Series character designer Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru says a Dragon Ball remake is possible

[Dbzfan94]

If this remake ever happens I’m already seeing the canon debates over it. “Remake retcons Z anime!!” “Remake isn’t canon!!” like people have been doing with Daima vs Super’s various continuities. The day this fanbase stops treating canon like the Bible is a good day.

[PhantomSaiyan]

Idk about THAT lol it's basically the same story.
This type of discourse could only happen if the remake decides to go a different route and change things in the original manga, but even then, it's the same story and I don't think they would change that much, otherwise it would not be a remake but a rewrite, and since toriyama is dead, who would even consider it canon?

Not to mention how the Z filler is basically already considered non canon by literally everyone, so what would even change? The timeline of events we consider canon would not change one bit since both Z and this hypothetical remake would adapt the same exact manga

[Vegeta th3 4th]

The day this fanbase stops treating canon like the Bible is a good day.

Considering the Z anime has THREE different sequels that don't line up with each other at all, as well as 13 movies that are all over the place, it would be nice if someone official clarified things a bit. A few years ago we got a chart from V-Jump at a convention showing Super and GT on the same timeline...

[PhantomSaiyan]

A few years ago we got a chart from V-Jump at a convention showing Super and GT on the same timeline...

It is strange that they bothered to specify in which years each show takes place in while not caring how they don't flow into each other at all. I think that as far as they're concerned, that's just a "here's all of our official products, watch them all" timeline, best way to sell toys from every show.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I think that as far as they're concerned, that's just a "here's all of our official products, watch them all" timeline, best way to sell toys from every show.

That's how I view things as well; they don't want to risk losing a single $ by announcing something is "canon" while another isn't.

[Banduck]

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

[JulieYBM]

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

They cast a wider net with less blood. Not every network will air it if there is blood and it's less of a headache for them to prepare multiple versions with differing levels of violence.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan were made by single authors with a single vision. Dragon Ball is a series made by committee, with guidelines to follow from their corporate overlords.

[MasenkoHA]

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

Demon Slayer and Attack on Titan were made by single authors with a single vision. Dragon Ball is a series made by committee, with guidelines to follow from their corporate overlords.

Who also have anime series that have multiple people involved not just a single person. This isn't uniquely a Dragon Ball thing

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

Their anime series aren't made by Toei. Toei is a lot more conscious about their international licensee

Way back in the early 2000s rep from ADV mentioned they couldn't get Sailor Moon Stars licensed in the States because Toei was concerned the content would ruin Sailor Moon's friendly family image in the U.S.


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[Vegeta th3 4th]

Who also have anime series that have multiple people involved not just a single person. This isn't uniquely a Dragon Ball thing.

Their anime adaptions are based off manga written by a single author, Dragon Ball Super and recently Daima weren't. They were the brain child of a committee led by Iyoko and the dragon room. The last time Dragon Ball was the story of a single person was the Buu arc back in 1994 and 1995.

[AliTheZombie13]

What I don’t get about the whole 'Dragon Ball can’t have blood anymore so it can be marketed internationally' argument is that there are tons of super successful anime out there that are way bloodier than Dragon Ball ever was. Like Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, both insanely popular and watched by kids & teens all over the world. So why is every other anime allowed to have blood, but Dragon Ball isn’t?

You're vastly simplifying what happens when a TV show is greenlit.
Often, creators have to go through multiple networks and make several compromises to get a network to accept their project.
Not every single network is the same and they might have different standards as to what is and what isn't acceptable.
And very often, creators have to fight to get content that represent their artistic vision to be broadcast.
Case in point: Toriyama's editors didn't allow him to make Goku grow up, until he threatened to cease production.

One network might think death and blood in a cartoon will result in mobs of angry parents suing them or even taking fines from a government entity for showing such content to their kids and probably violating age-appropriate content laws, while another network might not think that. Either way, in the eyes of some companies, that is a financial risk, one that Toei in particular doesn't seem interested in taking, given their stance with Super and Daima.

I don't know what was going on with the companies behind Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer, but they're not Toei. Toei has been very consistently firm on their stance that blood and extreme violence has no place in Dragon Ball anymore.

[Kulilin]

After watching modern day seasonal anime like Attack on Titan, Chainsaw Man, Jujutsu Kaisen, Demon Slayer, etc with beautiful jaw dropping animation, zero filler and fast pacing, I am actually super stoked for the Studio Witt One Piece remake. Anime was starting to really feel stale to me, especially the long running weekly anime with mediocre and inconsistent animation with slow pacing and tons of filler like Naruto, (old) Bleach, etc etc. The new seasonal stuff like Thousand Year Blood War and other series show how beautiful anime can be. I’m looking forward to the One Piece remake as a sort of “masterpiece”-edition of the anime. With that in mind, I would welcome Dragonball receiving the same treatment. If done right, a Dragonball remake can be a work of art and absolutely justify its existence. The original will also still exist, and the original hand drawn series will always have an irreplicable charm.

[MasenkoHA]

Who also have anime series that have multiple people involved not just a single person. This isn't uniquely a Dragon Ball thing.

Their anime adaptions are based off manga written by a single author, Dragon Ball Super and recently Daima weren't. They were the brain child of a committee led by Iyoko and the dragon room. The last time Dragon Ball was the story of a single person was the Buu arc back in 1994 and 1995.

The anime adaptions are still going to have multiple people involved in how the show is marketed and sold. You're talking about a completey separate issue

[tonysoprano300]

I could be wrong on this but the original DB was already censored no? The tournament with Uranai Baba has a moment where I think a 17 year old Bulma(?) gets her shirt ripped off and that leads Roshi to spray blood out his nose covering the invisible man and ultimately exposing him. Which of course led to his defeat by Yamcha.

But there were other versions that showed Krillin pouring soup on him instead IIRC

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

It takes time and money to do that, both of which they're not interested in spending.

[JulieYBM]

I could be wrong on this but the original DB was already censored no? The tournament with Uranai Baba has a moment where I think a 17 year old Bulma(?) gets her shirt ripped off and that leads Roshi to spray blood out his nose covering the invisible man and ultimately exposing him. Which of course led to his defeat by Yamcha.

But there were other versions that showed Krillin pouring soup on him instead IIRC

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

I mean...it's pretty embarrassing to be writing that kind of scene for comedic effect involving a minor.

[MasenkoHA]

I could be wrong on this but the original DB was already censored no? The tournament with Uranai Baba has a moment where I think a 17 year old Bulma(?) gets her shirt ripped off and that leads Roshi to spray blood out his nose covering the invisible man and ultimately exposing him. Which of course led to his defeat by Yamcha.

But there were other versions that showed Krillin pouring soup on him instead IIRC

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

Fuimation made that infamous tomato soup edit for thr Toonami broadcast version, yeah. But Toei doesn’t really make edited and unedited versions themselves. Kai didn’t get an uncut version it was just censored and companies like Funimation edited it further for domestic television as needed.

Like y’all Kai, Super, and Daima exist. It should be blatantly obvious that any hypothetical modern adaptation of the manga is going to be toned down as produced by Toei. You can say what about this and what about that but it’s just clear what would actually happen

[tonysoprano300]

I could be wrong on this but the original DB was already censored no? The tournament with Uranai Baba has a moment where I think a 17 year old Bulma(?) gets her shirt ripped off and that leads Roshi to spray blood out his nose covering the invisible man and ultimately exposing him. Which of course led to his defeat by Yamcha.

But there were other versions that showed Krillin pouring soup on him instead IIRC

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

I mean...it's pretty embarrassing to be writing that kind of scene for comedic effect involving a minor.

That is true. I am actually curious as how that would be handled, the blood and gore you can pretty easily remove without affecting the story much at all, you can argue that certain moments wouldn’t feel quite as devastating without it like Nappa’s onslaught against the Dragon team but the actual outcome would be the same.

The weird sexual innuendo shit is tied to plot outcomes though. Like in the example i just mentioned Krillin uses Muten Roshi’s perverted nature to strategically help Yamcha win a fight. The training arcs for both Goku and Krillin in the 20th World Martial Arts Tournament saga involved getting him porn mags and finding women for him. Etc.

I wonder if they would actually bother changing that stuff, Super did feature Roshi practically almost assaulting Yurin in the TOP recruitment episodes so I have my doubts.

[JulieYBM]

I could be wrong on this but the original DB was already censored no? The tournament with Uranai Baba has a moment where I think a 17 year old Bulma(?) gets her shirt ripped off and that leads Roshi to spray blood out his nose covering the invisible man and ultimately exposing him. Which of course led to his defeat by Yamcha.

But there were other versions that showed Krillin pouring soup on him instead IIRC

What's stopping from just having an edited and unedited version this time around?

I mean...it's pretty embarrassing to be writing that kind of scene for comedic effect involving a minor.

That is true. I am actually curious as how that would be handled, the blood and gore you can pretty easily remove without affecting the story much at all, you can argue that certain moments wouldn’t feel quite as devastating without it like Nappa’s onslaught against the Dragon team but the actual outcome would be the same.

The weird sexual innuendo shit is tied to plot outcomes though. Like in the example i just mentioned Krillin uses Muten Roshi’s perverted nature to strategically help Yamcha win a fight. The training arcs for both Goku and Krillin in the 20th World Martial Arts Tournament saga involved getting him porn mags and finding women for him. Etc.

I wonder if they would actually bother changing that stuff, Super did feature Roshi practically almost assaulting Yurin in the TOP recruitment episodes so I have my doubts.

That's the thing: they should change these plot elements, because they're disgusting and it's embarrassing to make this stuff and then try to put it out there, let alone market it towards kids.

[SSGpotota]

I’d love to see a remake in the style of the Red Ribbon flashback from Super Hero.

I know it’s unrealistic, but it would be amazing if they not only adapted the original manga but also integrated other Dragon Ball media—Super, Daima, the movies, the specials, etc.—into one cohesive story.

They could treat all Dragon Ball content as a universe bible, selecting the best elements and weaving them together into a seamless, flowing narrative.