What are some members' views on copyright & piracy?

SonEric84 · Post by **SonEric84** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:04 pm

VegettoEX wrote:For the record, the vast majority of comments I'm seeing here are filled with completely made-up, non-existent, and horribly inaccurate "laws" and "rules" with personal justifications for those reasonings.

Just sayin'.

I'm kinda curious as to what your views are on this Mike. I mean, Daizex did used to have a pretty decent size music download section if I remember correctly. (Which I enjoyed thoroughly at the time.

) The quality was a lower bit rate though, wasn't it?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:09 pm

Super 17 wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:
Super 17 wrote:I get confused too with this subject. Is it wrong to watch episodes on youtube that have been uploaded by a person who bought original copies and if your not downloading them and just watching them to enjoy them?
It's not illegal to watch them, just to upload or download them. But it is morally wrong, and still robs the licensing company of their deserved profits. If you just want to watch a part of an individual episode on YouTube or something than it's pretty much fine. But if your using streaming full episodes/movies as a way to watch the entire series than you're being a loser!
It's not wrong if your watching them on youtube with your (referring to me) own languague audio. My friends wanted me to watch Saint Seiya and since the english version did even make it through a quarter of finishing it and it had terrible music and acting as always, I had to watch it in the Mexican version which has no DVD releases and I couldn't watch in Japanese since the they never put subs for it. So I'm tecnically right on this one.

ADV has two uncut collections up for sale right now. But they can't get finished with the series because Toei is being a dick with the rights.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:40 pm

omegacwa wrote:Think about this. A lot of people saw Dark Knight. It made over 500 million dollars. But imagine what the total could have been if there weren't those assholes on the internet who bootlegged it and decided they had no need to see it in the theater. You would be surprised at how many off these people there are.

Are you saying that you think Dark Knight need to make even MORE money?! j/k

For movies, anime, and manga piracy isn't so huge problem (for me at least). Because I always end up buying the legitimate version eventually. For manga this is because I don't want to read computer screen scans; for movies and anime it's because I want only the best quality DVDs and the legitimate version is always the best looking.

The areas where piracy is a big problem for me is in areas where the downloadable version is identical to the purchased version. The one's I'm thinking of right now are music and PC games. I often download something with the intention to sample it and then end up never buying the real thing because it's no different than what I already have.

Also, I don't believe in pay-to-download services. I will never pay money for something that is not a physical object (i.e. DVD, book, um... frying pan?)

Bardock the Mexican · Post by **Bardock the Mexican** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:51 pm

I have the belief that if it's a bootleg of anything be it tapes, DVDs, tshirts, pens, pencils, erasers, action figures or whatever it's wrong. You don't do that because it steals from the people who put their time into making the thing you bought a bootleg of. That is x amount of prouduct that the person doesn't have money to justify time and effort. It's taking ideas and creativity from another person. It's taking information when you copy a DVD or a tape. TV shows are more in the gray area since most of the money isn't paid for by the veiwer. It's from the cost of the cable and other things I don't know much about. SO, you want the real answer? Don't do it if you think for a second that somthing you are buying is a bootleg. You may be able to say that you had no idea if that is true. But don't lie too as you won't get away with it for long and the lies become more lies. That's all.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:21 pm

By Canadian sampling laws, I walk a VERY thin line when it comes to pirating: I rent DVDs, make a sample copy, and return the original while keeping the copy. Though technically legal, the law really does imply that you can only do that to owned copies.

I don't consider pirating as theft by Canadian law. If I own a DVD, I'm allowed to make as many copies of it as I want. Giving away copies (for free) I consider as free use and therefore do. IIRC, however, Canadian law considers any sharing of sample copies to be a legal violation of the sampling law.

As for selling or trading copies, I consider that bootlegging and not piracy, and therefore find it illegal and don't take part in it. (Though I did take part in Tape Buying and Tape Trading when the only source of DBZ/GT in North America was through craptacular fansubs.)

As for downloading, I think it's circumstancial (which is why so many companies are trying to make it illegal in Canada). It sounds a hell of a lot as merely a digital form of the sampling law. If you were paying for the right to download (**coughNARUTOFAN.COMcough**), then I would consider it illegal since it sounds like digital bootlegging.

However, I'm a total hypocrite when it comes to purchasing material that's non-existant in North America. If it can't and be obtained and sounds like it won't be anytime soon (in a circumstance that makes overseas imports illegal), then I'll totally break such a law and bootleg if necessary.

EDIT: Oh, and that commercial about how download and copies steal from the workers and not the companies is bullshit. The only argument that makes sense is that it prevents potential profit for the company. I've never met a stuntman or crewmember who get paid via a percentage of the gross income, have you?

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:36 pm

So... what about TV series that are currently airing on public television in some other country than your own? Sure, Joe American can just turn on his TV to watch the newest episode of Superduperman X, but what if Bob Italian wants to check the show out? Is it "fair" for Joe to see the show for free, while Bob has to wait a year until it's available on DVD, and then pay 10$ on average per episode when shipping is included, even though both Bob and Joe pay their TV license. Can Joe complain about how Bob breaks the law to obtain what Joe doesn't pay a penny more than Bob does to watch?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:00 pm

Adamant wrote:So... what about TV series that are currently airing on public television in some other country than your own? Sure, Joe American can just turn on his TV to watch the newest episode of Superduperman X, but what if Bob Italian wants to check the show out? Is it "fair" for Joe to see the show for free, while Bob has to wait a year until it's available on DVD, and then pay 10$ on average per episode when shipping is included, even though both Bob and Joe pay their TV license. Can Joe complain about how Bob breaks the law to obtain what Joe doesn't pay a penny more than Bob does to watch?

Joe American is paying for it by getting cable or satellite or whatever. Bob just doesn't have the option to make that payment, which is where my hypocrisy escape clause comes into effect.

russ869 · Post by **russ869** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 5:33 pm

I must say I own a ton of things (mainly anime) that would not have bought if I hadn't downloaded it first. I don't blind buy things very often; I have to sample them first. The only bootlegs I ever bought that I didn't buy the legit release later were because a legit release didn't exist.

Wojak wrote:I think that it's not good to judge eachother for their desicions, especially as this thread comes into how we take care of things is our private life, how we deal with our possessions or entertainment, and it should involve some delicacy.

Everyone has got their economy, and the term "being a poor college student" is vast, and I did not write my post to compare how much or how little someone manages to put away.
As it's too private, I cannot go into detail about my economical situation, but all I know is that even though I loan money, in the end of the year, I go into further debt, and can't even eat properly. And with that I mean not affording food.
All I know that I'll in a couple of years buy all these movies, so many that it will overrun the numbers of what I've downloaded.

And oh, yes, everyone has the right to entertainment, even I do. And how I deal with getting my entertainment, is nothing to get angry of, actuallty.

HAAA haa haa! The "right to entertainment?!!" Lemme guess, you're one of those people who believes in a "right to food" too. As in, no matter how poor, lazy and worthless you are, you still deserve to have everyone else pick the slack for your needs. What a joke!

I'm not gonna feel sorry for people like that, and even if I did just giving away free stuff wouldn't help them.

Wojak wrote:Like, as an example, what makes people not to punch eachother in the face all the time?

Wait. You're telling me that you know someone who doesn't punch people in the face all the time?

Wojak · Post by **Wojak** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:29 pm

russ869, Civilized as a monkey wrote:I must say I own a ton of things (mainly anime) that would not have bought if I hadn't downloaded it first. I don't blind buy things very often; I have to sample them first. The only bootlegs I ever bought that I didn't buy the legit release later were because a legit release didn't exist.

Wojak wrote:I think that it's not good to judge eachother for their desicions, especially as this thread comes into how we take care of things is our private life, how we deal with our possessions or entertainment, and it should involve some delicacy.

Everyone has got their economy, and the term "being a poor college student" is vast, and I did not write my post to compare how much or how little someone manages to put away.
As it's too private, I cannot go into detail about my economical situation, but all I know is that even though I loan money, in the end of the year, I go into further debt, and can't even eat properly. And with that I mean not affording food.
All I know that I'll in a couple of years buy all these movies, so many that it will overrun the numbers of what I've downloaded.

And oh, yes, everyone has the right to entertainment, even I do. And how I deal with getting my entertainment, is nothing to get angry of, actuallty.
HAAA haa haa! The "right to entertainment?!!" Lemme guess, you're one of those people who believes in a "right to food" too. As in, no matter how poor, lazy and worthless you are, you still deserve to have everyone else pick the slack for your needs. What a joke!

I'm not gonna feel sorry for people like that, and even if I did just giving away free stuff wouldn't help them.

Wojak wrote:Like, as an example, what makes people not to punch eachother in the face all the time?
Wait. You're telling me that you know someone who doesn't punch people in the face all the time?

What's bad for you is that I am not one of those people that get offended by a guy that laughs at me in a forum.
If you want to call me stupid,you can do so via PM.
Either way, people like you are a waste of time. Laughing at someone else, and not putting an effort to be civilized.
You know nothing about me to call me lazy and worthless.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:52 pm

And you're all done. This is why we can't have nice things.