Who do you think is the most overrated character in DBZ?

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Thu May 01, 2008 10:10 am

Ok if not Gohan, you have got to agree with me that Paragus is the most overrated character of all time. Strutting around with that scar thinking he is da shiz, pfft, that corny line of his just made me sick.

"Hey Frieza you scumbag!"

Yeah right

EDIT: E Gads, did I just see 4 posts in a row?

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Thu May 01, 2008 10:39 am

USSJed wrote:Ok if not Gohan, you have got to agree with me that Paragus is the most overrated character of all time. Strutting around with that scar thinking he is da shiz, pfft, that corny line of his just made me sick.

"Hey Freeza you scumbag!"

Yeah right

EDIT: E Gads, did I just see 4 posts in a row?

Paragus?

He is not overrated he has not even got a decent fanbase.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:03 pm

I am a huge Vegeta fan as well. But I do agree that he is overrated to some extent, but the man has killed a lot of major villains, just because it wasn't freeza or cell, doesn't mean he hasn't defeated/killed some of the baddest of the bad.

Let me get my thinking cap on for a second.
Vegeta Kills and or Defeats the Following:
A Random Saibaman (Maybe it was Nappa?)
Nappa
Kui
Dodoria
Zarbon
Guldo
Recoome
Jeice
Burtur
Ginyu
Andriod 19
Semi Perfect Cell(defeated but not killed obviously)
Pui Pui
Android 14 or 15 (in movie 7)
Hundreds of Humans
A bunch of Namekians
The whole Planet of Arlia

Alright, that all I can remember, but that's pretty good considering he isn't the main character. And I know that he technically didn't defeat Recoome or Burtur, but He did kill them, also, After his power up from the sensu bean during the ginyu saga he was more powerful than Jeice, who was equal with Burtur (possibly Recoome as well?) from what I understand, so he could have easily defeated him to.

Thats a pretty good list, I don't think other main characters have a list that big, not even Goku, or Gohan, or Piccolo, in fact I think that might be more than all of them combined.

Anyway, most overrated character, I am going to say Mystic Gohan. I just don't like him at all, Adult Gohan too.
Now Future Gohan, he was awesome.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:21 pm

omegacwa wrote:I am a huge Vegeta fan as well. But I do agree that he is overrated to some extent, but the man has killed a lot of major villains, just because it wasn't freeza or cell, doesn't mean he hasn't defeated/killed some of the baddest of the bad.

Heh, I still barely give him credit for much of that.

A Random Saibaman- from behind, while defenseless, on his team, and after Tenshinhan just kicked its ass. No points there.
Nappa- His spine was broken. And oh yeah, he was his partner of like two decades. Goku gets the win, Vegeta just gets douchebag points for overkill.
Kui- Legitimate score on Vegeta's part.
Dodoria- Here too.
Zarbon- Here three, but it is notable that he had to get nearly killed and then healed by Zarbon before he could take him. And even then, he resorted to throwing sand in his eyes. "Super Elite" my ass.
Guldo- From behind again- Gurd wasn't even fighting him. I'm not saying the attack was poor of him, just saying I don't count it as display of Vegeta's skill and power.
Recoome- Rikum ate him for breakfast. Vegeta blasted him while he was unconscious. One more kill farmed from Goku's hard work.
Jeice- Legit kill. Go Vegeta!
Burtur- Read: Rikum
Ginyu- No. Ginyu would have whupped Vegeta's ass pre-senzu. He may have been able to take him after senzu, but the version of Ginyu Vegeta fought was in Goku's body with no access to his full power. He was having trouble with Kuririn and Gohan. I think there was a filler scuffle after Ginyu got his other body back, but that body was horribly self-injured. Also, Vegeta would have been taken over (and thus defeated) by Ginyu if Goku hadn't thrown the frog in the way. Score one more for Goku I guess.
Andriod 19- Another legit kill, but it isn't like Piccolo wouldn't have done it if Vegeta hadn't decided this was his prime moment to show off.
Semi Perfect Cell(defeated but not killed obviously)- Then he let's him become perfect. Even fights Trunks to let this happen. Then he promptly gets his ass handed to him on a silver plate. No points.
Pui Pui- Hardcore ownage here, another legit kill. But then, it isn't like everyone else on the scene couldn't take Pui Pui just as easily.
Android 15- Legit kill, although we are talking about a non-canon movie. Likewise Trunks takes out 14 and Goku ultimately kills 13 in that movie, so the ratio is fairly even.
Hundreds of Humans- How does him blowing up a chunk of the Budokai arena count as him defeating "major villains?"
A bunch of Namekians- Read above. Hell, he blew away a guy holding a baby. Fuck Vegeta.
The whole Planet of Arlia- And a filler massacre of a bunch of giant bugs. My fucking hero. It really does take a special kind of jerk to liberate a planet and then blow it up 5 minutes later for the hell of it.

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:25 pm

Onikage725 wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I am a huge Vegeta fan as well. But I do agree that he is overrated to some extent, but the man has killed a lot of major villains, just because it wasn't freeza or cell, doesn't mean he hasn't defeated/killed some of the baddest of the bad.
Heh, I still barely give him credit for much of that.

A Random Saibaman- from behind, while defenseless, on his team, and after Tenshinhan just kicked its ass. No points there.
Nappa- His spine was broken. And oh yeah, he was his partner of like two decades. Goku gets the win, Vegeta just gets douchebag points for overkill.
Kui- Legitimate score on Vegeta's part.
Dodoria- Here too.
Zarbon- Here three, but it is notable that he had to get nearly killed and then healed by Zarbon before he could take him. And even then, he resorted to throwing sand in his eyes. "Super Elite" my ass.
Guldo- From behind again- Gurd wasn't even fighting him. I'm not saying the attack was poor of him, just saying I don't count it as display of Vegeta's skill and power.
Recoome- Rikum ate him for breakfast. Vegeta blasted him while he was unconscious. One more kill farmed from Goku's hard work.
Jeice- Legit kill. Go Vegeta!
Burtur- Read: Rikum
Ginyu- No. Ginyu would have whupped Vegeta's ass pre-senzu. He may have been able to take him after senzu, but the version of Ginyu Vegeta fought was in Goku's body with no access to his full power. He was having trouble with Kuririn and Gohan.
Andriod 19- Another legit kill, but it isn't like Piccolo wouldn't have done it if Vegeta hadn't decided this was his prime moment to show off.
Semi Perfect Cell(defeated but not killed obviously)- Then he let's him become perfect. Even fights Trunks to let this happen. Then he promptly gets his ass handed to him on a silver plate. No points.
Pui Pui- Hardcore ownage here, another legit kill. But then, it isn't like everyone else on the scene couldn't take Pui Pui just as easily.
Android 14 or 15 (in movie 7)
Hundreds of Humans- How does him blowing up a chunk of the Budokai arena count as him defeating "major villains?"
A bunch of Namekians- Read above. Hell, he blew away a guy holding a baby. Fuck Vegeta.
The whole Planet of Arlia- And a filler massacre of a bunch of giant bugs. My fucking hero. It really does take a special kind of jerk to liberate a planet and then blow it up 5 minutes later for the hell of it.

Well he got more kills than Piccolo could ever have.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Thu May 01, 2008 12:36 pm

vicdmx wrote: Well he got more kills than Piccolo could ever have.

On this list I personally "count" the following as actually being badass legit victories- Kewi, Dodoria, Zarbon, Jheece, #15, #19, and Pui Pui. I can give Piccolo Goku (from their first fight in the Daimaou Saga), Sanshou (I think that's the one in Dead Zone he killed), Raditz, a Saibaiman, the big orange demon from movie 4, Dore, Neizu, Sauza, #20 (tho he didn't get to kill him), and at least in the anime he outperformed Vegeta against the Cell Jrs. I'm not saying Piccolo's stronger than Vegeta, but I wouldn't give Vegeta a higher hero scorecard on the grounds that he slaughtered a bunch of guys while helpless and killed more innocents in his villain days. Can you not see how this logic automatically fails?

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:08 pm

Gyah... Gohan bashing... Something told me that was gonna happen.

To those who DID bash my homeboy... Well, I'm taking the high road. I'm a fanboy, but I'm not an idiot.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu May 01, 2008 1:59 pm

Geez Onikage, you don't have to get angry

I was just listing people he killed or defeated. If you count DB, and GT, Goku has easily defeated the most amount. There are plenty of Villains Vegeta could have killed, but hey, he wasn't the main character. If anything I would place Vegeta as 3rd or forth Main character. behind Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Thu May 01, 2008 3:00 pm

omegacwa wrote:Geez Onikage, you don't have to get angry

I was just listing people he killed or defeated. If you count DB, and GT, Goku has easily defeated the most amount. There are plenty of Villains Vegeta could have killed, but hey, he wasn't the main character. If anything I would place Vegeta as 3rd or forth Main character. behind Goku, Gohan, and Piccolo.

Haha I'm not angry. If I say something along the lines of "fuck Vegeta," it's only because I like pointing out what a douche he is. Think of it sort of like Rocketman in regards to Gohan.

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:20 pm

Anyway, most overrated character, I am going to say Mystic Gohan. I just don't like him at all, Adult Gohan too.
Now Future Gohan, he was awesome.

Yeah, can't stand any adult Gohan, Teen Gohan and under is ok.

Anyway here it is, the obvious end to the previous posts. The list of all major(or semi-major) kills in Dragon Ball Z. All gay kills (such as Vegeta killing Recoombe or Burter) are discluded.

FIRST PLACE- TIE, GOHAN AND VEGETA

Vegeta 9 POINTS
-Cui
-Dodoria
-Zarbon
-Guldo
-Jeice
-Android 19
-Semiperfect Cell
-Pui Pui
-Super Buu(Fused)

Gohan 9 POINTS(Yeah it's gay)
-Perfect Cell(Assisted)
-7xCell Jr(?)
-Super Buu

THIRD PLACE- GOKU

Goku 8 POINTS
-Nappa
-Recoombe
-Burter
-Ginyu
-Frieza
-Yakon
-Super Buu(Fused)
-Kid Buu

FORTH PLACE- PICCOLO

Piccolo 4 POINTS
-Raditz
-Saibaman
-Android 20
-Imperfect Cell

FIFTH PLACE- KRILLIN

Krillin 3 POINTS
-3xSaibaman

SIXTH PLACE- FUTURE TRUNKS

Future Trunks 2 POINTS
-Cyborg Frieza
-King Cold

SEVENTH PLACE-TIE, KID TRUNKS, GOTEN, TIEN

Kid Trunks 1 POINT
-Super Buu(Fused)

Goten 1 POINT
-Super Buu(Fused)

Tien 1 POINT
-Saibaman

Now this isn't perfect. For one thing, I have probably forgotten at least one opponent. And the second thing, is that some Villains should be worth more points than others. Goku killing Frieza is more important that Vegeta killing Jeice isn't it?

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Thu May 01, 2008 11:51 pm

.... gay kills? *raising an eyebrow* Well, that's a pleasant way of calling it. I think you meant stupid, or cheap.

As to Veg's list being a lot of shooting people when they're down/in the back? That's how he works a lot of the time. They count as kills, they just also show off what a jackass he is most of the time.

Though, if the argument is plot-important kills I guess I can give ya that.

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Fri May 02, 2008 2:00 am

Its like, Kills that they accomplished through being the better fighter. Not through underhanded backstabbing and such.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:11 am

Haha, the one I would say is most overrated is probably the most popular character in the show.... I think I better keep my trap shut for my own good, especially since I just did a video on the guy lol.

JohnnyBoy_Z · Post by **JohnnyBoy_Z** » Fri May 16, 2008 1:19 am

I'm going to say Broly as well. They made him out to be the strongest being in the entire Dragon Ball universe in the movies, which is absolutely not true. He might be the craziest, most psycho character, though. lol

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:34 am

If your man enough to include GT, then Super Saiyan 4 Goku.

Otherwise, either Vegetto/Gogeta or those frikken Saibamen, your choice

Vegeta Jr · Post by **Vegeta Jr** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:55 am

USSJed wrote:
Anyway, most overrated character, I am going to say Mystic Gohan. I just don't like him at all, Adult Gohan too.
Now Future Gohan, he was awesome.
Yeah, can't stand any adult Gohan, Teen Gohan and under is ok.

Anyway here it is, the obvious end to the previous posts. The list of all major(or semi-major) kills in Dragon Ball Z. All gay kills (such as Vegeta killing Recoombe or Burter) are discluded.

FIRST PLACE- TIE, GOHAN AND VEGETA

Vegeta 9 POINTS
-Cui
-Dodoria
-Zarbon
-Guldo
-Jeice
-Android 19
-Semiperfect Cell
-Pui Pui
-Super Buu(Fused)

Gohan 9 POINTS(Yeah it's gay)
-Perfect Cell(Assisted)
-7xCell Jr(?)
-Super Buu

THIRD PLACE- GOKU

Goku 8 POINTS
-Nappa
-Recoombe
-Burter
-Ginyu
-Freeza
-Yakon
-Super Buu(Fused)
-Kid Buu

FOURTH PLACE- FUTURE TRUNKS

Future Trunks 5 POINTS
-Cyborg Freeza
-King Cold
-Imperfect Cell
-Future #17
-Future #18

FIFTH PLACE- PICCOLO

Piccolo 4 POINTS
-Raditz
-Saibaman
-Android 20
-Imperfect Cell

SIXTH PLACE- KRILLIN

Krillin 3 POINTS
-3xSaibaman

SEVENTH PLACE-TIE, KID TRUNKS, GOTEN, Tenshinhan

Kid Trunks 1 POINT
-Super Buu(Fused)

Goten 1 POINT
-Super Buu(Fused)

Tenshinhan 1 POINT
-Saibaman

Now this isn't perfect. For one thing, I have probably forgotten at least one opponent. And the second thing, is that some Villains should be worth more points than others. Goku killing Freeza is more important that Vegeta killing Jeice isn't it?

Future Trunks also destroyed the future Androids and Imperfect Cell so that's +3 for him.

Also you say kills not defeats, yet Piccolo never killed 20 that was 17's doing. He also didn't kill Imperfect cell, if you are adding defeats then Gohan defeating Vegeta should be on Gohan's as his giant ape form crushed him.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:08 am

Vegeta Jr wrote:
Future Trunks also destroyed the future Androids and Imperfect Cell so that's +3 for him.

You're going to credit kills from alternate timelines?

Thats a +1 for the heart virus then.

DemonKingPiccolo · Post by **DemonKingPiccolo** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:10 am

Broly by far is the most overrated character in the series, he is nothing more than the incredible hulk with blonde hair. What makes it worse is that the character isn't even canon.

Broly fanboys are far worse than the Goku fanboys.

Cell is #2 on my list. He was boring, nothing about the character was new. He was simply a composite of recycled ideas that Toriyama already had. Also Cell had absolutely nothing to do with the Dragon Balls (neither did Boo)

Goku and Gohan share the #3 slot on my list. Goku was overrated, but for all the wrong reasons. Goku's my favorite character in the series, but I like him for his personality and sense of humor, most other people like him because of his fighting ability; which is totally dumb because only one of his canon techniques is purely his own (kiai). The only Gohan that I've ever liked was the one during the Cell saga, Gohan just never really caught my interest as a character.

Vegeta is pretty overrated as well, on my list, he'd probably be grouped in with Gohan and Goku.

Vegeta Jr · Post by **Vegeta Jr** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:15 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
Vegeta Jr wrote:
Future Trunks also destroyed the future Androids and Imperfect Cell so that's +3 for him.
You're going to credit kills from alternate timelines?

Thats a +1 for the heart virus then.

If we are crediting characters from an alternate timeline (Trunks himself) then yes.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Sat May 17, 2008 2:46 pm

vicdmx wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:
omegacwa wrote:I am a huge Vegeta fan as well. But I do agree that he is overrated to some extent, but the man has killed a lot of major villains, just because it wasn't freeza or cell, doesn't mean he hasn't defeated/killed some of the baddest of the bad.
Heh, I still barely give him credit for much of that.

A Random Saibaman- from behind, while defenseless, on his team, and after Tenshinhan just kicked its ass. No points there.
Nappa- His spine was broken. And oh yeah, he was his partner of like two decades. Goku gets the win, Vegeta just gets douchebag points for overkill.
Kui- Legitimate score on Vegeta's part.
Dodoria- Here too.
Zarbon- Here three, but it is notable that he had to get nearly killed and then healed by Zarbon before he could take him. And even then, he resorted to throwing sand in his eyes. "Super Elite" my ass.
Guldo- From behind again- Gurd wasn't even fighting him. I'm not saying the attack was poor of him, just saying I don't count it as display of Vegeta's skill and power.
Recoome- Rikum ate him for breakfast. Vegeta blasted him while he was unconscious. One more kill farmed from Goku's hard work.
Jeice- Legit kill. Go Vegeta!
Burtur- Read: Rikum
Ginyu- No. Ginyu would have whupped Vegeta's ass pre-senzu. He may have been able to take him after senzu, but the version of Ginyu Vegeta fought was in Goku's body with no access to his full power. He was having trouble with Kuririn and Gohan.
Andriod 19- Another legit kill, but it isn't like Piccolo wouldn't have done it if Vegeta hadn't decided this was his prime moment to show off.
Semi Perfect Cell(defeated but not killed obviously)- Then he let's him become perfect. Even fights Trunks to let this happen. Then he promptly gets his ass handed to him on a silver plate. No points.
Pui Pui- Hardcore ownage here, another legit kill. But then, it isn't like everyone else on the scene couldn't take Pui Pui just as easily.
Android 14 or 15 (in movie 7)
Hundreds of Humans- How does him blowing up a chunk of the Budokai arena count as him defeating "major villains?"
A bunch of Namekians- Read above. Hell, he blew away a guy holding a baby. Fuck Vegeta.
The whole Planet of Arlia- And a filler massacre of a bunch of giant bugs. My fucking hero. It really does take a special kind of jerk to liberate a planet and then blow it up 5 minutes later for the hell of it.
Well he got more kills than Piccolo could ever have.

You're forgetting Vegeta's biggest win. He defeated Goku in the Saiyan saga. Remember?

Kanzenshuu

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