If Daima becomes non-canon to Super, then what was the point?

[SupremeKai25]

If people stop buying the intended products, they cancel it, like they did with the Super anime.

The Super anime wasn't cancelled. Also, unless you can show some numbers, then it's your baseless assumption that people "stopped buying the intended products".

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Super's anime was extremely successful; its conclusion had more to do with internal issues at the companies involved due to a disagreement on the franchise's future.

[FinalForumPodcast]

The point is, sadly, to cater to a different corner of the Dragon Ball market/fandom than Super did. For Toriyama, it was a fun creative exercise, but the reality is it's just there to sell stuff to people who didn't buy Super.

It's funny reading comments here and on social media and seeing how some people say GT 'ruined' Dragon Ball. Or Super did. Or Daima has...and even among the more rational takes, from people who understand that nobody and nothing can really RUIN whatever it is that you liked about the original Dragon Ball/Z, the differing thoughts on whether GT or Super or Daima most "gets" the "essence" of Dragon Ball. It in a way proves the point of the exercise: everyone has a different opinion of what makes Dragon Ball Dragon Ball, and therefore, the "powers that be" are attempting to appeal to all those different ideas over the course of these many projects.

I personally think Daima has missed the point in a LOT of ways. Just throwing out nostalgia with no story or impact tied to it has really bummed me out. Everyone is clapping and cheering for "canon" SSJ3 and SSJ4 (whatever 'canon' even means in Dragon Ball anymore) and I just wish there had been any IMPACT tied to those things. Obtaining a new form in Dragon Ball was, to me, always tied to a story element in some way, but with Daima, Neva just gives Goku a little juice, he turns red and then...that's it? It bothers me that the ONLY reason it feels like anyone would/should care about SSJ4 in the context of THIS show is if they already cared about it from having seen it in GT. Super had its share of nostalgia too, but it always at least felt like the characters were aware of the importance/impact of that moment recurring. In Daima it just happens so long-time fans can clap....and that the show has generally been met with people going "Hm. Whatever" until they trotted out some shiny forms for people to clap at bums me out MORE.

I was digging the silly adventure and fun. I love/loved Kuu and Duu being silly and the Minotaur guy remains one of my highlights of the show. I feel like I'm in the minority on that when the episode where Goku went SSJ4, that I found really underwhelming, crashed Crunchyroll's servers. Seems like this is the future of Dragon Ball: make nostalgic stuff 'canon' and let fans clap at it.
And hey, I'm not even judging if that's your bag; people can like stuff for all different reasons and as long as your enjoyment isn't hurting anyone, or at anyone's expense, then that's cool. It just ain't for me.

[Jord]

Super's anime was extremely successful; its conclusion had more to do with internal issues at the companies involved due to a disagreement on the franchise's future.

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

From what I've seen in this other topic, I see dropped ratings:
viewtopic.php?t=30872

[super michael]

DBS did ruin some characters, due to how bad they were written in the anime. At time there was no quality control.
They just wrote whatever they wanted, not caring if it made sense or if it contradicts Dragon Ball manga.

Many people got tired of dumb Goku in DBS, people wanted other characters to replace him as the main character.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

Merchandise and game sales were at an all time high during Super's run. Super's two movies were by far the most successful in the entire franchise. Super's manga, which is published in a side magazine, has continued to perform very well in sales.

[Jord]

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

Merchandise and game sales were at an all time high during Super's run. Super's two movies were by far the most successful in the entire franchise. Super's manga, which is published in a side magazine, has continued to perform very well in sales.

I am not talking about merchandise nor movies nor manga.
GT merchandise continues to sell good as well. That's not an indication GT is coming back.
What are your sources on why Super the anime ended?

[SupremeKai25]

Super's anime was extremely successful; its conclusion had more to do with internal issues at the companies involved due to a disagreement on the franchise's future.

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

From what I've seen in this other topic, I see dropped ratings:
viewtopic.php?t=30872

Do you have concrete sources that Super was "cancelled" and that anime ratings correlate to people buying merchandise? I thought so.

Also, those are just TV ratings. We're in the era of online streaming and it's well known that Ultra Instinct caused streaming websites to malfunction and the final episodes were live-streamed in front of huge audiences.

It's not the 1990s anymore. A lot of people now watch new episodes on online websites for streaming.

You're simply wrong. The Super anime was not a failure.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

Merchandise and game sales were at an all time high during Super's run. Super's two movies were by far the most successful in the entire franchise. Super's manga, which is published in a side magazine, has continued to perform very well in sales.

I am not talking about merchandise nor movies nor manga.
GT merchandise continues to sell good as well. That's not an indication GT is coming back.
What are your sources on why Super the anime ended?

Fun fact a SS4 Gogeta figure released last month and it was the highest ordered DB prize figure in Japan since October 2020!

Super's anime was extremely successful; its conclusion had more to do with internal issues at the companies involved due to a disagreement on the franchise's future.

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

From what I've seen in this other topic, I see dropped ratings:
viewtopic.php?t=30872

Do you have concrete sources that Super was "cancelled" and that anime ratings correlate to people buying merchandise? I thought so.

Also, those are just TV ratings. We're in the era of online streaming and it's well known that Ultra Instinct caused streaming websites to malfunction and the final episodes were live-streamed in front of huge audiences.

It's not the 1990s anymore. A lot of people now watch new episodes on online websites for streaming.

You're simply wrong. The Super anime was not a failure.

Another fun fact during the peak of DBS in 2018 into 2019 Bandai were slapping the DBS logo on everything even non DBS related things that's how popular DBS was! Toei killed all the hype having it off air so long or waiting so long to release SUPER HERO

Also whats interesting is Bandai ignored DBS merch for 2 years after Toei merch banned SUPER HERO for a year (everyone lost interest in Beast etc) but they've started re-commercialising DBS again from June of this year in fact all 5 DB series are being commercialised simultaneously this year so "canon" really doesn't matter.

[SupremeKai25]

Another fun fact during the peak of DBS in 2018 into 2019 Bandai were slapping the DBS logo on everything even non DBS related things that's how popular DBS was! Toei killed all the hype having it off air so long or waiting so long to release SUPER HERO

They had the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime, which seems to be popular enough, at least in the online circles I visit and the anecdotal experiences I have had (memes I've seen, videos, threads, etc). I actually see that mini anime series get brought up a lot, especially through memes. All anecdotal.

Regardless, they had an anime product branded Super after the main anime ENDED.

[Jord]

Super's anime was extremely successful; its conclusion had more to do with internal issues at the companies involved due to a disagreement on the franchise's future.

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

From what I've seen in this other topic, I see dropped ratings:
viewtopic.php?t=30872

Do you have concrete sources that Super was "cancelled" and that anime ratings correlate to people buying merchandise? I thought so.

Sure.
How about the fact that the last episode of the anime aired March 25, 2018 and there hasn't been any episode of the anime produced since? That's almost 7 years without a single new episode. They stopped producing the weekly anime. Seems pretty cancelled to me.

[SupremeKai25]

Do you have concrete sources on that or is it just Internet hearsay?

From what I've seen in this other topic, I see dropped ratings:
viewtopic.php?t=30872

Do you have concrete sources that Super was "cancelled" and that anime ratings correlate to people buying merchandise? I thought so.

Sure.
How about the fact that the last episode of the anime aired March 25, 2018 and there hasn't been any episode of the anime produced since? That's almost 7 years without a single new episode. They stopped producing the weekly anime. Seems pretty cancelled to me.

Or maybe the anime ended because it finished adapting the Tournament of Power saga.

[Cipher]

They're already so hard to reconcile story-wise that I'm basically in the camp of assuming they're their own things with shared cosmology (universe designation numbers, the Namekians' origin, etc.) until told otherwise.

[Hellspawn28]

I used to be one of those people who cared about canon, but not anymore. I think every DB series outside of the main manga are set in their own universe.

[super michael]

I really hope that the Moro Chapter, Granolah and DBS Super Hero chapters gets animated. I want to see Moro and Granolah in anime.
Seeing that Daima turned out good, I guess there is hope that the anime would turn out good.

Plus when those chapters get animated, then those forms and characters can get added to the games.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

They're already so hard to reconcile story-wise that I'm basically in the camp of assuming they're their own things with shared cosmology until told otherwise.

If Goku keeps Ssj4 then they're not connected.

I think every DB series outside of the main manga are set in their own universe.

Each sequel series (GT, Super, Daima) is connected to the original manga, however none of these series are connected to each other. The original manga basically has three branching paths that don't meet anywhere along the way.

I really hope that the Moro Chapter, Granolah and DBS Super Hero chapters gets animated.

They will; there's too much money for them not to.

[LuckyLuke]

Honestly, seeing the entire fandom, including people like Geekdom101 or MasakoX being SO SURE that Daima will tie-in to Super and not at all contradict it is just so funny to me.

Geekdom quite literally got everything right about this series, including SSJ3 Vegeta, those Majin gremlins, and SSJ4. Clearly his insider sources are reliable this time (unlike that time in 2019 where he swore DBS would come back).

If he says the final episode will link to DBS, I might believe it. So far he's been right about the new forms and new villains.

Geekdom does not know everything about every episode. He only knows about the new pgs, forms, and fusions, but not everything else in the story. And sometimes he has a habit of mixing leaks with his own theories/headcanon.

[Peach]

I really hope that the Moro Chapter, Granolah and DBS Super Hero chapters gets animated. I want to see Moro and Granolah in anime.
Seeing that Daima turned out good, I guess there is hope that the anime would turn out good.

Plus when those chapters get animated, then those forms and characters can get added to the games.

Would you be open to seeing them as story modes in games if they weren’t ever animated as a show or movie?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Would you be open to seeing them as story modes in games if they weren’t ever animated as a show or movie?

Manga only content, be it for DB or other series, aren't allowed to appear in games before animation. There are rare exceptions, but that's all they are, exceptions.

[Peach]

Would you be open to seeing them as story modes in games if they weren’t ever animated as a show or movie?

Manga only content, be it for DB or other series, aren't allowed to appear in games before animation. There are rare exceptions, but that's all they are, exceptions.

Do you have a source on that?