Naruto or Bleach, which resembles Dragon Ball more?

[Raki]

Well... all three have a tournament arc at one point (in fact I believe YuYuHakusho is actually ONLY based on tournaments, but it has been awhile). Early DB had lots of tournaments, later on the Cell Games; Naruto has the Chunin exam; and YYH has Genkai's training, the Dark Tournament, and from there on out I haven't seen it ^_^;

There is one major Tournament arc in YYH and 2 minor ones. But it isn't tournament based.

[B]

Most of YYH was one huge tournament, IIRC. Ginkai's shit, the Four Beasts, then the Dark Tournament which basically was too separate arcs because of the massive change in tone halfway through the tournament.

Of course, this is gonig off of memory. I haven't watch YYH since that "save Yusuke from that house and don't say the word hot, Kuwabara!" sub-arc first aired on Toonami years ago.

[Raki]

Most of YYH was one huge tournament, IIRC. Ginkai's shit, the Four Beasts, then the Dark Tournament which basically was too separate arcs because of the massive change in tone halfway through the tournament.

Of course, this is gonig off of memory. I haven't watch YYH since that "save Yusuke from that house and don't say the word hot, Kuwabara!" sub-arc first aired on Toonami years ago.

Then you had the Chapter Black and 3 Kings arcs.

[El Diabeetus]

Dragon Ball resembles Dragon Ball more.

Actually I would say Naruto, it obviously just blatantly took things right out of DB, but I don't really feel like giving an examples.

[Super Sonic]

The second half of the Three Kings arc has a tournament. Anime, you don't see everything including the ending.

[Adamant]

(I just finished the Don Creek/Krieg battle and I'm lovin' every second of this manga)

If you though the Krieg arc was awesome, you'll explode in your pants from the next arc. The stuff you've read so far is rather slow compared to what's coming.

[Sprite Satan]

Of course a lot of shonen manga will end up with similar trends, simply due to fan pressure (fans love tournaments, being one of the more obvious examples) and editorial influence (editors love pandering to fans because it's all about the sales). So it wouldn't be fair to say that the authors are shamelessly looting the Dragon Ball franchise for whatever tricks they can find.

[Shiyonasan]

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Bleach was originally denied by Shonen Jump, but due to an encouraging letter by Akira Toriyama written to Tite Kubo, the series was later accepted.

That's just a rumor that's been started on Wikipedia.

I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up.

Of course a lot of shonen manga will end up with similar trends, simply due to fan pressure (fans love tournaments, being one of the more obvious examples) and editorial influence (editors love pandering to fans because it's all about the sales). So it wouldn't be fair to say that the authors are shamelessly looting the Dragon Ball franchise for whatever tricks they can find.

True, but you can't deny the fact that the Dragon Ball franchise influenced the manga/anime industry. In a lot of manga/anime series, they make at least one reference to Dragon Ball, even if that series wasn't heavily influenced by Dragon Ball.


I never said which one I think is more similar, so:

I think Bleach is more similar. I've only seen 20 episodes of it, but a lot of things just scream, "Dragon Ball reference!". For one, there's the battles. I've only seen AMV's of the Ichigo vs. Grimmjow battle, but that battle resembles a Dragon Ball Z battle a lot.

Another thing is the humor. The series often switches a serious moment to a funny part. Apparently, Tite Kubo said the reason is because he often gets bored of drawing the manga, so he adds in a humorous moment. Sound familiar?

Also, I think that certain characters resemble Dragon Ball characters quite a bit. Orihime reminds me of a blend of the two sides of Chi-Chi, minus the anger bursts. Uryu reminds me of Vegeta, because, a least at the point I'm at in Bleach, Ichigo and him have a big rivalry. Plus, both Vegeta and Uryu tend to be jerks sometimes, but can be helpful when their needed. Kon is like Oolong. Do I need to explain this one?

Their is a plethora of other things I could mention, but these are a few similarities.

[B]

I don't know, Bleach's action differs in Dragon Ball in it's gore level and just overall style. In DB, there's lots of martial arts, while Bleach tends to focus on straightforward fighting, when the zanpakutou aren't involved.

Perverted characters are a common thing in anime, even outside of shonen. The fact that two shonen series use animals(and really, Kon's not an animal anyway) is coincidence.

And, sorry, I don't get where you're getting ANY vibe of Chi-Chi out of Orihime 0_o. I could see the Uryu/Vegeta comparison if you've only just started the series, but as time goes on, I'd say the characters quickly lose their similarties. Save for the "I MUST HONOR MY RACE" thing.

Really, Bleach is bit of uncoventinal shonen to me. It covers the same concepts and topics Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and many other shows of its genre, but it has a certain flare and style about it. It might be Kubo's writing style(characters first, story later) or that it just oozes cool. In that respect, it is a lot like Dragon Ball; the story builds itself up and rewards you with sick fights. In terms of popularity, I WISH Bleach would achieve Dragon Ball's level of fame one day.

[JAPPO]

Every anime I've seen seems to be a rip-off of Dragonball, which really turns me off from the anime genre.

If I had to choose Naruto rips off DBZ more than Bleach.

[ImmortalSandwich]

Eh Bleach is like DBZ with swords, Naruto is like DBZ with ninjutsu, Yu Yu Hakusho is like DBZ, but less emphasis on the spirit energy and more on the hand to hand fighting.

All of these mangas/animes resemble each other somewhat, but they're all unique enough and good enough in their own ways. I don't think any of them resembles DBZ too closely.

And I wouldn't say any of them "rip off" DBZ. Maybe they were influenced by DBZ (I seem to remember Naruto's author saying he was a fan of Toriyama's work, though I may be thinking of someone else), but that doesn't mean they're blatantly ripping off the series. And even so, the qualities that they are "ripping off" of DBZ are the ones I tend to enjoy more, so I don't really mind too much.

[Tsukento]

Kakarrot = Yusuke Urameshi

Piccolo Daimaô/Piccolo = Yoko Kurama/Kurama

I don't recall Goku and Piccolo being punk kids who ditch school and get into fights often, with Piccolo falling for "Vegeta's" "sister." Nor do I recall Goku having no respect for anyone.

[RoarkVegeta]

Bleach.

To quote TFS Nappa: “It‘s like us, with swords.”

[ImmortalSandwich]

Kakarrot = Yusuke Urameshi

Piccolo Daimaô/Piccolo = Yoko Kurama/Kurama

I don't recall Goku and Piccolo being punk kids who ditch school and get into fights often, with Piccolo falling for "Vegeta's" "sister." Nor do I recall Goku having no respect for anyone.

I've heard a lot of people make those kinds of comparisons, but those are usually the people who didn't watch much past the first arc of YYH.

Yusuke and Goku's personalities are almost polar opposites. The only similarity they have is that they love to fight and they overcome every obstacle put in front of them.

Also, you're confusing Kurama with Kuwabara. I really don't know what similarities Piccolo has with Kurama.. That comparison makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[B]

Bleach.

To quote TFS Nappa: “It‘s like us, with swords.”

Yeah, I wish Ichigo wasn't so much like Goku, and that they didn't live in a Chinese fanasy world, or that Karin and Yuzu didn't come from the afterlife to make Ichigo reap 100 souls.

Oh wait.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Kakarrot = Yusuke Urameshi

Piccolo Daimaô/Piccolo = Yoko Kurama/Kurama

I don't recall Goku and Piccolo being punk kids who ditch school and get into fights often, with Piccolo falling for "Vegeta's" "sister." Nor do I recall Goku having no respect for anyone.

You are looking at the wrong things. I posted some more in-depth comparisons and someone found the thread where I posted my original comaprisons and the link to it but apparently, you missed it.

Kakarrot = Yusuke Urameshi

Piccolo Daimaô/Piccolo = Yoko Kurama/Kurama

I don't recall Goku and Piccolo being punk kids who ditch school and get into fights often, with Piccolo falling for "Vegeta's" "sister." Nor do I recall Goku having no respect for anyone.

I've heard a lot of people make those kinds of comparisons, but those are usually the people who didn't watch much past the first arc of YYH.

Yusuke and Goku's personalities are almost polar opposites. The only similarity they have is that they love to fight and they overcome every obstacle put in front of them.

Also, you're confusing Kurama with Kuwabara. I really don't know what similarities Piccolo has with Kurama.. That comparison makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I have watched the entire anime and read the manga in addition I saw the extra footage of the second Makai Tournament. So I am very familiar with Yu Yu Hakusho.

[Super Sonic]

Bleach.

To quote TFS Nappa: “It‘s like us, with swords.”

That sounds similar to how some Inuyasha haters call it "Dragon Ball Z for girls".

[Shiyonasan]

I don't know, Bleach's action differs in Dragon Ball in it's gore level and just overall style. In DB, there's lots of martial arts, while Bleach tends to focus on straightforward fighting, when the zanpakutou aren't involved.

You have a point there. Bleach does have a lot of blood and gore compared to Dragon Ball. Although, Dragon Ball can get pretty bloody sometimes, but not too gory.

Perverted characters are a common thing in anime, even outside of shonen. The fact that two shonen series use animals(and really, Kon's not an animal anyway) is coincidence.

True. I guess the fact that they were both animal (or animal-like) characters that are perverted is what I got my similarity from.

And, sorry, I don't get where you're getting ANY vibe of Chi-Chi out of Orihime 0_o.

The look of her and the fact that Orihime has a secret crush (or so I think) on Ichigo is how I got that comparison. Like I said, I'm just starting the series, so I don't have a good grasp of just who exactly the characters are yet. Maybe I shouldn't have made that comparison.

Really, Bleach is bit of uncoventinal shonen to me. It covers the same concepts and topics Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and many other shows of its genre, but it has a certain flare and style about it. It might be Kubo's writing style(characters first, story later) or that it just oozes cool. In that respect, it is a lot like Dragon Ball; the story builds itself up and rewards you with sick fights. In terms of popularity, I WISH Bleach would achieve Dragon Ball's level of fame one day.

Each series has a certain flare and style to it. Dragon Ball is very unique in it's own right, and that's one big reason I like it. But also, you are right that a lot of shonen are alike. That's just the way the genre is.

In terms of popularity, I WISH Bleach would achieve Dragon Ball's level of fame one day.

Even non-manga/anime fans know about Dragon Ball Z. Bleach is on Adult Swim, so not as many people know about it. Just give it time, and maybe, it will be that popular.

[B]

Even non-manga/anime fans know about Dragon Ball Z. Bleach is on Adult Swim, so not as many people know about it. Just give it time, and maybe, it will be that popular.

That won't be happening with it being on at midnight during a filler arc. D:

[ImmortalSandwich]

I have watched the entire anime and read the manga in addition I saw the extra footage of the second Makai Tournament. So I am very familiar with Yu Yu Hakusho.

Well the comparisons you're making definitely make you sound like you know very little of the characters personalities.

Regardless, Goku, Naruto, Ichigo, and Yusuke all share common traits of shonen manga main characters. The supporting characters in each of the respective series also share certain traits which are common in shonen characters. Once we get past that, the characters individual personalities all differ drastically. You can't really compare the characters back and forth, because of how different they are.

Okay Hiei is proud of his race and is pretty standoffish and whatnot, but.. So what? That doesn't make him a similar character to Vegeta. It only means they share some common traits, but they're still drastically different.

Even non-manga/anime fans know about Dragon Ball Z. Bleach is on Adult Swim, so not as many people know about it. Just give it time, and maybe, it will be that popular.

That won't be happening with it being on at midnight during a filler arc. D:

LOL agreed.