IGN lists the top 10 plot twists of Dragon Ball history

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:18 am

Victator Supreme wrote:What matters is the execution which was near perfect. The final product was far stronger than the sum of its parts.

I say thee nay.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:55 am

Rocketman wrote:
Godo wrote:You kinda deserved it. You call a part of the story that some people like for shit. You can say you dislike it, but if you call it "shit", then you should take the foul words directed at you like a man.
Men don't curse back at people who curse at them?

Yes. Uncivilised men do.

Orochi_Rockman · Post by **Orochi_Rockman** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:25 am

You guys need to just agree to disagree and be done with it.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:43 am

Seeing some of the comments on that Top 10 regarding #18 and her origins is making me face palm myself until my face is red.

THIS is why I hate the dub for causing so much unnecessary confusion.

As for the list itself, it was rather bland and didn't really touch the HEAVY plot twists.

Goku LOSING to Piccolo Daimao (as opposed to his usual winning streak), Goku's death in the beginning of Z, Piccolo sacrificing himself for Gohan, Vegeta killing Nappa, Freeza's presence on Namek, Kuririn's death and Goku turning Super Saiyan, Trunks' appearance and Super Saiyan transformation, the Artificial Humans being different from the ones Trunks knew in his timeline, #16 being added to the group of Artificial Humans, Cell's appearance, Piccolo merging with Kami-sama, #16 wishing to help the Z-Warriors, Goku sacrificing himself to get rid of Cell from Earth only to make his death left in vain, Goku choosing not to come back to life, #18 actually being married to Kuririn (the editor was freaking out more over the fact that Kuririn was with someone and that she was a "robot", rather than focusing on the fact that someone who originally hated him was now married to him and had a family with him), Vegeta sacrificing himself to take out Boo (even though that too was in vain), Boo's many forms, Super Saiyan 3 and so forth.

Some of the stuff they touched on weren't really all that great. :s

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:33 pm

One of the most WTF?! twists to me was when Boo absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks, and it's always been my personal hypothesis that this is about where Toriyama-sensei had to start writing to get Goku back rather than have Gohan as the hero like was originally planned.

Absorption wasn't even hinted at anywhere from Boo's introduction up until this point. Granted, this wouldn't be the first time that a technique had gone unknown before it was used (and most of Boo's other abilities were the same way) but this one came way more outta left field than usual IMHO-- somehow it just strikes me as a "Well, what can we have Boo do to become even stronger to kick around the character I intentionally made into the strongest ever?!" kinda move. We had zero foresight into it, and that made it shocking.

Not to mention that the way it's hastily explained towards saga's end in the anime feels rushed and half-assed, as if it became necessary to explain everything so that the chibi "original" Boo made some sorta sense.

~Da Lemmy

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:32 pm

Didn't "Pure Evil" Buu absorb "Pure Good" a few episodes earlier?

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:54 pm

Yes, but I don't think of that as the same kind of transformation. It had nothing to do with the "Boo goo" technique, really; Buu had eaten Dabura without a transformation, so I don't think he was counting on any sort of effect after eating Mr. Buu either-- he was just hungry in those instances. But by the time it swings around to the absorption of Gotenks and Piccolo, Boo seems to have the plan and resulting effect in full knowledge already, like he's somehow done it before. The truth is, he had, but we're not shown the flashback revealing the original Boo's absorption of the Kaioshin until much later.

Super Boo, I imagine, was at least intended to happen somewhere down the line before Gohan came along so that even with Boo's power-up (because doesn't every major villain have at least one?) it could be demonstrated how awesome Gohan's full potential really was to the point of utter victory. The Gotenks-absorbed version, I can't think the same of; that's where it all kinda derails, and that's why I call it a twist. The Boo saga on the whole is Toriyama-sensei writing on the fly, but after Boo absorbs the other fighters I think that's just crack auto-pilot whilst he scrambles for a way to cancel out Gohan and bring Goku (not to mention Vegeta) back into the main events.

So yeah, I'll still call this my number one plot twist.

~Da Lemmy

Hero 004 · Post by **Hero 004** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:16 pm

I guess I agree with the whole Bulma/Vegeta thing being first, or at least up there. The first episodes I saw were the Trunks saga and I was even shocked by him revealing that after not knowing anything about the two yet.

It was a little lame, though, that they split them into two twists, especially with all of the plot twists you guys have thought of.

One of the biggest plot twists for me, and probably my favorite, was Goku's son being trained to fight by his arch-nemises. It's really ironic that Gohan wasn't initially trained by his father considering it was Goku's biggest passion in life. It difined Gohan as a character, Piccolo too really. Gohan being trained by Piccolo changed them both forever and I think it's a really cool plot point and concept.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:04 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:My you are so fucking stupid. Like I'm not even mad. You should win a belt of some sort.
1. Pretty-boy with unique hair.
2. Stronger than all established characters.
3. Child of two established characters who've barely looked at each other.
4. Kills Big Bad Villain with no trouble to show how 'badass' he is.
5. Uses a sword for no reason.
6. Everybody likes and trusts him, except for the asshole, and he comes around in the end anyway.
7. DARK PAST OF WOE AND ANGST

Just because it's Mr. Toriyama writing it instead of kawaiiveggie264 doesn't make it any less crap.

Also, fuck you.

Mind you, all of those things happened before Linkin Park. So, back then, it was somewhat original.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:11 pm

Kendamu wrote:Mind you, all of those things happened before Linkin Park. So, back then, it was somewhat original.

Shenron · Post by **Shenron** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:21 pm

In the animetoward the end when Vegeta's yelling at Goku for saying he'll give naughty pics of Bulma to the Old Kaioshin, he addressed her as his wife. So maybe during the 7 year gap, they legitimized Trunks.

Oh yes, that's true. But I alwas figured he was using the word "wife" because it was the most convenient to refer to the woman he's living with for 10 years.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:34 am

Okay, as someone who will be in enternal disagreement with Rocketman concerning his opinion of Gohan, I'm coming in here to back him up about Mirai Trunks. As in I'm in agreement with him on his point. You who disagree may not like hearing it, but let's face it. Toriyama made a "dyed in the wool", "textbook example of a Gary Stu character when he created Mirai Trunks.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:36 am

What's a Gary Stu character?

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:45 am

Male equivalent of a Mary Sue. And anyone who still disagrees about Trunks being one should take this test, using his characteristics and personality to answer the questions. Just watch how he scores. XD
http://www.onlyfiction.net/marysue2.html

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:59 am

Truth be told, the entire DB cast are Gary Stu's with Goku right there in the lead of the pack.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:07 am

Mary Sue has become code for "Any new character that does anything interesting and has any distinguishing features." Unless the character is a version of you fucking Kirk and Spock. Its not a Mary Sue.

Orochi_Rockman · Post by **Orochi_Rockman** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:09 am

One of the biggest plot twists for me, and probably my favorite, was Goku's son being trained to fight by his arch-nemises. It's really ironic that Gohan wasn't initially trained by his father considering it was Goku's biggest passion in life. It difined Gohan as a character, Piccolo too really. Gohan being trained by Piccolo changed them both forever and I think it's a really cool plot point and concept.

I would have really liked to see this stay the same throughout the run of the series. With Piccolo going into the RoSat with Gohan and Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan killing Cell with obscenely powerful Makankosappo.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:11 am

The S wrote:http://anime.ign.com/articles/839/839780p1.html

Some inconsistencies, and I don't wholly agree, but Hell... before this article, I didn't even know IGN had an anime section!

I know I'm chiming in late here, but this list sucks.

Godo · Post by **Godo** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:33 am

Orochi_Rockman wrote:
One of the biggest plot twists for me, and probably my favorite, was Goku's son being trained to fight by his arch-nemises. It's really ironic that Gohan wasn't initially trained by his father considering it was Goku's biggest passion in life. It difined Gohan as a character, Piccolo too really. Gohan being trained by Piccolo changed them both forever and I think it's a really cool plot point and concept.
I would have really liked to see this stay the same throughout the run of the series. With Piccolo going into the RoSat with Gohan and Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan killing Cell with obscenely powerful Makankosappo.

Right into the core of his head! Woulda been awesome!

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:17 pm

Godo wrote:Right into the core of his head! Woulda been awesome!

Wouldn't have worked. Goku blasted Cell's head into nothing, remember?

Kanzenshuu

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