Yeah, I'm sure he wouldn't either, which makes me want it more.ShinRogafuken wrote:For some reason, I don't think Akira Toriyama would want to do that XD.Krakabeast wrote:Toriyama commentary on every episode of each series! Translated of course.ShinRogafuken wrote: Thanks, any other features it should have?
Of all DB fans, Toriyama cares the least about the series.
interestingly, it seems that shares more colors with FUNi. Also, Kei, can you tell us whether or not the sky was green/blue during the Vegeta fight?kei17 wrote:My VHS (Original Airing on Fuji TV) and DBOXjjgp1112 wrote:Aren't the DBox colors already how it looked when it aired? Or am I missing something?
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It's a little bit off-topic but let me explain why the current DBOX's colours are not the same as the original airing's.
You know, the entire Dragon Ball series was recorded on films.
When a film ages, it loses its colours, especially yellow, and gets more reddish.
And generally they do not adjust the colours much when they just "digitally remaster"...
They adjust the colours to make them look like the original cels (not films) when they do "HD remastering".
That means, current DBOX's colours are "aged colours" of the master films.
Haven't you ever minded the green sky on Japanese Dragon Box?
Maybe you think that my VHS has deteriorated as well, but VHS tape does not lose its colours when it ages.
Since I was born during Saiyan Arc, I don't have the original airing source of that fight, but I found VHS taped off Fuji TV's re-airing around early 2000s. And, the sky is blue (a little bit green though) on that VHS. I will rip some scenes if you would like.bkev wrote:interestingly, it seems that shares more colors with FUNi. Also, Kei, can you tell us whether or not the sky was green/blue during the Vegeta fight?
Not quite. The DragonBoxes were made from the 'Generation Zero' prints, which had been put into cold storage shortly after being produced. This means that most if not all effects of aging would have been eliminated.kei17 wrote:That means, current DBOX's colours are "aged colours" of the master films.
VHS isn't a format known for its color fidelity, or image fidelity in general. Factor in that the quality would change based on what recording mode was used, as well as how many heads the VCR had. Plus, color (along with various other aspects of the image) most certainly does degrade over time on a VHS tape. That was actually one of the main selling points of the transition to DVD.Maybe you think that my VHS has deteriorated as well, but VHS tape does not lose its colours when it ages.
They have multiple prints? That's smart. I didn't realize that the Dragon Box DVDs were made from practically never before touched footage. That's really awesome.MajinVejitaXV wrote:Not quite. The DragonBoxes were made from the 'Generation Zero' prints, which had been put into cold storage shortly after being produced. This means that most if not all effects of aging would have been eliminated.kei17 wrote:That means, current DBOX's colours are "aged colours" of the master films.
Could you tell me a source of that?MajinVejitaXV wrote:Not quite. The DragonBoxes were made from the 'Generation Zero' prints, which had been put into cold storage shortly after being produced. This means that most if not all effects of aging would have been eliminated.
I see your point, but all DB being re-aired on Japanese TV (Animax, BS Fuji, Tokyo MX) have very similar colours to my VHS and none of them look like DBOXes because they use the tapes directly taken from early films that hadn't deteriorated yet.MajinVejitaXV wrote:VHS isn't a format known for its color fidelity, or image fidelity in general. Factor in that the quality would change based on what recording mode was used, as well as how many heads the VCR had. Plus, color (along with various other aspects of the image) most certainly does degrade over time on a VHS tape. That was actually one of the main selling points of the transition to DVD.
Umm, all of the used commercials and promos, a much more than 100 page guide-book and 5.1 audio on every piece of footage that it can be put on. That's all I can think of now.ShinRogafuken wrote:Thanks, any other features it should have?Krakabeast wrote:You got my vote.ShinRogafuken wrote:What about a super-grand huge series box set that's about $800 that contains every UNCUT episode of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball Kai, and all movies and specials...all in one set! Of course, there would be the original Japanese version with English subtitles, a new redub by FUNimation with more accurate dialogue translations, and a whole ton of extra features including "Behind the Scenes" guides, Interviews, Censorship of Early Releases, and a huge 100 guide book featuring story plots, episode summaries, character guides, attack guides, etc.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
Actually, I would be very interested in this. Please do!kei17 wrote:Since I was born during Saiyan Arc, I don't have the original airing source of that fight, but I found VHS taped off Fuji TV's re-airing around early 2000s. And, the sky is blue (a little bit green though) on that VHS. I will rip some scenes if you would like.bkev wrote:interestingly, it seems that shares more colors with FUNi. Also, Kei, can you tell us whether or not the sky was green/blue during the Vegeta fight?
I know Kanzentai lists it on the pages for each individual DragonBox, which is a pretty well-trusted source in the community. If I'm not mistaken, it was on the now defunct official website (www.dragonbox.tv) originally, but I believe it may be mentioned in the DragonBooks that came with the boxes as well. I'll check later on. If it is, I'll scan it.kei17 wrote:Could you tell me a source of that?
I just gave it a once over and didn't notice anything horribly off. Keep in mind the colors might be slightly different because of the overlays used to put the credits on each episode. I know that was the case if you look at the creditless "We Gotta Power" vs. the broadcast version.Some of them are in really strange colours (check the text-less opening of DB).
Did they use the generation zero prints on the original box? I admittedly know nothing about Hokuto No Ken (aside from the basic premise), so I wouldn't know what the production values were on the original set.In addition, they once released a box of Hokuto No Ken in 2003 and the footage of it was reddish and had less yellow like DBOX because of aging of the master films. It's officially mentioned on the website.
Same as above. I'm not sure what they did on the first release vs. this "HD Remastered" release.Then, they released HD-Remastered BOX of Hokuto No Ken last year and their catch-phrase of it was "the colours originally meant to be".
True, but while those tapes were taken directly from the early films before deterioration, wouldn't those tapes themselves have deteriorated over the past...err, 12-23 years?I see your point, but all DB being re-aired on Japanese TV (Animax, BS Fuji, Tokyo MX) have very similar colours to my VHS and none of them look like DBOXes because they use the tapes directly taken from early films that hadn't deteriorated yet.
Eh, it's relevant to the subject. You certainly bring an interesting point to the table that hasn't been brought up before. Still, I think we have compared the DragonBoxes to source materials (animation cels, for instance) and found they were accurate. I definitely didn't just blindly give Toei credit though, since I know they have a somewhat colored past in terms of keeping materials in good condition. Even the DragonBoxes aren't perfect (no GT credit scroll, a wraparound problem with an episode of DB, etc.).Sorry, it's been almost completely off-topic.
But I really hate the current DBOX's colours and don't want you people to believe that they are the best and original colours. Japanese products are not always best in all ways.
My brother should have recorded many episodes, but sadly only episode 106 still exists. It seems that my parents junked most of them. However, probably my cousin still has many episodes (DB and DBZ) on VHS.SSj_Rambo wrote:@ kei17: How many of the originally broadcasted episodes do you have recorded on VHS or any other format?
So I *wasn't* going nuts when I saw Animax recordings with higher quality sounds than my Dragon Box!kei17 wrote:GT was originally made in stereo sounds and it's still being aired in stereo on some channels like Animax, but current DBOX includes just mono track. I don't know why they did that, but I would put the stereo sounds if I were in charge.
GT kind of got stiffed in its DragonBox presentation all around. The remastering/restoring was kind of crappy, the sound was presented as mono and little things like the final credit scroll in Episode 64 were missing. It's still the best thing around, but it makes me wonder if all of this, combined with Toei/Pony Canyon being taken by surprise by the number of preorders (hence the delay in release), wasn't because they didn't expect it to be as much of a seller as the DB/Z DragonBoxes.Tsukento wrote:So I *wasn't* going nuts when I saw Animax recordings with higher quality sounds than my Dragon Box!kei17 wrote:GT was originally made in stereo sounds and it's still being aired in stereo on some channels like Animax, but current DBOX includes just mono track. I don't know why they did that, but I would put the stereo sounds if I were in charge.
I guess that the original-aired-GT was edited with video-editing program and the master films do not include stereo sounds and final credit scroll(it's in 29.97fps I think), and Toei does not have the right to use such "video-edited tapes" for their releases. Maybe they could make it better by re-adding the credit or something like that, but that's not because of Toei's omission.MajinVejitaXV wrote:GT kind of got stiffed in its DragonBox presentation all around. The remastering/restoring was kind of crappy, the sound was presented as mono and little things like the final credit scroll in Episode 64 were missing. It's still the best thing around, but it makes me wonder if all of this, combined with Toei/Pony Canyon being taken by surprise by the number of preorders (hence the delay in release), wasn't because they didn't expect it to be as much of a seller as the DB/Z DragonBoxes.
