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Mad Swami
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by Mad Swami » Mon May 25, 2020 4:41 pm
Kagari wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 4:37 pm
Mad Swami wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 4:27 pm
Kagari wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 4:24 pm
The others start following his lead after Piccolo goes out against the robots and during the fight with U11, which is fine. He didn't have to protect Piccolo anymore, and before that Goku does use some of the strategies that Gohan came up with with him. Gohan even gets Freeza of all people to follow his plans, which is a stark contrast from what happened during their encounter in RoF.
He does change through the arc. His development begins before the tournament even starts where, as I mentioned, Piccolo beats it into him that he needs to put his heart into it and shed his arrogance. He puts those developments
into practice during the tournament proper. But he definitely ends the arc having gone through those developments that started well before.
Doesn't Frieza come up with that plan? And what strategies does Goku use, I remember him using Krillin's Destructo Disc stratagy but not one of Gohan's.
Not to mention, he isn't arrogant in the tournament. By that point he is way more calm and focused. Gohan's Dyspo moment was good I don't not like it, but it's just not fair to say he really was a major player. His more important part was fighting Toppo with 17 honestly.
But I guess that's better than what they do with Vegeta
No, Gohan comes up with the plan to trap Dyspo. The other strategies Goku specifically mentions such as creating a barrier to counter the U9 team or how to specifically beat Botamo, for example. There's a lot of bits and pieces in the dialogue that can be easily missed.
Again, Gohan sheds the arrogance so he can be confident in the tournament itself, that's the development. Said development comes full circle when it's Piccolo who falters doing the same thing he chastised Gohan for and it's Gohan who ends up saving him in a brilliant role reversal. How can he not be a major player when he eliminated one of the U11 big three, the likes of which would have taken out Freeza if Gohan hadn't saved him, and if allowed to run free, would have amounted to U7's loss.
I don't know I think because Dyspo doesn't lend well to his character arc. Maybe if Dyspo's arrogance helped him secure the win against him I would have preferred it, but all that happens is him and Frieza use a great plan. The moment is cool and well done, but it's the same as the Aniraza fight only slightly better. Overall kind of meaningless for the characters outside of just being a threat