Dragonball Movie to Do Reshoots

[Kaboom]

Whoa. Firstly, how do you know that about the movie? You don't know all that stuff, and it certainly cannot be seen by the trailer or the pictures.

I've been following the movie very closely. The pictures and the leaked promo are just the tip of the iceberg. On top of them, there's been scores of magazine articles, interviews, e-mails, and the like, that have revealed a LOT of extra information. Just ask Jappo; most of it has found its way to his site.

As for having to gather seven Dragon Balls...yeah. That is the ENTIRE point of the story.

In both the series AND the movie.

[SSj_Rambo]

I know that the leaked trailers got a ton of attention here, but did they recieve so many reviews (negative or postive) anywhere else? I mean, if Fox is doing these re-shoots based on reactions to the trailers I have to assume that some of those reactions they are talking about are from here...which is cool I guess.

[Olivier Hague]

What do you make of this?

Fun, of course.

With re-doing things, that happens. Remember Two Towers and Return of the King had flown the cast members down after most was done to re-do some things after Fellowship came out.

That's... not the example that first came to mind.

屁?! 胴四手突詰葉子野正藻内映画二出流死科?!

I actually understood that. Shoot me.

[Kaboom]

I know that the leaked trailers got a ton of attention here, but did they recieve so many reviews (negative or postive) anywhere else? I mean, if Fox is doing these re-shoots based on reactions to the trailers I have to assume that some of those reactions they are talking about are from here...which is cool I guess.

They don't care about our reaction to the promo (not teaser). We were never meant to see it in the first place. Reshoots happen all the time in movies, when in retrospect, something needs to be added or done differently. They're not going to go outright changing anything major because a handful of whiny fans were displeased.

[Captain Awesome]

I think now more than ever the pro movie crowd are guilty of basing their judgements on their hopes for the film, rather than the information we actually have.

I don't mean to single you out Kaboom, but this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Goku starts off the story already a teenager, instead of a young boy. Probably better than having a child actor try to portray Goku's completely naive, clueless, innocent young self. Instead, we're getting a teenage Goku more akin to his 23rd Budokai self, who's a little older, and SLIGHTLY more wise to the ways of the world. Much easier a character to work with.

That is a completely baseless comment, that conclusion is something you reached because of what you want to be in the film, not what we actually know about the film.

I'm all for sunny optimism, but not at the expense of reality.

[Kaboom]

I'm all for sunny optimism, but not at the expense of reality.

Some of it is wishful thinking, granted. But not baseless, I promise. I'm really thinking through what I say, and trying my best to approach it with the mindset of a movie maker AND a fan, instead of just the latter. Given the choice between start-of-series Goku and 23rd Budokai Goku, and with a whole plot to work with and around, which would YOU rather try to portray in a movie? It would be really, really hard to get Goku's character right with a child actor without it being grating and annoying. I don't want a repeat of The Phantom Menace.

As for the continued "sides" rubbish, the "pros" are no more guilty of drawing wild conclusions or predictions from the material than the "con" side is. The idea that Goku is mopey and emo or easily bullied, for example. Or the "yellow car = movie-Kinto'Un" debacle from the last page. I'd just rather speculate in a more productive and positive manner than assume the worst at every turn.

[Kunzait_83]

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[Captain Awesome]

Some of it is wishful thinking, granted. But not baseless, I assure you (certainly not in comparison to stuff like "yellow car = movie-Kinto'un"). I'm really thinking through what I say, and trying my best to approach it with the mindset of a movie maker instead of a fan. Given the choice between start-of-series Goku and 23rd Budokai Goku, and with a whole plot to work with and around, which would YOU rather try to portray in a movie? It would be really, really hard to get Goku's character right with a child actor without it being grating and annoying. I don't want a repeat of The Phantom Menace.

My point was that there is as much evidence of Goku being his 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai self, as there is that yellow car being Kinto'un, which would be none whatsoever.

And I honestly would have preferred to see Son Goku start out as a child and grow up over the course of three movies, but I'm a jerk like that.

Also, the main problem with The Phantom Menace, wasn't the dumb kid, it was George Lucas .

[Kaboom]

My point was that there is as much evidence of Goku being his 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai self, as there is that yellow car being Kinto'un, which would be none whatsoever.

And likewise, my point was that teenager Goku would be far easier to adapt and work with, mostly because of age. Not that he will end up the same. I won't know that until I see the movie, or at least a more revealing trailer. I never meant to imply I knew how his character would end up; I'm not psychic. If it helps, I edited that sentence in my original post to be a little more clear.

[Joey Batz]

Am I the only one who DOESN'T think this movie will necessarily be bad? I saw that little "teaser" trailer and I can't wait to see the movie! I think it has a chance of being good.

I'm as big a DB fan as all of you and I have 42 volumes of manga to prove it, but I think a lot of people here are getting incensed over the fact that the movie WON'T be a live action retelling of the manga. And that's a good thing. I love Goku's character, but having a 12 year old (or a 5 year old playing a 12 year old) running around, giggling while scratching the back of his head with his eyes closed before running to devour an entire steak literally without chewing just doesn't work on the big screen.

It's a movie adaptation. It's supposed to look different. It's supposed to BE different. Look at Transformers. Megatron doesn't look anything like that, and Devastator is supposed to be a merger of all 5 Constructicons, not a separate Decepticon. Shia Lebouf's character is named Sam Witwicky while in the original cartoon it was Spike Witwicky, and I'll tell you that Spike's girlfriend/wife Carly didn't look anything like Megan Fox. The Spider-Man movies were awesome, even though Peter and MJ didn't know each other in high school, the Green Goblin didn't wear armor (and was introduced AFTER Doctor Octopus and the Sandman (who had NOTHING to do with Uncle Ben's death (which was during a home invasion, not a car jacking))), and the battle on the Brooklyn Bridge led to Gwen Stacy's death, not the safe rescue of MJ and a bunch of children. That's some major stuff that was changed (along with the look and origin of the alien costume), but it was still a great trilogy, right?

I'm not saying it WON'T suck, and I could see why many think the Dragon Ball movie would suck. Even though it's still too early to tell anything (which is the biggest thing at this point: IT'S STILL TOO EARLY TO TELL ANYTHING!!!!), there is still a lot we know about this movie that can go either way. But my thing is that a lot of people here are assuming that this will literally be the worst movie on Earth simply because it is not a live action retelling of the 400+ episode anime. Think about how a live action reenactment of the anime would look, folks. Just think about it.

Also, Goku being in high school doesn't necessarily mean High School Musical 4. And if it does, well, Vanessa Hudgens is hot. So worst comes to worst, she's always welcome in the movie. Seriously though, the best thing they can do is having Chatwin play Goku as Buu Saga Gohan. Appropriate, I'd say. And of course, for the greatest scene in any movie in the history of motion pictures:

Goku: "Flying Nimbus!"
A yellow sports car without a driver pulls up next to him.

^^Yeah, that won't be happening.

[Saiyan-Professor]

....Fox certainly does deserve at least some small degree of kudos for resisting what I’m sure must’ve been a grave marketing temptation to have this be a DBZ movie consisting of absolutely nothing but a mindless SSJ Vegeta or Broli testosterone-fest, with lots of nameless, faceless golden haired, musclebound wrestler types beating the shit out of nameless saps right from moment one up to the end credits with a plot being totally optional at best...

I would have loved a movie like that; sometimes I wonder why they bothered with this one? I am anticipating Vegeta and any other “Z” related character that they decide to add in the sequel. That is if they decide to make one.

[Rocketman]

In summary,

Pro-Movie: HISS!
Anti-Movie: YOWL!
VegettoEX: *throws boot* Ehhh, shaddup!

[Acid_Reign]

That's so what I'm looking forward to. Here's to hoping they'll make a movie in which Goku kicks Chatwin's ass.

I’m not, actually. Although I’d love to see that, Dragon Ball hasn’t been able to catch a break here in America. It has nothing to prove in Japan, and most people stateswide wouldn’t end up seeing something like that. I want it to be able to defy its stereotype as (to paraphrase another poster) “a testosterone-driven kiddy fest” and stand up to the same standards held for other good stories.

The former is shaping up to be still plenty as spunky, smart, and resourceful as her original self. 'Cept now, she's also good with guns. That's an improvement. She's still smart, and it's gonna be kickass if she gets to put those brains of hers to some tactical use. It'd be hilarious to see her and Yamcha defending themselves against a horde of Fulum, and Bulma actually saving Yamcha's skin once or twice. I'm looking forward to the idea of her and Chi-Chi possibly teaming up against Mai.

Bulma hasn’t spoken a word in any of the material we’ve seen. She basically just has guns. There isn’t anything to suggest her spunkiness, intelligence, or resourcefulness, or anything really other than that she brandishes projectile weaponry.

1) An eclipse. This may have something to do with releasing Piccolo, or it may have a more "traditional" role as far as lunar activity is concerned in DragonBall and have some effect on Goku. We don't know yet.

I thought the former was already confirmed through the early casting call sheets and the movie the novel.

Honestly Speed Racer bombed because no one likes speed racer, fact.

Sooooo NOT fact.

I loved Speed Racer; although I wasn’t a diehard fan I think the Wachowskis did an excellent job of capturing the essence of the animé onto the big screen. I do agree with omega though, and would only change the phrasing to “not as many people like it as they do Iron Man.” American super-heroes will always do better in America than Eastern super-heroes. The climate might shift slightly as future generations will have grown up with more and more imported media, but all in all, homemade characters have been here longer; they already have an established identity, and that’s tough to compete with.

I actually understood that. Shoot me.

Translation: Chinese » English

Fart?! Torso hand sudden population leaves four wild species are in motion picture stream 2 dead branches?!

That close?


Anyway, I’d like for us not to repeat the same arguments we’ve been having for months now, because that just drives home the point that we can’t have civil discussions here.

[Olivier Hague]

the movie the novel.

'Looks like I missed that one. "We" (i.e. "you", really) heard something about the novelization?

[Acid_Reign]

'Looks like I missed that one. "We" (i.e. "you", really) heard something about the novelization?

You know, I had thought there was some mention of the eclipse in the description for the Junior Novel or other related media, but looking back now I’m not able to find anything. Maybe I just remembered wrong. At any rate, we do still have this:

Piccolo is the cursed ruler of a demonic race who nearly destroyed Earth 2000 years ago, and with the coming of the eclipse and the possession of all seven Dragon Balls, he’s prepared to free himself and do the job right this time.

Even though it’s ostensibly from an earlier draft and could have been completely rewritten, it’s all we have to go on and seeing as there’s been nothing to suggest “Ōzaru” other than fan speculation I would wager my bets on it indeed pertaining to Piccolo.

[Snail]

My point was that there is as much evidence of Goku being his 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai self, as there is that yellow car being Kinto'un, which would be none whatsoever.

And likewise, my point was that teenager Goku would be far easier to adapt and work with, mostly because of age. Not that he will end up the same. I won't know that until I see the movie, or at least a more revealing trailer. I never meant to imply I knew how his character would end up; I'm not psychic. If it helps, I edited that sentence in my original post to be a little more clear.

Sticking Chatku into a martial arts school with Gohan being the lead teacher would have been a much more fitting. Why complicate things and deviate more from Goku's origins from when the first set viewers were introduced to our little monkey-boy?

[The Time Traveller]

2) Since when is it "movie-Kinto'un?" Are people not allowed to drive cars in the movie?

When I first saw the car, it was like they were thinking "Kids liked Transformers, lets put the yellow/black car in this!" It's fucking Bumblebee!

The thing that bothers me most isn't that they fucked up Dragon Ball majorly, but that they're making it look like a Blockbuster clone. So far it resembles Spider-man, Transformers, and Fantastic Four, they don't care about the fans, they want something Kids will beg their parents to get them toys of. Just like Transformers. A big marketing ploy... Just like Fantastic Four...

I want toys of this.
Maybe Medicom will do a Real Action Hero Chatwinku and Marsterllo (What the fuck am I talking about?), then I'll have to get those and Goku and Piccolo eventually.

Ah well, it was like this on the Seibertron forums, I guarantee we'll get a lot more fans joining to talk about the movie or because the movie got them into Dragon Ball and Anime (XD, I know, I know, right?). And Mike'll probably have to add another section.



Also, there was a rumour going around that the movie would be cancelled?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

Time Traveler...

...The ORIGINAL Transformers was just made to get kids to buy toys of it. It's probably the WORST example, since it was BORN to be whored out by marketing. xD

Original fans are fans of a shallow, 30-minute ad for toys. =p

[The Time Traveller]

Time Traveler...

...The ORIGINAL Transformers was just made to get kids to buy toys of it. It's probably the WORST example, since it was BORN to be whored out by marketing. xD

Original fans are fans of a shallow, 30-minute ad for toys. =p

I know that, but the new movie was more than a toy commercial, it was a CAR commercial!

At least the Toei Transformers movie was awesoooooooome.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

The Transformers movie was basically funded by car companies. It's pretty topical, actually.

Boil down Transformers, and you get "COOL ROBOTS THAT TURN INTO CARS!!!"

Robots and cars, things young boys usually like.

Now, this transformers movie is for an older audience. Older guys like real cars. It doesn't seem like a huge stretch for me to get the movie funded by car companies. Besides, who's going to go into a car dealership and say "Hey, I want Bumblebee. AFTER he turns into the new model!"

And even if all that I just said was stupid, drooling ignorance...that doesn't change the fact that your original point being that of something being a toy commercial, despite the original being even worse about it.

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