Toriko Takes DBK's Slot On April 3 (Kai Ends with Cell)

[Kingdom Heartless]

So.... if DBZ Kai ends at episode 96....

Part 1: Episodes 1-13 (13 episodes)
Part 2: Episodes 14-26 (13 episodes)
Part 3: Episodes 27-39 (13 episodes)
Part 4: Episodes 40-52 (13 episodes)
Part 5: Episodes 53-65 (13 episodes)
Part 6: Episodes 66-78 (13 episodes)
Part 7: Episodes 79-91 (13 episodes)
Part 8: Episodes 92-98 (7 episodes)

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FUNimation could just make the last part a single disce release or make part 7 a 3-disc release. There are ways around it.

Yeah, I think the last two sets will just be 10 episodes each. Or the last three will be 11 episodes. I'd say one of those is the most likely.

[Rukura]

(to follow the latest trend of the thread) So...Kai's ending? That kinda sorta may or may not suck...

Still, why's everyone saying "FUNimation should co-fund the Buu arc's production" ? As far as i know, there are many other license holders of the franchise in other places. Wouldn't it be easier (on their wallets) for them to ALL jointly help with getting the Kai Buu arc out?

Personally, i don't care much for Kai. I share the opinion of the "You wanna remake it with no filler? Then actually remake it". Fullmetal Alchemist is a great example since they would've had an easier job of just picking it up where the plot left off.
With that said...i also share the opinion of "Toei got themselves into this, now they need to see it through to the end, damn it", and the reason i bring that up is that some countries are only now starting to get Kai and, as far as the forseeable future goes, they won't be able to see that release complete.
Wow, kinda felt like i was talking about FUNimation for a while there lol

Oh well...i just wanted more insert songs anyway

[Lance Freeman]

I'm in the "I don't think FUNimation should bail them out" camp. I mean, when MY favorite shows get canned, foreign investors don't come to help bail THEM out...

[penguintruth]

I don't want Funimation to co-produce because you can't trust Funimation not to mess with the material in some way, regardless of how they've changed. And I don't want rabid dubbies talking about how Funimation "saved" the show and how it's "just as much a Funimation show as it is a Toei show". No thanks.

[Rukura]

I'm in the "I don't think FUNimation should bail them out" camp. I mean, when MY favorite shows get canned, foreign investors don't come to help bail THEM out...

Perhaps i'm missing that other 20 year old classic anime that is having it's remake cancelled, but not helping out just to make them suffer over a bad decision doesn't seem like the way to go.

I'd like to understand where you're coming from with that, but if in the future Toei wanted to make a real Dragon Ball remake and need help with funding...wouldn't you be shooting yourself in the foot with that statement?

I don't want Funimation to co-produce because you can't trust Funimation not to mess with the material in some way, regardless of how they've changed. And I don't want rabid dubbies talking about how Funimation "saved" the show and how it's "just as much a Funimation show as it is a Toei show". No thanks.

But now all you have is this unfinished product... Every side loses. What incentive do they now have to actually make something new? (and isn't the original version of Z there, unchanged?)

[Mewzard]

I don't want Funimation to co-produce because you can't trust Funimation not to mess with the material in some way, regardless of how they've changed. And I don't want rabid dubbies talking about how Funimation "saved" the show and how it's "just as much a Funimation show as it is a Toei show". No thanks.

It's far better an option than leaving Kai at the side. Either let all the dubbers front the bill, or Funi. Either way, I refuse to accept Toei's lazy, cheap ass cop out they pull when they expect maximum profits for minimal effort.

Seriously, Kai can't have been anything less than profit. They put far less effort into Kai then they've done to any other show by mild clean up, which would offset slightly more expensive voice actors. And it was always pretty high in the rankings for ratings. Just because merchandising wasn't the best doesn't mean they wouldn't have made a profit. But, for Toei, if they don't make enough profit for warrant their lazy animation, lazy plot editing, or in this case, lazy clean up, they completely ignore it.

I can guarantee you Bones put more money into FMA: B than Toei did into Kai and that Kai still did better in both merchandising, ratings, and home release sales, yet Bones finished FMA: B quite excellently. It's just Toei being cheap.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

You're still assuming that DBKai was actually canceled, and not actually planned for 98 episodes. Aside from one vague quote that kei17 dug up, did any other source claim that DBKai would be covering the Boo arc? Remember, there was a rumor that the show would be about 100 episodes from the get-go. While a rumor is sometimes just a rumor, there are inside sources on the Internet (remember Wasted Wisher?), especially on 2ch.

[spikevegeta]

My guess on the Funimation releases from here would be that they'll just match Parts 6,7, and 8 to what the Japanese Blue Ray Boxes were/will be:

Part 1: 1-13 13 episodes
Part 2: 14-26 13 episodes
Part 3: 27-39 13 episodes
Part 4: 40-52 13 episodes
Part 5: 53-65 13 episodes
Part 6: 66-76 11 episodes
Part 7: 77-87 11 episodes
Part 8: 88-98 11 episodes

This would explain the sudden drop in price for the Kai Sets, since they knew the last sets were going to be less episodes, or at least part of the explanation.

[penguintruth]

I can guarantee you Bones put more money into FMA: B than Toei did into Kai and that Kai still did better in both merchandising, ratings, and home release sales, yet Bones finished FMA: B quite excellently. It's just Toei being cheap.

Bones doesn't work on a million different projects at once like Toei.

[Snail]

I'm going to assume that the outcome of Kai's run was premeditated.

[JulieYBM]

Well people, we know what we know, and what we know is that they said "We're going to do ninety-eight episodes."

They've now done ninety-eight episodes. That's the end of the story.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

I don't want Funimation to co-produce because you can't trust Funimation not to mess with the material in some way, regardless of how they've changed. And I don't want rabid dubbies talking about how Funimation "saved" the show and how it's "just as much a Funimation show as it is a Toei show". No thanks.

That seems a little extreme don't you think? Assuming that Toei didn't plan to end the series at the Cell saga like people have suggested, wouldn't it be better in the grand scheme of things to at least have someone aid in finishing the series? I mean, like it or not, Funimation is a big part of Dragonball these days if they could "save" Kai(again assuming it was canceled) why wouldn't you want to see it finished out or respect for the series? Are you really afraid of a bunch of people giving them too much praise; so what, just ignore those posts.

Honestly, Kai wasn't the greatest thing in the world but I would like to at least see it finished all the way through just out of respect of the series itself. I mean it's not like Funimation is going to regress back to the 90's and bring back "Mando Cool." I think Funimation has proven that, if this hypothetical situation were to arise, they could handle the product with the respect it deserves. Just my stance on it.

Also, why did my mouthful of boxers go unnoticed? I practically gagged while I struggled to get the sign into view.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

....Also, why did my mouthful of boxers go unnoticed? I practically gagged while I struggled to get the sign into view.

No, no. As the kid's today say: "I totally el-oh-el'd".

[fps_anth]

Ah, had a feeling this was going to turn out to be true.

On one hand, I'm happy because the Cell saga was always my ideal ending to Dragon Ball. Ending it there is perfect closure to the series.

On the other hand, I'm disappointed. I feel like the Buu saga (as crappy as it was overall) really suffered from horrible pacing, and it would have been really nice to watch that without filler. Maybe I'd appreciate it more. I enjoyed the manga version of it far more than the anime version.

So ultimately, I have mixed feelings. mehhhhhhh

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

....Also, why did my mouthful of boxers go unnoticed? I practically gagged while I struggled to get the sign into view.

No, no. As the kid's today say: "I totally el-oh-el'd".

Good I'm glad something nice came out of Kai's cancellation.

[Gozar]

I said it on Twitter and I'll say it again here...

KAI GOT CANCELED BECAUSE HIRONOBU KAGEYAMA DIDN'T SING DRAGON SOUL!!!

=P

But seriously, I think something good could come out of this. Kai got canned in Japan, Video Game sales are down, Kai's price is getting reduced state side, and the Dragon Boxes may not be selling that well here...

What does this all add up to? Perhaps Toei will finally realize that the DragonBall ship is sailing and REALLY try something new. Since GT's end in 1997 how many fresh things have the franchise REALLY gotten?

-The start of the new Video Game era in 2002 (Which has now become a repetivive bore for many people)
-The new Kanzenban ending in 2004
-Heya! Son Goku and His Friends Return in 2008

That's about it. The new Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans was just a new shiny remake of an already existing story. Kai is just a (less) shiny remake of the same story. As much as I love Kai and PtEtS, the fact is that they aren't exacly "fresh" or new.

The DragonBall franchise needs a real reboot. New stories. New Movies. The fandom went nuts when Ossu! came out 2 years ago. We need more stuff like that. A completely new storyline to jump in to. Set them in random timelines. Give some "What-If" movies just to spark some interest and conversation.

In other words, don't keep packaging the same stuff in a shinier box and act like it's something brand spanking new. Because the fact is, the common fan isn't me. The common fan isn't EX. The common fan isn't the bulk of this Forum. They won't go out and buy the singles, Season Sets, DBOX, Kai, and every Video Game under the sun year after year since the day the series debuted.

Bring us something new.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Gozar, the anime industry in general is doing poorly. It's not like people are just getting sick of Dragon Ball...

[Hellspawn28]

It sucks that Kai ended at the Cell arc since I was looking forward to see the Buu arc in Kai. I think newer fans will be confused if they found out there is more Dragon Ball after the Cell arc.

[Gozar]

Gozar, the anime industry in general is doing poorly. It's not like people are just getting sick of Dragon Ball...

But that's just it. If everything's going poorly, what is the common fan going to support? A new fresh series that's hot right now? Or a 27 year old franchise that keeps putting out essentially the same material?

Like I said, the common fan and viewer isn't us. It's (sadly) the random people on YouTube going "WTF!?! fr-ei-za s0unds like a fag. the old voice was so bad ass."

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Well, what I'm saying is sales are probably down because people have less disposable income these days. People aren't even spending as much on all of the new series out there. So I don't know if a new Dragon Ball series would solve the problem.