoho as well as did Chibi Trunks against Goten according to the Swedish translation. I don't get it, the Kikohoes must be errors. They must've referred to energy beams but mistranslated it.

Goku couldn't feel the Ki of Majin Spopovitch, but he could feel Majin Dabra's Ki very well.

That Spopovitch is a special kind of guy.

Anyways, Videl must be at least three or four times stronger than Panputto from the first Tenkaichi Budokai. That's my impression.

Bardock the Mexican · Post by **Bardock the Mexican** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:13 pm

MartianOddity wrote:And the fact that he used the Kikoho as well as did Chibi Trunks against Goten according to the Swedish translation. I don't get it, the Kikohoes must be errors.

There is a reason for this as it has to do with the Japanese which may be in error. It's like this:
ki=energy
kô=control
hô=cannon
The name for a regular ki blast is kikô-ha or ki use wave. The energy blast is called this due to the fact that there is no word for blast in Japanese. Or if there is, it's not used on the show as far as I know.

MartianOddity · Post by **MartianOddity** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:13 pm

Bardock the Mexican wrote:
MartianOddity wrote:And the fact that he used the Kikoho as well as did Chibi Trunks against Goten according to the Swedish translation. I don't get it, the Kikohoes must be errors.
There is a reason for this as it has to do with the Japanese which may be in error. It's like this:
ki=energy
kô=control
hô=cannon
The name for a regular ki blast is kikô-ha or ki use wave. The energy blast is called this due to the fact that there is no word for blast in Japanese. Or if there is, it's not used on the show as far as I know.

Oh, ok. Then they did it a little bit wrong. The Swedish translation is known to contain some bad translation at some parts like this one.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:03 am

Well, when Vegeta got Majin, he didn't get any kind of healing abilities.

Vegeta was never as injured as badly as Soppovitch was. Since he was likely moderately stronger than SSJ 2 Goku was.

The reason Goku could sense Dabura's Ki was because Dabura was extremely powerful before Babidi gave him an upgrade.

Upon further thought, I think Soppovitch's powers were so different because his power was created from nothing. While in the case of Vegeta and Dabura, he was adding to a great existing supply of power.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:12 pm

Or perhaps Babidi altered Spopovitch or gave him those powers to serve a specific purpose, i.e. going 'undercover; at the tournament.

He wouldn't have with the others because Dabra was his already-powerful right-hand man/greatest weapon (until Buu), and his Majinizing Vegeta was, at first, just to get a big, distracting and energy-outputing fight from Goku.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 3:08 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:
Well, when Vegeta got Majin, he didn't get any kind of healing abilities.
Vegeta was never as injured as badly as Soppovitch was. Since he was likely moderately stronger than SSJ 2 Goku was.

The reason Goku could sense Dabura's Ki was because Dabura was extremely powerful before Babidi gave him an upgrade.

Upon further thought, I think Soppovitch's powers were so different because his power was created from nothing. While in the case of Vegeta and Dabura, he was adding to a great existing supply of power.

Vegeta had a broken arm and some trouble walking. And also, I like to think that Majin Vegeta and SSJ2 Goku were very close, if not equal in power.