It's (not) "TEN-KAI-CHI"!

[MajinVejitaXV]

The Wii controler looks very difficult to use. Leave it to Nintendo to say "Look at all this shit we put on this weird controller. We don't know how what we can do with it, but it looks cool.

I thought it was more along the lines of "Hey, look this is really cool. When you move it, stuff happens. Haha."

But, I've always been a Nintendo Fanboy.

For some reason, I can't help but think of the Sega Activator...

I guess I'm just sad that it's basically a Gamecube with a few upgrades and a gimmicky controller. One that, from what I had read, is not working as flawlessly as they had hoped in their testing.

-Corey

[Mr.Piccolo]

I heard some Wii games can also be used with the gamecube controller or with a remodel at the very least.

[Casual Matt]

The problem is that people are pronouncing it "Ten - Kai - Chi" and not even "Ten - Kai - Ichi"; I have to assume since they're familiar with the name "King Kai", that "Kai" has almost become natural to them, and they're just inferring. They're mostly just not taking into consideration ('cuz how the Hell would they know?) the kanji break-up of the word.

It's true, too. At first I didn't know it was pronounced "Ten-ka-ichi". I thought it was just "Ten-kai-chi" with a "King Kai" sounding "Kai" like you said, simply because that was what I knew, and I'd only seen it in text.

I'd like to say they should take the effort to pronounce things right in commercials and whatnot, but whoever gave it the rename is probably just throwing words around, anyway.

I heard some Wii games can also be used with the gamecube controller or with a remodel at the very least.

True, Sparking Neo included.

You can actually connect GameCube controllers and memory cards to the Wii. So it's totally backwards compatible and a lot of games can use the GCN controller instead of the Wii-mote.

[MajinVejitaXV]

So it's totally backwards compatible and a lot of games can use the GCN controller instead of the Wii-mote.

Hard not to be backwards compatible when the vast majority of the hardware is exactly the same, only with modest increases in clock speed.

-Corey

[BrollysKin]

I dont believe it is the Gamecube controller. They have a special new controller for old games.

[Kendamu]

So it's totally backwards compatible and a lot of games can use the GCN controller instead of the Wii-mote.

Hard not to be backwards compatible when the vast majority of the hardware is exactly the same, only with modest increases in clock speed.

-Corey

I'd take that into consideration if I had the money for any new consoles at all.

*goes back to playing Ultimate Battle 22*

[Rocketman]

*goes back to playing Ultimate Battle 22*

You poor man.

[Kendamu]

*goes back to playing Ultimate Battle 22*

You poor man.

You dont have to remind me that I'm poor. Otherise I'd be playing Super DBZ right now.

[Anonymous Friend]

I don't know if this counts for anything, but the first time it heard it pronounced properly was in the Robot Chicken Dragonball Z skit. It has Goku pronouncing it correctly and the closed caption has it spelled Tenka-ichi.

sorry, can't find the video to link.

[DBZ-Guy]

While it is a retarded way to pronounce i honestly dont think it's that big of a deal. Really, it's only a name. And what were you excpecting? There will always be Americans who dont know much about Dragon Ball or how you spell Japanese words that will have trouble pronouncing the Japanese words.

For some reason, I can't help but think of the Sega Activator...

I guess I'm just sad that it's basically a Gamecube with a few upgrades and a gimmicky controller. One that, from what I had read, is not working as flawlessly as they had hoped in their testing.

-Corey

You cant say it's a gimmick unless you have tried it yourself. End of story. Oh, and Gamecube had the ability to download classic games, online play, graphic as good as 2 Xbox'es, etc, etc.

I dont believe it is the Gamecube controller. They have a special new controller for old games.

No. It is the Gamecube controler. The classic controller as they are calling it is only for classic games downloaded.

[Kendamu]

Wow. That's news to me. Well, that'll solve the problem of people who will be complaining about actually having to *gasp* MOVE while playing video games.

[Olivier Hague]

While it is a retarded way to pronounce i honestly dont think it's that big of a deal. Really, it's only a name. And what were you excpecting? There will always be Americans who dont know much about Dragon Ball or how you spell Japanese words that will have trouble pronouncing the Japanese words.

Which is why they could have picked up a better title for the Western versions, really.

[Mr.Piccolo]

While it is a retarded way to pronounce i honestly dont think it's that big of a deal. Really, it's only a name. And what were you excpecting? There will always be Americans who dont know much about Dragon Ball or how you spell Japanese words that will have trouble pronouncing the Japanese words.

Which is why they could have picked up a better title for the Western versions, really.

Wow, for once I actually agree with you Olivier. I'm sure no one had a problem with Super Dragonball Z (I know there were still people bickering over "Chou" or "Super" but that doesn't count)

[MajinVejitaXV]

You cant say it's a gimmick unless you have tried it yourself. End of story. Oh, and Gamecube had the ability to download classic games, online play, graphic as good as 2 Xbox'es, etc, etc.

Well, if we must go there...

First, I was referring to the hardware. It's basically a Gamecube with a few upgrades, hell even Miyamoto says so.

As for the rest, yes I can call it a gimmicky controller. Why? Because, from my standpoint, it is. I don't personally see the depth people proclaim it will add to gaming, though I may very well be proven wrong.

And the whole 'classic games' thing isn't exactly a Nintendo monopoly. All 3 systems will have downloadable content, and personally it doesn't mean jack to me. I own all the old games I want, and I also have emulated copies so I can line them out to my HDTV with filtering so they don't look like ass (something I doubt any of the three will do, though I hope so on some level).

Gamecube did have online play btw, and where you got graphics "better than 2 Xbox'es" is beyond me since Xbox can handle 720p, whereas the Wii will top out at 480p (assuming they don't yank the digital output, like they did on the Gamecube while proclaiming that no one used it...meanwhile, they were the only ones that they allowed to market cables for Component output, and they only sold them at the online Nintendo store). Might wanna actually read the specifications of the systems before you rattle off half-truths.

My fear is that Nintendo will repeat themselves: Decent launch, game titles steadily thinning, then abandonment of the console early altogether (like they've practically done with the Gamecube now).

-Corey

[BrollysKin]

I dont believe it is the Gamecube controller. They have a special new controller for old games.

No. It is the Gamecube controler. The classic controller as they are calling it is only for classic games downloaded.

Well thats not what I read.

[DBZ-Guy]

You cant say it's a gimmick unless you have tried it yourself. End of story. Oh, and Gamecube had the ability to download classic games, online play, graphic as good as 2 Xbox'es, etc, etc.

Well, if we must go there...

First, I was referring to the hardware. It's basically a Gamecube with a few upgrades, hell even Miyamoto says so.

As for the rest, yes I can call it a gimmicky controller. Why? Because, from my standpoint, it is. I don't personally see the depth people proclaim it will add to gaming, though I may very well be proven wrong.

And the whole 'classic games' thing isn't exactly a Nintendo monopoly. All 3 systems will have downloadable content, and personally it doesn't mean jack to me. I own all the old games I want, and I also have emulated copies so I can line them out to my HDTV with filtering so they don't look like ass (something I doubt any of the three will do, though I hope so on some level).

Gamecube did have online play btw, and where you got graphics "better than 2 Xbox'es" is beyond me since Xbox can handle 720p, whereas the Wii will top out at 480p (assuming they don't yank the digital output, like they did on the Gamecube while proclaiming that no one used it...meanwhile, they were the only ones that they allowed to market cables for Component output, and they only sold them at the online Nintendo store). Might wanna actually read the specifications of the systems before you rattle off half-truths.

My fear is that Nintendo will repeat themselves: Decent launch, game titles steadily thinning, then abandonment of the console early altogether (like they've practically done with the Gamecube now).

-Corey

Well, isnt all next gen consoles an upgraded version of the previous? Apart from graphics i dont really see that much of a different betwen PS3 & Xbox 360 and PS2 & Xbox, they have some new features but it's not all that new. But yeah, Wii may use GC hardware. I'm not going to debate on that. The Wii still has some remarkable new features the GC didnt have tough.

As long as you only say the Wii controller is a gimmick from your standpoint I'm okay with that. It's when people state that the Wii contoler is a gimmick and that theres no debate about it as opposed to saying they personally think the Wii controler is a gimmick but that they could be proven wrong i get mad.

Actually, Xbox cant do 720p. Xbox 360 can display Xbox games in 720p but I wasent talking about Xbox 360, i was talking about the original Xbox. While i do remember that it was announched that Wii could do 2 times the graphic an Xbox could do i actually think it's 2 times the graphic a Gamecube could do now. It's still a remarkable jump in graphic showing another difference betwen Gamecube and Wii tough.

Oh, come on, Gamecube did have online but as far as i know it was only for "Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" wich is not very much. While there is not confirmed many launch games that Will have online Wii wil suposedly have many more online games than the one Gamecube had.

Anyway, lets not turn this off topic. My first post was only to show that there was a difference betwen Wii and Gamecube and while Wii may be running on Gamecube hardware it's still very different from Gamecube not only in terms of controler.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Well, isnt all next gen consoles an upgraded version of the previous? Apart from graphics i dont really see that much of a different betwen PS3 & Xbox 360 and PS2 & Xbox, they have some new features but it's not all that new.

An upgrade in that they replace the former incarnations, yes. An upgrade as in they're the exact same chips with increases and clock speed and the like? No. That's why they can't achieve perfect backwards compatibility without legacy hardware or software emulation, whereas the Wii can. It's a Gamecube that's overclocked (not exactly, since it's factory made for the clock speeds its running, but you get my point).

Actually, Xbox cant do 720p. Xbox 360 can display Xbox games in 720p but I wasent talking about Xbox 360, i was talking about the original Xbox.

I've used two Xboxes (one was a launch unit my ex owned, and my current one is the 'Halo' limited edition one), and both can output 720p signals. I was just playing Mortal Kombat Armageddon earlier and my TV clearly recognized it as a native 720p signal. Xbox360, however, can upconvert 480p games to 720p, according to my quick research online. I don't own one myself.

Oh, come on, Gamecube did have online but as far as i know it was only for "Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II" wich is not very much. While there is not confirmed many launch games that Will have online Wii wil suposedly have many more online games than the one Gamecube had.

Lack of use by developers doesn't mean the hardware couldn't handle it. Now, you could say Nintendo has overhauled their online service, just as Sony has, but it was available on current gen hardware.

Anyway, lets not turn this off topic. My first post was only to show that there was a difference betwen Wii and Gamecube and while Wii may be running on Gamecube hardware it's still very different from Gamecube not only in terms of controler.

It's as different as the games make it. From a purely technological perspective though, the jump from a 485Mhz Power PC processor to a faster Power PC processor is an upgrade whereas the PS3's jump from the Emotion Engine to the Cell processor is a completely different beast. Which is fine, since Nintendo isn't marketing it as a technological breakthrough. Let's just hope Nintendo and the third-party devs give this generation an interesting body of software, because without it they won't get my money this time around.

Back on topic, just wanted to answer this post.

-Corey

[Casual Matt]

Ahh! Techno-babble.

This is why I like Nintendo. I can have fun playing Mario games instead of trying to figure out all the technological gobbildy gook that justifies paying 600 dollars on a PS3.

Don't get me wrong. I'm sure PS3 and X-Box 360 are all well and technologically advanced and all that jazz. I just don't care.

Personally, I buy games to have fun, and that's what it looks like Wii will offer. That and free* online? All for a nice little price tag compared to something like PS3.

*I heard it somewhere. Don't take my word for it. But it'd make sense since DS has basically the same thing.

[Kaboom]

Roshi my man, you've nailed it.

Nintendo recently has been all about finding new ways to just have fun. No, the Wii isn't as powerful a machine as the XB360 or PS3, and the DS isn't as powerful as the PSP, but who cares? I strongly applaud Nintendo for how innovative and "different" they've been striving to be in their new systems. It's all about being unique, rather than just uber-powerful in graphics and such.


EDIT: But they'd better have Zelda: Ocarina of Time up for download. I sooo want to play that game again.

[MajinVejitaXV]

It's all about being unique, rather than just uber-powerful in graphics and such.

Which will be fine if they have the software to support their home console this time around. Otherwise, why should we buy the very nearly same hardware over again, I ask you?

-Corey