How strong was Evil Buu?

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Post by SonEric84 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:09 pm

Tyro wrote:Kind of. When "Shin" Boo is reverting back to his original form, before he actually reaches said form ("Chibi" Boo), he first passes through the form he took upon absorbing the Southern Kaio-shin ("Burly"/"Buff" Boo), and then transforms again, but this time decreasing in ki, back to the original Boo form.

Dragonball vol. 42:

Kaio-shin: "Then the strongest, the burly god of the south......was the next to go..."

Rao Kaio-shin: "...And Boo turned into that muscle man we just saw?"

Kaio-shin: "...Yes..."

Yeah, I got that much...but there's no real way to debate his power because we never actually get to see him in action.
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Post by Tyro » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:51 pm

He was stated to be stronger by Goku.

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Post by Xyex » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:54 pm

Yeah, while he was reverting Goku and Vegeta freaked because Buu was getting stronger. But then they relaxed as he began to revert to Kid Buu because it started going down again.
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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:50 am

Xyex wrote:Yeah, while he was reverting Goku and Vegeta freaked because Buu was getting stronger. But then they relaxed as he began to revert to Kid Buu because it started going down again.
Which means not a whole lot. They relaxed because he looked like a kid. They made jives at his size. As soon as he formed the first ki blast, they freaked out. When he formed the second one, they were horrified, could only flee in panic, and state "we could never stop that blast."

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Post by Duo » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:53 am

Just like how they laughed when Freeza got smaller from his final transformation?

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:56 am

Duo wrote:Just like how they laughed when Freeza got smaller from his final transformation?
Er, nobody laughed then.

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Post by Duo » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:59 am

Rocketman wrote:
Duo wrote:Just like how they laughed when Freeza got smaller from his final transformation?
Er, nobody laughed then.
That's kind've the point.

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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:22 am

It was a bad point, then, if that was your intention. After all, Vegeta did scoff when Cell became Complete. He even said "Some transformation, he actually got smaller."

The point is, they didn't know how strong Kid Buu was yet, so they had nothing to go on but his size. Call it wishful thinking. If they had any idea of his current level of power, I'm certain they'd not have been amazed by his ability to create a large blast, that Goku said (and I quote) "we can never stop".

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Post by Duo » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:53 am

What I'm saying is that they wouldn't laugh at him for size alone. In Cell's case, he was hiding the majority of his Ki, so Vegeta had every reason to think he was more powerful. With Boo, they felt his Ki go down significantly.

As for the blast, there's no way Goku could have powered up to Level 3 quickly enough to stop it. So, indeed, they couldn't do a thing.

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 5:56 am

Duo wrote:As for the blast, there's no way Goku could have powered up to Level 3 quickly enough to stop it. So, indeed, they couldn't do a thing.
Goku jumped from base straight to SSJ3 when Gotenks-Buu charged at him.

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Post by Duo » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:08 am

Rocketman wrote:
Duo wrote:As for the blast, there's no way Goku could have powered up to Level 3 quickly enough to stop it. So, indeed, they couldn't do a thing.
Goku jumped from base straight to SSJ3 when Gotenks-Buu charged at him.
With a full-power planet destroyer already moving towards the Earth?

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:36 am

Duo wrote:With a full-power planet destroyer already moving towards the Earth?
Well, yeah. It was two panels, one base, the next SSJ3. No charge time or anything, just BAMF.

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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:31 am

Duo wrote:
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Duo wrote:As for the blast, there's no way Goku could have powered up to Level 3 quickly enough to stop it. So, indeed, they couldn't do a thing.
Goku jumped from base straight to SSJ3 when Gotenks-Buu charged at him.
With a full-power planet destroyer already moving towards the Earth?
Given the theory that Base Super Buu is vastly beyond the power of Kid Buu, then yes; technically Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed rushing at Goku should take place in less time then it takes any attack of Kid Buu's to drop. The fact that it is THIS super buu who rushes at Goku, and Goku "Goes SSj3" before Buu reaches him, is all the proof in the entire darn universe for me, that Goku had more then enough time to go SSj3 and try to stop Buu's attack.

Not to mention the not so insignificant fact, that Goku had time to verbally beg Kid Buu not to throw the attack.

And again (for the last time, this time) I tell you that Goku said: and I quote
We could never stop this
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Post by Victator Supreme » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:32 am

Rocketman wrote:
Duo wrote:As for the blast, there's no way Goku could have powered up to Level 3 quickly enough to stop it. So, indeed, they couldn't do a thing.
Goku jumped from base straight to SSJ3 when Gotenks-Buu charged at him.
That wasn't full power and he got pummeled fighting him.

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Post by Xyex » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:00 am

Which means not a whole lot. They relaxed because he looked like a kid.
They relaxed because he got weaker. Piccolo and the others didn't relax because Freeza got smaller. Vegeta was only calm because he believed he was stronger than Freeza. Size has nothing to do with it.
When he formed the second one, they were horrified, could only flee in panic, and state "we could never stop that blast."
Yes, because Goku would be unable to transform, power-up to his full SSJ3 power, and repel the attack before it reached the planet. He barely had time to grab Hercule and teleport away.
The point is, they didn't know how strong Kid Buu was yet, so they had nothing to go on but his size.
Considering that they were sensing Super Buu's power through out his entire transformation... they knew exactly how much power Kid Buu had. And past experience has already shown that that size doesn't matter.
Given the theory that Base Super Buu is vastly beyond the power of Kid Buu, then yes; technically Super Buu with Gotenks absorbed rushing at Goku should take place in less time then it takes any attack of Kid Buu's to drop.
That's 100% speculation. A charging enemy and a falling attack are completely different. The enemy is coming at you. The attack is not. Also, Goku was merely trying to gather enough power to stop Super Buu from finger flicking him to death. Not to stop a MASSIVE attack designed to completely OBLITERATE the planet.
that Goku had more then enough time to go SSj3 and try to stop Buu's attack.
Key word: try. Goku could have tried. He could have tried all he wanted. But he already knew he wouldn't be fast enough at moving or gathering his power to stop it in time.
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Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:09 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:That wasn't full power and he got pummeled fighting him.
How do you know it wasn't full power? And Goku never fought Gotenks-Buu. The fusion broke up before Buu reached him.

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Post by Super Saiyan Turlast x4 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:55 pm

There is no way Goku and Vegeta only laughed at Buu because of his size. His power diminished significantly, which is why they believed they could take him. The two didn't all of sudden lose the ability to sense chi that fast, did they?

Also; Goku did not have enough time to defend against an attack like that; since, he was focused on getting everyone off the planet as fast as he could.
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Post by FindKenshi » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:44 pm

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:There is no way Goku and Vegeta only laughed at Buu because of his size. His power diminished significantly, which is why they believed they could take him. The two didn't all of sudden lose the ability to sense chi that fast, did they?
No, Buu's power was supressed when he returned to his original form. If it wasn't, then why were they surprised at the force of his blast? Why was their guard down?
Also; Goku did not have enough time to defend against an attack like that; since, he was focused on getting everyone off the planet as fast as he could.
He had time to beg Buu not to throw it, and to state they could never stop it.

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Post by Xyex » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:00 pm

No, Buu's power was supressed when he returned to his original form. If it wasn't, then why were they surprised at the force of his blast? Why was their guard down?
I never got the impression they were shocked by the power of it, but by how fast he created something of that power. Their guard wasn't down, he was just able to gather power/generate attacks faster than they expected.
He had time to beg Buu not to throw it, and to state they could never stop it.
Alright, tell me this. You're laying on your back on home plate with a pro baseball pitcher standing on the pitching mound ready to through a softball at first base (and there-by blow up the planet~). Which would you do? Stand up and try to get to first base or try and convince him not to throw the ball?
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Post by Rocketman » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:04 pm

Xyex wrote:Which would you do? Stand up and try to get to first base or try and convince him not to throw the ball?
Do I have Instant Transmission? :P

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