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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:11 am

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Herms wrote:Daizenshuu 5: TV Animation Part 2

The first thing from the animation guide I want to talk about is something that doesn’t even involve the anime at all. Instead, it’s a series of so-called ‘Outside Stories’ based on the Dragon Ball Z anime that were published by Shueisha. These are featured in one of Daizenshuu 5’s ‘Variety of DB’ articles, on pp.156-157. Apparently, they were a series of original manga-like stories that served as special features in several different Dragon Ball books.

The first one appeared in Weekly Shounen Jump Special Edition: Dragon Ball Z Anime Special, and was called “ピッコロ大魔王の名に賭けて” (‘Risking the name of Piccolo Daimaou’, or something like that). It focused on Piccolo, from his birth from Piccolo Daimaou’s egg until his death at the hands of Nappa. The story was by Koyama Takao, who did series composition and screenplays for the anime. The illustrations where by Maeda Minoru, who worked on the anime as a chief animator, animation director, character designer.

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The second one appeared in Dragon Ball Z Anime Special II, and was called “誇り高き!! サイヤの王子ベジータ” (‘High Pride!! The Saiya Prince Vegeta’). It focused on Vegeta, from his childhood on Planet Vegeta until his fight with Freeza. It was again written by Koyama Takao and illustrated by Maeda Minoru.

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Oh WOW.
Original, official backstory info on Vegeta and Piccolo?
Stuff we wouldn't know if we hadn't read it?


*Wants to read them* >_<
Here are two copies of the magazine I was able to track down on Yahoo Japan. They're both the same issue (the one with Piccolo's story). You can see a picture of the Piccolo manga in the one that's selling for 1,000 yen.

I would order one, but with the cost of the actual item plus the international shipping plus Celga's fee, it'd be like $30+ for a 500 yen book. Not my cup of tea.

But it would be neat it one of you hardcore folks ordered it and shared it with the rest of the English speaking Dragon Ball fandom :lol:

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:39 am

Darn it all, looking at Saiyan's scans I realized I misrembered exactly how far Piccolo's story goes up to. It actually only goes up to DBZ episode 20, which is when Vegeta and Nappa arrive. It apparently doesn't include Piccolo's death then. Terribly sorry. I've gone back and corrected it.

Thanks to Saiyan's scans I was also able to figure out the team behind Trunks' Outside Story, which I forgot to write down in my notes. The illustrations were by the same guy as the others, Maeda Minoru, but the story this time was by Matsui Miya. It says that Matsui worked on the anime as scenario supervisor ('kyakuhon tantou'; not being an expert an animation, I'm not sure of the best way to translate this). I've gone back and added this in as well.

I also edited the part where I said that the Outside Stories don't 'involve the anime at all'. This is misleading, since they were explicitly based on the anime rather than the manga.

edit: Damn, I was even worse off than I thought. Vegeta's story apparently goes on past his fight with Freeza until his revival by Polunga. Meanwhile, Trunks' story goes from his battles with the androids in the future to his trip into the past and his battle with Cell, making it quite different in content than the Trunks special. I'll go make the needed corrections.

Apparently these Outside Stories were later used to make models for the anime. For instance, if I'm reading this right, Vegeta's Outside Story came out before DBZ episode 78, which has the anime-only scene of Freeza destroying Planet Vegeta. It seems they used the pictures of Vegeta's child form from the Outside Story as their model for how he appeared in the filler.
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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:42 am

Awesome topic, Herms-- one of the few ones that I'm gonna bookmark for future reference.

I got kinda bored, so I did some scanlations of what Toriyama Boss and Saiyan put up. Though I'm kinda unsure of whether it's alright to put 'em up or not. On one side, I'm sure there's some kind of legal mumbo-jumbo attached to all this, but on the other side, there's the fact that we're probably never gonna get an English translation of the Daizenshuu.

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Post by FindKenshi » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:42 am

Just posting a raw, text-only translation? I'm almost positive that is not piracy. At least, not more so then actually posting the scans themselves--and even that... I mean it's not like anyone here is systematically scanning every single page of the books and making it available for download. There's no real harm in making a few random scans of a handfull of pages, people do it on comics/graphic novels message boards all the time.

Of course, I'm not a copyright lawyer. I know the copyright law also says reproduction "in part" as well, but still... morally, I see nothing wrong with whats going on here. Especially since these books aren't even available in English.

8) In other words: please post the translations you made! 8)

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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:42 pm

Just posting a raw, text-only translation?
If you get what you said, then that's actually what Toriyama Boss did a couple posts back. I'm actually taking those translations and photoshopping 'em into the appropriate scans.

Eh, I'll put 'em up, anyways:
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I left the gray box blank for the one with Vegeta, since I'm guessing, like the previous scan, it says something about the correlating volumes the form is seen in. I also got a bit nitpicky and changed "saiyajin" to saiya-jinn" just 'cuz I'm more used to spelling it that way (aside from the dub name "saiyan").

EDIT: Updated pictures with appropriate translation corrections.
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Post by Toriyama Boss » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:49 pm

Is their anyway for someone to enlarge that Gohan personal History scan? I would be able to translate it if possible.

OK....

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Caption for blue picture with Piccolo: "Betting in the name of the Demon Lord Piccolo."

Smaller blue caption: "The Piccolo Arc: Betting in the name of the Demon Lord Piccolo."

Black title on the left: "From being the enemy of Goku to being the teacher of Gohan! The Warrior of the Socery Clan Walks on a Strange Path of Destiny."

"This illustration story depicts the amazing change in personality of Piccolo, from the moment of his birth to being the teacher of Gohan. The first version was him being Piccolo, born as the Great Demon Lord, and defeated by Goku during the Tenka Ichi Budoukai (World's Greatest Tournament). It depicts also the battle with Saiyajin Raditz and the death of Goku, i.e. the flow of the main story from the viewpoint of Piccolo. The story was built by the main scriptwriter and series designer for the anime, Mr Takao Koyama. Illustrations were done by Mr Minoru Maeda, who was the Chief Illustrations Director then."

Green box below:"This Illustration Story depicts the changes in Piccolo from the anime "DB" Chapter 123 to approximately Chapter 20 of "DBZ". It describes the psychology of Piccolo prior to his appearance in the 23rd World's Greatest Tournament that was not given much mention in the TV series. Going through this story will let the readers understand the change in heart of Piccolo from his fight with the Saiyajin and becoming the teacher of Gohan, his rival, Goku's son, and it will be a smoother transition for understanding how the story flows."

Caption at baby Piccolo: "Anime shows egg Piccolo arriving through the flow of the river. Is that the starting point of the Illustration Story?!"

Caption left side: "Same as the anime, Piccolo is training with Goku's son, Gohan. Though he initially wished to challenge the Saiyajin, this is an unexpected turn of events for him."

Edit:@Daemoncorps: Check my spelling and stuff cause it is not that strong. :)

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:39 pm

DaemonCorps wrote: I left the gray box blank for the one with Vegeta, since I'm guessing, like the previous scan, it says something about the correlating volumes the form is seen in. I also got a bit nitpicky and changed "saiyajin" to saiya-jinn" just 'cuz I'm more used to spelling it that way (aside from the dub name "saiyan").
The gray box in the Vegeta scan says 'From vol.38 onwards'.

(saiya...jinn? Where does the second 'n' come from?)

Anyway, I have to question Toriyama Boss's translation of 'フルパワー' as 'powered-up', since 'フルパワー' is basically just 'Full-Power' written in katakana.

My post for Daizenshuu 4 will be up as soon as I get it spell-checked.

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Post by Tatsunoboshi Horoko » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:02 pm

Caption for blue picture with Piccolo: "Betting in the name of the Demon Lord Piccolo."
Just aesthetics, I guess, but の名に賭けて/名に懸けて is more commonly translated as "In the name of~" ("Wagering [it all] in the name of~.")

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Post by Toriyama Boss » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:22 pm

Herms wrote:Anyway, I have to question Toriyama Boss's translation of 'フルパワー' as 'powered-up', since 'フルパワー' is basically just 'Full-Power' written in katakana..
Yep, you are correct (sorry about that)!
Please people, feel free to correct my translations! :)

*Goes to make corrrections right now*

@Tatsunoboshi Horoko: How would you put that sentence?

Thank you.

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:28 pm

Daizenshuu 4: World Guide

And here we are on the first of the two really information-heavy, non-plot recap daizenshuu. I actually have more notes on this one than any other, partially because I kind of gave up before the sheer massiveness of Daizenshuu 7. This post is so long I’m going to short it by category/section. You might want to get a snack or something while reading it.

Miscellaneous/Stuff in the Front

Pretty much the first thing in here in the model of the Dragon Ball cosmos, on pp.16-17. DBGT Network has a scan of this image here, (the reference numbers aren’t part of the original image, though). This model for the Dragon Ball cosmos was originally designed by Toriyama, and his rough sketch of it is reproduced in the pullout for this daizenshuu, along with his rough sketches for some of the characters that Daizenshuu EX has here.

Skipping ahead a little, on pp.72-73 there’s another drawing of the Dragon Ball cosmos with everything labeled and explained (it’s presumably from this second image that DBGT Network got their information from, but they then added it to the prettier-looking first image). Since Daizenshuu 4 uses only the manga as a source, it only includes a general description of hell, leaving out everything from the anime.

However, it also includes the airport to heaven, which appeared in the anime but wasn’t even mentioned in the anime. Apparently, the heavenly airport was one of the bits of information that Toriyama supplied the anime staff with, like I mentioned in my post for Daizenshuu 5 (remember that Toriyama drew the original image of the cosmos given here, so the airport was undoubtedly his idea). This makes sense when you consider that the Anoyo-Ichi Budoukai story-arc of the anime featured the same layout of the cosmos given here, even though it came out before the daizenshuu. So it seems Toriyama made the sketch of the cosmos at some point while working on the series, but didn’t incorporate all of it into the manga storyline.

Getting back to the front of the book, on p. 35 in the middle of a long article explaining everything about the Dragon Balls themselves, there’s a little sidebar showing that Polunga is about five times the size of Shenlong. They got this figure by comparing the size of both dragons in relation to the Capsule Corp. building, since they were both shown right by it in the series.

There’s also a chart listing every time the Dragon Balls were used, which set was used, the number of wishes, and what the wishes were. According to this, the Dragon Balls were used 14 times in the course of the series, with a total of 22 wishes. Looking at this chart, it seems that 4 of those 14 times were with Namek’s Dragon Balls, but it doesn’t specifically say so.

On pp.38-38, there is a kind of Q & A with Toriyama. They ask him which character lives the longest (Kame Sen’nin) and the shortest (Vegeta). They ask him which of his characters he would like to be reincarnated as, and he says Trunks, because he’s rich and strong. Makes sense. He also reveals that if he were to make another manga with Dragon Ball characters, he would make a gag manga starring Mr. Satan and Buu.

Saiyans

Next we have the guides for the different racial groups. In the section for special abilities of individual Saiyans (p.44), it has a paragraph on Goku’s telepathy. It links together Goku’s ability to telepathically communicate with Gohan during the fight with Vegeta, his ability to read Kuririn’s memories on Namek, and his ability to ‘hear’ what everyone was saying in his dreams while he was struggling with the heart virus as all being different manifestations of the same ability. It says that these telepathic abilities are a result of Goku’s training his spirit.

Nameccians (I love that spelling)

All of the sections for the different racial groups have a diagram of some kind. There’s a Saiyan family tree, a diagram of the hierarchy of gods, a diagram of Freeza’s organization, and the same thing for the Red Ribbon Army hierarchy. For the Namekians there’s a really neat diagram connecting all the different villages, Saichourou and Neil, Kami, Piccolo Daimaou and his various offspring, and Piccolo’s different mergings. This chart lists the population for each Namekian village, and separates them into Dragon Clan and Warrior Type (p.51). Here are the numbers it gives:

Muuri’s village: 5 Dragon Clan Namekians, 3 Warrior Types
Tsuuno’s village: 16 Dragon Clan, 3 Warrior Types
Village: 15 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types
Village: 18 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types
Village: 19 Dragon Clan, 3 Warrior Types
Village: 12 Dragon Clan, 2 Warrior Types

Adding those up (which the daizenshuu doesn’t do) I got exactly 100 Namekains total, with 85 Dragon Clan Namekians and 15 Warrior Types. Then of course there’s Saichourou and Neil as well, so the total comes to 102 on Namek itself, with 104 in the universe when we add in Piccolo and Kami. This all just applies for the Freeza arc of course, since Tsuuno’s village was never revived, and who knows how the population changed on New Namek.

edit: OK, so this is kind of a late correction, but I just realized that I forgot to count the elders for each village, since looking back at the chart its clear they're not intended to be included in the person count for their respective villages. So adding 7 to 102 gets you 109. Trivial? Not as much as it may seem. Take out Saichourou from the equation and you get 108, and in the manga Dende does tell Gohan and Kuririn that he is the 108st child of Saichourou. So that's what all these seemingly arbitrary numbers add up to. Which also means that Dende was the youngest person on Planet Namek, though that may have also been said in the manga and I just forgot.

Daizenshuu 7 (p.43) gives the percentage of Dragon Clan Namekians to Warrior Type Namekians as 86% and 14%, which seems to match what we see here.

The racial guide for Namekians also notes the existence of Piccolo Daimaou’s Demon Clan offspring. On p.50, it says that Piccolo Daimaou’s natural ability as a Dragon Clan Namekian to lay eggs was changed due to his evil nature, leading him to produce demons. On p.46 it says that the Demon Clan were Namekians whose hearts were stained with evil. So, despite what some people say, Piccolo Daimaou and his offspring really were demons, and not just claiming to be. You can be both a Namekian and a demon.

People of the Cosmos (otherwise known as gods)

On p.53 it goes over the gods’ duties. Each god has a zone (区域) that they guard over. You know how this goes: North Kaiou watches over the northern galaxy, South Kaiou has the southern galaxy, etc. Each god can’t interfere in the zone of another god. As an example of this, the daizenshuu shows the panel where Kaiou is explaining how he’s powerless to help them bring Kuririn back to life, since it’s outside his zone. This implies that Namek wasn’t in the northern galaxy.

It also explains here that a competent god can potentially be promoted to a higher position. So presumably if North Kaiou stopped making lame jokes all the time and put his nose to the grindstone, he could make North Kaioushin.

On p.55, it says that Kibito was the assistant for all of the Kaioushin. Of course, since all the other Kaioushin are gone, we only ever see him assisting East Kaioushin. This would imply that Kibito was around before Majin Buu wiped out the other Kaioushin.

Freeza and his Followers

On p.59, it gives ‘psychokinesis’ as a common ability among the higher members of Freeza’s organization. We do in fact see Freeza, Ginyu, and Ghould all use this ability in the series. According to the daizenshuu, this is not a natural ability of their respective races, but an advanced technique that they all learned.

On the same page, it describes Freeza and Zarbon as being ‘Transforming-Type Aliens’ (変身型宇宙人).

On p.59, it has the organization chart for Freeza’s organization. It describes King Cold’s role as “controlling things from above” (exact quote:“フリーザの父コルド大王がその上に君臨している”).

Babidi and his Followers

On p.62 it explains that Majin Buu can turn people into anything he imagines, and not just candy. He just mostly turns people into candy because he likes candy. This is actually implied in the series, since we see Buu turn people into clay and milk when he needs to, but people tend to forget this.

Earthlings

In the Dragon Ball world, there are three kinds of earthling: human-type, animal-type, and monster-type. Human-type are of course the humans like Bulma, Yamcha, and most of the cast. Animal-type are the animal people like Oolong and the King. Note that actual animals like Sea Turtle are not included here. Monster-type includes people like Pilaf and Akkuman (they use the English word for ‘monster’ here).

According to Daizenshuu 7 (p. 43), 75% of earthlings are human-type, 17% are animal-type, 7% are monster-type, and 1% are half-breeds such as Gohan, Trunks, and apparently Tenshinhan.

So yeah, Tenshinhan. This is where the daizenshuu first mention Tenshinhan’s alien ancestry. In the section for specific earthling’s powers on p.69, it explains that the reason Tenshinhan can do things like grow arms from his back and split into four different bodies is that he is a descendent of the Three-Eyed Clan (三つ目族).

Despite his alien ancestry, Tenshinhan is still included in the ‘earthling’ racial section. He’s also presumably still a human (人間), since even a full-blooded alien like Vegeta refers to himself as such in the series (like when he turns Oozaru). So anyone who tells you that the daizenshuu say Tenshinhan isn’t an earthling or a human is wrong.

Animals and Monsters

On p.70, it explains that the reason Sea Turtle can talk is because he’s lived with Kame Sen’nin for so many years.

Technology

On p.147, they ask Toriyama which of his android designs he liked best. His favorite? 2nd form Cell! He says he planned to have 2nd form Cell around longer, but his editor made him have Cell reach his complete form sooner because he thought 2nd form Cell looked really dumb. The fact that Toriyama had 2nd form Cell return temporarily and chose to draw him for Daizenshuu 6’s cover is probably more evidence of his affection for this form.

Some people have wondered if Sergent Metalic of the Reb Ribbon Army was one of Dr. Gero’s androids. However, the daizenshuu includes him in the section for robots on p. 158, not androids. It doesn’t say anything about him being built by Dr. Gero.

In the android section, it includes Android #8 as one of the Bio-type androids, and says that he is human-based (人間ベース), the same as #17 and #18.

And that wraps up Daizenshuu 4. Only one left! Of course, it’s the monster known as Daizenshuu 7, but still…
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Post by Toriyama Boss » Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:56 pm

Herms wrote:Daizenshuu 4: World Guide
Saiyans In the section for special abilities of individual Saiyans (p.44), it has a paragraph on Goku’s telepathy. It links together Goku’s ability to telepathically communicate with Gohan during the fight with Vegeta, his ability to read Kuririn’s memories on Namek, and his ability to ‘hear’ what everyone was saying in his dreams while he was struggling with the heart virus as all being different manifestations of the same ability. It says that these telepathic abilities are a result of Goku’s training his spirit.

Freeza and his Followers

On p.59, it gives ‘psychokinesis’ as a common ability among the higher members of Freeza’s organization. We do in fact see Freeza, Ginyu, and Ghould all use this ability in the series. According to the daizenshuu, this is not a natural ability of their respective races, but an advanced technique that they all learned.…
Wow, Saiya-jins special ability is telepathy and psychokinesis’ is a common ability for freeza's organization!

I hope Saiyan puts up the scans on these!.

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:21 pm

Toriyama Boss wrote: Wow, Saiya-jins special ability is telepathy and psychokinesis’ is a common ability for freeza's organization!

I hope Saiyan puts up the scans on these!.
Actually, it says telepathy is unique to Goku. See, for each racial group it has a section on the abilities common for that group (for Saiyans this would be the ability to become an oozaru, to power up after recovering from near-death, etc.), and a section for abilities that only certain members of that group have (like Vegeta's ability to form the powerball). Telepathy is Goku's unique ability among Saiyans.

It does say that psychokinesis (did I explain what that is? It's the same thing as telekinesis, moving things from a distance without touching them) is a shared ability among Freeza's group, but only among the upper members, like Ginyu or Freeza himself. So presumably Appule doesn't have it.

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Post by testing223 » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:48 pm

Herms, is there any possible way to please see a larger scan of the characters' height comparisons?

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:57 pm

Well, Saiyan makes all the scans, so I'd have to ask him. He's probably busy with the other stuff I asked him to do, so it could take awhile.

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Post by caejones » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:00 pm

Herms wrote:edit: Old Scan Tucker was a fat old man, washed his face with a fryin pan, combed his hair with a wagon wheel, and died with a tooth ache in his heel!
I've been trying to remember that verse! The information in this thread runneth over!

Concerning racial abilities... how is SSJ listed?
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Post by FindKenshi » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:00 pm

That's awesome. It's intersting to know that psychokinesis isn't a natural ability of Freeza, but that he learned it. This implies Freeza actually did do some training, which is something I used to doubt. I figured Freeza, simply born with outstanding power, never really trained; he only counted on superior power over his opponent to win every fight.

Anyway, was Guldo (Gurdo) or however you pref to spell his name, mentioned by name in that factoid? Because I dunno if I really consider him an "upper member" of Freeza's organisation, he's just a member of Ginyu's team after all. And it seems weird to me thining that Guldo can't do all that naturally.

Anyway, oh noo that Gohan scan is too small to be translated? My hopes..crushed ><; lol i was really just wanting to know if it made reference to what state he was in when fighting Dabura. I know the Dabura profile says he fought ssj2 Gohan, but it's just nice to see if that profile said it too, by chance. Sometimes there may be inconsistencies within a book itself, you know.

Another intersting thing I noticed. Akkuman is listd as a "monster-type" Earthling?

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Post by Herms » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:18 pm

caejones wrote: Concerning racial abilities... how is SSJ listed?
Do you mean as in common versus unique abilities? It was listed as a common ability, 'common' presumably in the sense that several different Saiyans have it, and it's a chararistic of the entire race. Of course, only very few Saiyans ever reach it (5 out of...what, thousands at least?), but I think the idea here is that Saiyans are the only ones who can.
FindKenshi wrote: Anyway, was Guldo (Gurdo) or however you pref to spell his name, mentioned by name in that factoid? Because I dunno if I really consider him an "upper member" of Freeza's organisation, he's just a member of Ginyu's team after all. And it seems weird to me thining that Guldo can't do all that naturally.
I don't remember if he was mentioned by name in the body of the text (though I think he was), but the picture that they use to illustrate the entry for psychokinesis is a picture of Guldo lifting up a tree. While he is 'just' a member of the Ginyu Force, this still puts him at a much higher rank than the majority of the people in Freeza's organization (I think that the chart of Freeza's organization that they have in this section puts all of the Ginyu Force, including Guldo, well above Vegeta). As for the rest of the abilities he shows, such as stopping time, I think those were listed as being unique to him.

FindKenshi wrote: Anyway, oh noo that Gohan scan is too small to be translated? My hopes..crushed ><; lol i was really just wanting to know if it made reference to what state he was in when fighting Dabura. I know the Dabura profile says he fought ssj2 Gohan, but it's just nice to see if that profile said it too, by chance. Sometimes there may be inconsistencies within a book itself, you know.
I'm pretty sure it didn't; otherwise I would have written it down in my notes, since I was on the lookout for more information on the whole "SSJ or SSJ2?" issue. I think I mentioned earlier that I did fail to find anything saying that he never went SSJ2 after his match with Kibito, though.
FindKenshi wrote: Another intersting thing I noticed. Akkuman is listd as a "monster-type" Earthling?
Yes, which is interesting because Daizenshuu 7 says that he is native to the Demon World. Before he fights Goku in the manga, he taunts him by saying some to the effect of: "Care to visit my homeland...Hell?!". Daizensuu 7 says that he really meant the Demon World, which is sometimes called Hell (which isn't to say it's the same as the real Hell, the one below the Serpent Road). I may be getting ahead of myself, though.
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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:23 pm

Ooh, that little not about Goku's random acts of telekinesis throughout the story is pretty interesting. I completely forgot he'd use that power every now and then. And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.

I've got all the text up from that Piccolo scan. I had to move around the screencaps from that bottom green box, so the captions won't look so squished (curse Japan writing text from top to bottom!). I'm just waiting for Toriyama Boss to put up the translation from that red box at the top and the little caption thing next to "Variety of DB" and that skinny blue box.

(Geez, going over that text in the bigger picture with Piccolo/eeg Piccolo in it was a pain! Forgive me if it's kinda crappy!)

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Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:48 pm

DaemonCorps wrote:And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.
And how, exactly, would it be inherited when Goku was already born before Bardock got that ability?

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Post by DaemonCorps » Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:58 pm

Rocketman wrote:
DaemonCorps wrote:And when I didn't forget it, I always thought it was inherited from Bardock's ability that he got by the dying psychic alien. Then again, there's no info (at least none brought up) saying against that theory.
And how, exactly, would it be inherited when Goku was already born before Bardock got that ability?
They're psychic powers-- must they make sense?

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