What would be the breaking point Super would do that would make you feel like it jumped the shark?

[SupremeKai25]

What can I say, good for you, I guess...

I mean, you claim they were not concerned at the end, when Trunks literally breaks down in tears, but okay. The only one who didn't seem concerned was Mai, but then again she didn't know about Future Gohan.

[DBPirate]

If we're going by the TVTropes definition presented on the first page, I can't really think of anything that would make the show feel as if it "jumped the shark".

However, there would be a few things that would get me to stop watching it. For one, if the manga (assuming the anime adapts it without any changes) continues to ape things from other sagas, like the blatant similarities between the designs of the sludge Moro and huge Cell and the Senzu bean situation, I'll probably lose interest.

If SS4 is made canon, I'd be a little annoyed unless the design was radically changed and made less dated-looking. It would show that the writers were now willing to do anything just if fans demanded it. For me, GT sorta jumped the shark in the first episode when we were just supposed to buy that there was an entirely different set of Dragon Balls at Kami's Lookout created by Kami that will blow up the Earth if used but that Kami nor Mr. Popo nor King Kai (who all knew about them) bothered to mention until they had already been used. I can't believe that's given a pass by anyone.

[Kinokima]

I think there were a lot of really poor writing decisions and retcons but something that would get me to personally stop watching again would be making Vegeta turn evil again or making him do something that would endanger the Earth for selfish reasons.

[Matches Malone]

I think there were a lot of really poor writing decisions and retcons but something that would get me to personally stop watching again would be making Vegeta turn evil again or making him do something that would endanger the Earth for selfish reasons.

They've definitely been throwing that idea around, as we got an evil Copy Vegeta and a Heroes Baby Vegeta. I think it's only a matter of time before something flips him to the other side.

[Kinokima]

I think there were a lot of really poor writing decisions and retcons but something that would get me to personally stop watching again would be making Vegeta turn evil again or making him do something that would endanger the Earth for selfish reasons.

They've definitely been throwing that idea around, as we got an evil Copy Vegeta and a Heroes Baby Vegeta. I think it's only a matter of time before something flips him to the other side.

I mean both those times it’s not Vegeta turning evil again just something making use of his body. Don’t really like that storyline particularly either. I really hated it in GT.

If that’s as far as they go I can live with that. But a deliberate action on Vegeta’s part is something different.

[precita]

Freeza becoming a good guy would be a big one for me. Given most of Goku's enemies become his friends I was fearing they were heading toward that route by the end of the TOP but thank god it didn't happen. Freeza is just as villainous as ever.

Considering they haven't had him appear since the Broly movie I assume they're saving him for some big arc down the line and then to finish him once and for all. Still want to see how he planned to overthrow the Zeno's and all the God's.

[PurestEvil]

Freeza becoming a good guy would be a big one for me. Given most of Goku's enemies become his friends I was fearing they were heading toward that route by the end of the TOP but thank god it didn't happen. Freeza is just as villainous as ever.

Considering they haven't had him appear since the Broly movie I assume they're saving him for some big arc down the line and then to finish him once and for all. Still want to see how he planned to overthrow the Zeno's and all the God's.

This is a very good one. I don't think they can make him good, because I am pretty sure that he refused to repent even in Hell, so it would be a plot contradiction if he did reform.

[Mister_Popo]

I can accept some degree of fanservice, but something like purple haired Mastered Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan would kinda jump the shark for me.

[Kinokima]

Freeza becoming a good guy would be a big one for me. Given most of Goku's enemies become his friends I was fearing they were heading toward that route by the end of the TOP but thank god it didn't happen. Freeza is just as villainous as ever.

Considering they haven't had him appear since the Broly movie I assume they're saving him for some big arc down the line and then to finish him once and for all. Still want to see how he planned to overthrow the Zeno's and all the God's.

Though Goku and Freeza finishing off Jiren together with the heroic music playing in the background kind of felt like a jumping the shark moment to me lol

[Psajdak]

I had some thoughts about post EoZ canon Bra training under Beerus to succeed him, OR becoming all rebellious, and joining Freeza's army.

...

I mean, hey, we live in a world where Freeza probably more powerful than any character up to the DBGT - not sure about SS4 Gogeta, but still...
Also, Pilaf, Mai, and Shu are now part of Goku's friends, canon Broly is rather likeable, AND that some random random guy, wizard, or whatever he was in DBZ who sealed old Kaioshin in Z Sword, and who had less exposure than even Jiren's master, actually became of the most important characters of the current Dragon Ball era.

Anything can happen, for better, or for worse.

[ChronoTwigger]

Well, DB entirely jumped the shark since androids arc. They started the retcon chain for the "shock!" effect, only to turn everything told so far inconsistent and losing control on the script.

As for Super, it jumped the shark even before drawing a single line, due the dull reasons the pantheon (in the person of Beerus) was introduced. Being forced to characters/audience, and so lacking any plot incentive, it look pretentious the whole time.

It doesn't mean the thing is sick, there is worst stuff around (like what they did once with Saint Seiya), but you'll always perceive a subconscious idea that there's a great wasted potential, somehow, if the thing was told differently.

[Super Murjin]

I'm still enjoying Dragon Ball.

I don't think Super Dragon Ball Heroes is a good thing though for the franchise.
That show is getting a bit much. It's like depicting a child playing with his action figures in his play pen. No story no real plot, just a mashing up fights mostly that have no real purpose.

Totally cool with Dragon Ball Super and what it has accomplished.

It defs didn't wreck the franchise like movies such as Last Jedi did for me for Star Wars.

Hopefully it never comes to that for Dragon Ball.

[Grimlock]

Then it's a good thing Dragon Ball Heroes anime is region locked and therefore not supposed for any random Western people to watch it being bad for the franchise, isn't? Assuming you're talking specifically about the anime, that is.

[precita]

Dragon Ball Heroes is all uploaded on youtube by fans, some people even edited the whole thing together as one long movie.

[TheSaiyanGod]

It encapsulates every negative stereotype normies associate with Dragon Ball: two beefy screaming guys changing their hair/skin colours and punching and firing blasts at each other repeatedly until one falls down

Can't you say exactly the same thing about Broly movie? With even more fanservice by introducing two popular non-canon characters into the original story (one of which being the absolute portrait of how people view Dragon Ball) to appeal the fans?

[JulieYBM]

Revealing that Gokuu is an alien or something would be so cringe.

[PurestEvil]

Revealing that Gokuu is an alien or something would be so cringe.

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[precita]

With any luck they've run out of hair colors for new Super Saiyan forms:

- Blonde
- Red
- Blue
- Silver
- Green is for Broly/Kale so Goku won't get it
- Rose is Goku Black only

Besides that forms that change appearance entirely like SSJ3 and SSJ4 is something Toriyama has moved away from, so I also don't think we'll ever get something like that again either.

With any luck the new Super Saiyan forms out of nowhere are done. Only thing they could still do is Purple I guess but I hope not. Unless they make Ultra Ultra Ultra Instinct.

[Lord Beerus]

If Super were to steer from its core focus on high fantasy martial arts and became something like a slice of life series, that I feel would be betraying what Dragon Ball represents. Retcons, fanservice, callbacks and homage are neutral narrative concepts that can work in the hands of a very talented writer. But taking Dragon Ball and turning into something it never was, for me, would be the moment when Dragon Ball becomes unrecognisable and I wouldn't want to be a part of it.

[emperior]

There’s no breaking point. If it ceases to entertain me and becomes boring for too long, without anything interesting in prospect, then I would probably quit.

That doesn’t mean I would never read/watch anything new but I probably wouldn’t be involved at all in discussing it on only forums. And it also means I would probably stop watching/reading everything that comes out as soon as it drops.

Surely a reveal/retcon/new hair color that I dislike, or even hate, will never be enough to make me quit it.