Who is the strongest human?

[Pain]

I'm not implying it, I'm saying it.

Then you are wrong.

Tenshinhan would've been closer to Ginyu's power when he was training with Kaio.

No. Goku trained on King Kai's for a year, trained in 100x gravity, got four or five Zenkais...and still could only top Ginyu by using the Kaioken. And Goku's a Saiyan. Tenshinhan can't get anywhere near that kind of power growth.

Then he trained for the Androids and gained more power still -- being able to hold his own against a Cell Jr. as effectively as beaten Goku.

Filler. Doesn't count. Piccolo and the humans get buttraped by the Cell Jrs.

And with Ten's personality, I doubt he would've eased his training regiment at all, even with peace. It wasn't his nature to stop. So yes, I do think he should've fought Buu a bit longer, surprising him and angering him, causing Buu to obliterate him.

Wait...you think Tenshinhan should be surprising a Buu that's been smacking Mystic Fucking Gohan around for the last half hour?

We're through the looking glass now, gentlemen.

I still can't find any way to like your overly exaggerative and swear word infested posts. But that doesn't matter. I'm quoting you because I found a big error in a response that you gave. You say that Son Goku trained under Kaio Sama for a year? That's wrong. You're about 282 days wrong. Son Goku got to Kaio Sama's planet with 88 days to spare. He trained for about 86 or 85 days, because he had to run across Snake Way again and get to Enma's office, so Kami-Sama could pick him up and take him to Earth. And so I must add that Tenshinhan was OBVIOUSLY stronger than Son Goku was when HE trained under Kaio-Sama.

I also think that just because Tenshinhan fighting the Ginyu Force was filler, doesn't mean it has a difference on how they fought the Cell Jr.s. Remember, the Cell Jr.s are just as strong as Perfect Cell.

[caejones]

O.O.

I'm... just going to go with Xyex on this one.

Hmm. Ten was capable of holding down Semi Perfect Cell with the Shin Kikoho. SSJ2 Gohan at the tournament was somewhere around Perfect Cell power (give or take considering his slacking off). Buu's revival required almost exactly twice Gohan's SSJ2 power. Buu transforms, and everything goes crazy--but we do know that SSJ3 Goku, was in the neighborhood of stronger than Fat Buu, and that Gotenks is probably in the same general area. So Gotenks-Buu is at least four times the power of Perfect Cell--just as an idea of what we're looking at, here. Throw in Piccolo, and the fact that we have no idea how absorbtion affected Cell's power, and...Meh, we're looking at a situation in which Goku, and only Goku, who was dead at the time, had managed to train well enough to withstand half of that power.
Unless Tenshinhan had a gravity chamber inside the RoSaT, got bit by a radioactive Oozaru (Maybe this was one of Goten's early adventures? XD) and discovered secrets of the universe that would have allowed him to trap Buu in a denshi Jar that he materializes mid-mafuba... You get where I'm going with this, right? As awesome as Tenshinhan is... Goku wanted to permanently fuse with his son to overcome Gotenks-Buu, while Goku was the only person in the universe who had trained himself to be close to that power. (And the elder Kaioshin was Z-Sworded during the pre-Buu peace, so he didn't give us a mystic Tenshinhan. . ).

Filler has a tendency to show the humans doing better than they should--see Yamcha Vs Paikuhan. (Though Paikuhan could well have been holding back for all we know... Cell Jrs might have, but I'm doubting it). (Consider also that the attacks from the humans in the filler before superperfect Cell was defeated were useless).

So yah, regardless of how Kaio training affected Tenshinhan's power. It would take a miracle for him to scratch Buu, especially with Gotenks and Piccolo boosting his abilitis. ... Abilities. Abilitis is a rare disease that, when contracted, guarantees that the victim will be the main character of a shounen manga. (Well, ok, arguably Ten has abilitis given his 23rd tournament performance. ... What...ever... *grumbles about lame accidental jokes*)

[Tyro]

Son Goku got to Kaio Sama's planet with 88 days to spare.

Goku trained for 158 days; not 88.

I believe in the manga he's simply shown to be in weighted clothing (the outfit he's wearing when he appears) though the anime gives a quick scene earlier with him and Chaotzu doing some training.

I believe that is just warm clothing, because he's in the mountains.

[Pain]

Son Goku got to Kaio Sama's planet with 88 days to spare.

Goku trained for 158 days; not 88.

I believe in the manga he's simply shown to be in weighted clothing (the outfit he's wearing when he appears) though the anime gives a quick scene earlier with him and Chaotzu doing some training.

I believe that is just warm clothing, because he's in the mountains.

Oh, you're right. i just checked my volume 2 and it's 158 days. guess I got it wrong because I was going by memory. But I still stand by what I said about Tenshinhan.

[Victator Supreme]

This thread has shifted from Kuririn vs Tenshinhan to Goku vs Tenshinhan*. I think that answers the original question.

[SSJmole]

Giving birth is a factor because it means all her reproduction organs are human , The fact she eats later means digestive system is they. So if all her internal organs are human the only robotic part could be limbs ie arms and legs.

Her limbs are flesh and blood too. As Bulma points out she's only got "a few mechnical parts". It's likely just this and that inserted into various areas of her body. And 18 isn't fully human, she's a Cyborg. If her implants count than so does Gohan's Saiya-jin DNA so he's the strongest human.

Not really as Gohan = 50% human 50% saiyan.

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

[mrkaizoku]

If she counted as human why would Kuririn wish for her humanity back? She is and will remain an artificial/synthetic human.

[Kaboom]

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

XD

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[omegacwa]

Lets put it this way. In the Manga, there is no real way of knowing how strong Tenshinhan became, because powerlevels are never stated after Trunks' "5" against Mecha Freeza.

If I had to guess, I would say that Tenshinhan and Krillin both approach about 100,000 by the Buu saga. That might even be too high for most people, but I think that is a fair estimate, with Yamcha being somewhere in 30-75 thousand range, due to his complete lack of caring.

[SSJmole]

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

XD

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Yay! I was sigged.

[djkalteraphine]

This thread has shifted from Kuririn vs Tenshinhan to Goku vs Tenshinhan*. I think that answers the original question.

Exactly.

[Xyex]

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

Goku Jr.'s still considered by most to be a Saiya-jin and he's even more human than 18.

If I had to guess, I would say that Tenshinhan and Krillin both approach about 100,000 by the Buu saga. That might even be too high for most people, but I think that is a fair estimate, with Yamcha being somewhere in 30-75 thousand range, due to his complete lack of caring.

Yeah. That sounds about right to me. I'd say at best at the start of Buu Tien would be around 100k, Krillin somewhere in the 70k range, and Yamcha probably around 20k (no training plus slacking off = less power than he had when the Androids where around).

[FindKenshi]

However, the Shin Kiko-ho is a technique that pushes Tenshinhan to the brink. He almost dies from using it, just to hold Cell down. At the end, Cell has no damage to show.

It's my own personal opinion that Kuririn surpasses Tenshinhan by the end of Dragonball. Although Tenshinhan was superior to him in the beginning, I personally feel that Kuririn pulled ahead while training with Kami-sama.

During the battle with Nappa, Kuririn's preformance was much more impressive than Tenshinhan's. While Tenshinhan was frozen like a deer in head lights, long enough for Piccolo to yell out "Get down," Kuririn actually dodged an attack or two from Nappa--even causing Vegeta to compliment him and his movement.

Kuririn also was able to cause more damage to Nappa than Tenshinhan was able to, as he once kicked him and sent him flying back with a flank attack, and of course his kienzan, which slice Nappa's cheek. Tenshinhan's own ultimate attack flanked Nappa and still caused zero daamge.

Now we enter the Namek saga. Kuririn stayed active, evading dangerous opponents, and having his potential energy unleashed. Tenshinhan trained for nearly a year at Kaio-Sama's. This is the point where personal opinion takes the center stage. In my own, I don't think any ammount of training would really be better than just having your potential automatically unlocked by Saichoro.

Like was pointed out, Tenshinhan was already over 1,000 when he showed up on Kaio's. So he would actually have less work to do just to overcome the gravity there. Also, wouldn't training with Kaio simply just reveal more and more of your potential? However, Kuririn got his automatically unlocked.

Now the biggest argument that always pops up to this is people pointing out to me that Gohan got his potential unlocked by Saichoro as well, and later became far stronger. Clearly Saichoro's ability to unlock hidden potential leaves much to be desired. Not so.

Gohan was only just five (or was it four?) years old at the time. I'm of the opinion that a five year old's maximum potential is considerably lower than what he could achieve at his peak. So my way of looking at it is this: Saichoro unlocked all the potential that was currenlty in Gohan's body. As his body grew older and stronger, more potential would reveal itself and remain hidden.

So now we have Kuririn, who's basically old enough to be at his physical peak--whatever hidden potential rests in his body is the most he'll ever have. Tenshinhan and the others, who are of similar age probably couldn't increase their power to the upmost maximum potential even if they trained at Kaio-sama's for one thousand years, let alone 280 days.

It's just one theory. But the bottom line is that Yamcha does mention Kuririn as being "...the strongest on Earth. Among humans, that is."

[Xyex]

Tenshinhan's own ultimate attack flanked Nappa and still caused zero daamge.

Tien was already half dead and only had one hand left to do the attack with. The two attacks ("Kikoho" and "Kienzan") also function quite differently. The latter can slice through just about anything no matter the power difference while the former relies on the users power to determine its strength.

So now we have Kuririn, who's basically old enough to be at his physical peak--whatever hidden potential rests in his body is the most he'll ever have.

In which case Krillin would be stuck in the 20 to 30 thousand range for the remainder of the series. Thus he'd have no reason to train for the Androids. But he does. So we know this is not true.

It's just one theory. But the bottom line is that Yamcha does mention Kuririn as being "...the strongest on Earth. Among humans, that is."

After not seeing Tien for the last seven years and having no idea how strong he is now.

[SSJmole]

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

Goku Jr.'s still considered by most to be a Saiya-jin and he's even more human than 18.

Nope he's filler

[Xyex]

18 = at least 85% human, She much more human than machine. It's like Pamela anderson is still human despite been 25% plastic

Goku Jr.'s still considered by most to be a Saiya-jin and he's even more human than 18.

Nope he's filler

He's not filler. He's at the end of the series. There's nothing left to fill.

[Kaboom]

It's just one theory. But the bottom line is that Yamcha does mention Kuririn as being "...the strongest on Earth. Among humans, that is."

After not seeing Tenshinhan for the last seven years and having no idea how strong he is now.

That, and unless I'm mistaken it's little Marron he's talking to. Whether it's true or not, it strikes me as just saying, "your daddy's the strongest human in the world!"

[SSJmole]

Goku Jr.'s still considered by most to be a Saiya-jin and he's even more human than 18.

Nope he's filler

He's not filler. He's at the end of the series. There's nothing left to fill.

Fine he's Non-cannon

[AnzuMazaki]

If I had to guess, I would say that Tenshinhan and Krillin both approach about 100,000 by the Buu saga. That might even be too high for most people, but I think that is a fair estimate, with Yamcha being somewhere in 30-75 thousand range, due to his complete lack of caring.

Yeah, I wouldn't give a shit about fighting aliens too if my friend showed monsters in my face all day, without me being a monk or trained by a complete assshole to be a assasin.

The men at Bulma's school before she went to find the Dragonballs, would hate Martial Arts too if they got dragged along by her and saw such monsters as the Red Ribbon Army, Pilaf, Piccolo Daimao, Frieza, Vegeta etc.

I still think the strongest human is tied between Kuririn and Tenshinhan because they weren't raised around women born in 733 or 736.

[omegacwa]

I am just saying that it appeared that Yamcha stopped training almost completely after the Cell Arc. Before that he cared a lot about fighting, except for the few years between Dragonball and Z.