Another DBZ Bluray, Remastered Movies, GT Boxset, and more

Genki-Dama · Post by **Genki-Dama** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:58 pm

Wow DBZ season five I wonder who's gonna be on that cover, Cell?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:36 pm

Grandpa Gohan, probably.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:43 pm

The Lecherous Muten Roshi wrote: TMNT Ninja Tribunal episodes finally coming to DVD. Ultra-keen.

My god I finally found you.

Somebody else that loves that show! (Unless you were being sarcastic...), we've had the Ninja Tribunal episodes here since before Season 3 even came out, which is the only reason I haven't purchased it yet.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:07 pm

Remember, the whole Remastering cropping will look almost identical as if you were watching it on TV (overscan and this cropping is nearly the same, except this cropping is a bit more chopping off what's on the bottom)...ehh. I don't have any Dragon Ball (only saw it online and never in stores really), so I'll be getting that. As for GT...eh what the hell, I want to have both versions just because they're so different, it would be an...interesting change. Not saying good or bad, but GT dub with the original music? Thank you lord, I won't have to suffer through the disgust that is dub music of GT.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:52 pm

I refuse to buy any more FUNI remastered crap. I bought Season One and was really dissapointed.

I loved the idea of the FUNI cast with the original music, before I saw the presentation that is.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:39 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Remember, the whole Remastering cropping will look almost identical as if you were watching it on TV (overscan and this cropping is nearly the same, except this cropping is a bit more chopping off what's on the bottom)...ehh. I don't have any Dragon Ball (only saw it online and never in stores really), so I'll be getting that. As for GT...eh what the hell, I want to have both versions just because they're so different, it would be an...interesting change. Not saying good or bad, but GT dub with the original music? Thank you lord, I won't have to suffer through the disgust that is dub music of GT.

Anyone who believes the overscan bullshit is an idiot.

People can argue their opinion on any number of things, what looks better, and you can argue it is their opinion.

But the entire overscan thing, is bullshit. PERIOD.

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:26 pm

godofchaos wrote: Anyone who believes the overscan bullshit is an idiot.

People can argue their opinion on any number of things, what looks better, and you can argue it is their opinion.

But the entire overscan thing, is bullshit. PERIOD.

Thank you. I've been reading posts about the overscan bullshit in other threads and it had me puzzled. I thought we had cleared up that Funi was bullshitting us with their moronic overscan explanation.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:32 pm

...Um I actually took pictures of my TV as it shows with overscan and the cropping and it's almost identical. I even have those pictures somewhere in this Forum. It's not like I read it somewhere, I did it by myself.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:46 pm

Then link me to said pictures, so I may see them to myself, and decide based on the proof.

Of course, I expect the caps to be of the Dragonboxes, since Funi's old DVDs were improperly framed to hide film damage.

Come come, let us see them, so I may correct my mistake and apologize.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:13 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:...Um I actually took pictures of my TV as it shows with overscan and the cropping and it's almost identical.

You're talking like the cropped footage in the season sets are a "feature" to guard against overscan, losing a similar amount of the image from a 4:3 dvd is your television's fault, nothing more.

My television doesn't have much overscan on the top and bottom, but quite a bit on the sides, which means I lose the "new" footage on the sides, and then some.

xzero · Post by **xzero** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:15 pm

DBZ's dub needed work, and while I'm glad to see some of that being done, the Season sets still fall short. (I'm not turning this into a season set discussion. Promise.) DBGT's dub, on the other hand, was comparatively excellent. The script was well-written for the most part, and the actual VO work was pretty good. For this season 1 release, I can ignore the absence of the top and bottom half of my screen if I can listen to a reasonably good dub over the excellent original BGM.

And by the way, Mike, your German version of DBZ Movie 1 puts you one ahead of me, at least until I can raid Toei and steal the original master

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:10 am

Go check out the "Dragon Ball Season 4 Arrives blah blah" and see for yourself. It was a pretty big discussion. I posted quite a few pictures there too. Don't know about you, but my TV overscans almost as much of the vertical image as the season sets crop. The top is unnoticeable, but the bottom is slightly more cut in the crop. I don't have the patience to go looking for the Thread. I'd take new pics, just feeling lazy.

And I kind of find it funny. FUNimation's DVDs are "improperly framed"? lol You get this tiny little insignificant portion missing. So? It's not exactly 5% of the picture they're losing.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:33 am

....You really don't get it do you.

Funimation's ORIGINAL dvds were improperly framed.

To bypass frame damage, they zoomed in.

As the DVDs are NOW, you miss, depending on the framing of Funi's old dvds, 5 percent AT BEST, 10 to 20% is more realistic in most cases.

SO yeah, it is BULLSHIT to not have that.

If they removed 10 to 20% of a show in any other way, no one would stand for it.

And the only reason why people are now is because they are cheap.

My own version of Funi's statment....

An 8 year older is born every minute, and they will believe anything we tell them.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:43 am

While that may be true, lots of people have been waiting for a dub with original music of the series. And again, yeah, zoomed in, but very little. The difference is laughable. Just another thing Dragon Box fans point out, even though the "missing footage" is insignificant.

Here you go, pics I took a while ago. It was on tape so that's why the quality is so horrible. But you can still tell what's what.

Original

"Remastered"

Original

"Remastered"

OBVIOUSLY if you compare pictures of the original series as played on the computer, yeah, you would see a HUGE difference. But honestly, this is like one of the first things I did when I got the "Remastered" series. Compared it to the ones on an overscan TV. It just didn't seem so bad afterwards. Don't get me wrong, I still think that it is pretty bad. But then again, come to think of it, I've been watching the show with so much missing vertical imaging for my entire life, so should it really bother me? Plus, it looks nice sprawled all across the HDTV with no black bars. And it's nice to have the option of haivng the original Japanese music, even if I am a Faulconer fan (as far as the series music goes).

Trust me, when I got the series, I laughed at it. I was very critical of it and only got it because I didn't have Ultimate Uncut at the time. All in all, again, that's why I have this version, and the entire thing as presented in 4:3 from FUNi originally. So I have the option of this or 4:3. It doesn't really bother me. And yeah, it's really bad that the lines disappear from time to time. Have to admit that. But on the other hand, sometimes the colors are nice and soothing.

Of course as compared to the Dragon Box release, this is far from "definitive" but is it really all THAT bad? You're not exactly paying $1,800 for the series here. Plus you can actually understand it.

If I have a problem with it, it's that it's done so cheaplyu. And that it's far from definitive, but don't let FUNimation hear you say that lol I just feel like I gotta give the devil his...or their dues.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:26 am

Once again, the cropping based on Funi's old version is different from scene to scene based on the original film damage and what they did to each scene.

But yeah, stuff being cropped, lines vanishing, colors being wrong.

But hey, it's cheap so it's ok.

Glad to know that's where people's line is.

It's ok if it's cheap.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:31 am

Funny how you're misunderstanding what I said. Also funny how you're basically avoiding the whole, "show me that cropped is almost the same as overscanned!" too. So it's taken from FUNimation's version...yeah. Any comparison I've seen between FUNi's and Dragon Box's seems almost identical in terms of what's shown and what's not. Plus, yeah, to hide film damage. Sounds reasonable to me, unless you'd like to see weird lines at the top or sides or wherever on your DVDs as if they were VHS. Then again, is that REALLY the reason? Because Dragon Box doesn't have that much more footage to really fit in film damage anywhere.

Can we at least agree that the overscan and cropping is almost the same? So that means for anyone that watched DBZ on Toonami in the US on their regular 4:3 TVs basically were missing the same amount of vertical image as in these DVDs right?

And yeah it's cheap, so now people who don't have tons of money to spend can get the series they love too, not just those who can go out and spend like 2 grand on the show. And like it or not, it's WORKING for them.

ETC123 · Post by **ETC123** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:39 am

Greatness, I have a feeling people would be less keen to criticize these sets if FUNimation actually finished what they started with the 3-4 episode DVDs, because I can tell you if I had started getting the last 22 volumes (fuckin hell) and only was allowed to get 9, only to have something way cheaper, inconsistient and a poorer presentation to come out, then I'd feel betrayed.

Sure, it's a company, sure they're after money, but where's the value in customer loyalty hey?

PS TV comparisons of old VHS tapes and new DVDs is kinda laughable tbh.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:41 am

It's not almost the same.

I've seen the old version on both types of TVs, and the new version on both types.

I avoided the argument because I ran into an odd error making a combined screencap and I was waiting on someone else to double check my work before I put it up, but if you'd like a comparison now.

http://www.db-destiny.net/crop17tg9.jpg http://www.db-destiny.net/dbzseason01disc520nc7.jpg

Start comparing then, and don't use the 'well its the credits' argument.

Go on and take some screencaps off your TV of that scene.

Odd since you talk about 'no black bars' in widescreen, which would suggest you have an HDTV, and the majority of HDTVs have no overscan, or have such a signifigantly low amount FAR below the normal 4:3 TV.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:49 am

...Yeah laughable. Except later on I took pics of the DVDs as they appear on 4:3 with overscan to the "Remastered" and guess what. Gasp, sob, same thing. I just can't find those. Maybe I'll take them later. Yeah I didn't mean as compared to an HDTV because yeah, I know they have no overscan lol Point is I watched the whole series before they had...or I had HDTV (they've been around for a long time, nobody bought them though.). You sure you took that from a regular 4:3 TV? Not a newer one or anything? Did you even take those? I know on MINE that's how much the overscan is. Hey what can I say. lol Just please as long as you take it easy. Doesn't mean we're in a heated battle here. If there's one thing that drives me away from places like this is the fact that DBZ isn't exactly a cult and when it's treated as such, it gets a bit too creepy. It's a cartoon.

And you know, you are 100% correct. Hit the nail right on the head. One day I was having a weird day and I compared what the 4:3 DVDs looked like on the COMPUTER to the "Remastered" and when I saw the difference, yeah my jaw dropped. So I went and bought basically the entire series on 4:3. I mean I already had most of it, but I was missing the Ultimate Uncut, Great Saiyaman Saga, Cell Games, and the 7 DVD Majin Buu Saga. I just felt like I better get it now. It wasn't even available at Z Store anymore, so Ebay is the greatest. Yeah, now having both...really I feel at ease, at peace, and now I can safely and calmly watch the "Remastered" knowing I have the original somewhere. BUT, I did go to ZStore and ask them what the hell was going on with the Ultimate Uncut, if they were ever going to get the rest out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

So you're right about that, I don't like that they discontinued it either. But really, I wouldn't mind having a tiny fraction of the series exclusive to the "Remastered". Truth be told, it's not like I watch it all the time, and I doubt I'd watch the Namek Saga all too much, so I don't care. Yeah, Goku vs Vegeta was not present, but luckily, I have tapes of it...in Ocean dub form

It just doesn't bother me THAT much. Be happy with what you have.

I know I'm going to really get a lot of heat for this one, but I personally for myself see no point in getting the Dragon Box. To spend another 2 grand for a series that I already have (TWICE OVER if you count the "Remastered" one by the way) is pointless and just plain dumb. Plus, Dragon Box doesn't even have subtitles, I don't even know how you guys are coping with that. Here's my choice, get the Dragon Box and have a tiny fraction of the show more visible, have the same "remastering" (A LOT BETTER THAN FUNIMATION'S BY THE WAY) where it looks the same if I adjust the sharpness and tint, but not understand it...or spend roughly the same amount of money on the 4:3 releases by FUNimation, having not AS great quality of the picture, but it is adjustable and at least I have the dub and subtitles, so I can understand it in two different ways. My choice was pretty obvious. Choose your battles, picture quality, or actually understanding it. For those who speak Japanese, you guys rule and Dragon Box was made for you if you don't even want to acknowledge that a FUNimation version exists. I personally like to have a choice.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:59 am

I don't give a flying fuck if you like it, or even if you defend it, don't get me wrong.

Just say so, don't use Funimation's bullshit arguments that anyone who works with video in even the most minor bit knows is crap.

The percentage of loss overscan would have to do to wipe out THAT much of the picture I have never seen on any TV, and I never expect to, because no tv takes out THAT much.

And I never said the Dragonboxes were better options, especially at 2000 dollars, but they are BETTER.

If you like them, all the more power to you, but in NO way is overscan a legimate argument to claim they are anywhere NEAR equal