Unpopular DB opinions

[Nex Carnifex]

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional. I'm not saying Cell was way above Gohan but he was significantly stronger, if this was the case with equals the characters would not take such long beatings in battles before the other could just use an energy attack to kill them.

You know that Majin Vegeta knocked out SS2 Gokuu when his back was turned, and they were equals? Yeah. Same situation here, except that's actually more than just rendering half of his body non-functional. And, judging by their fight, I think you'd be foolish to argue that Vegeta was significantly stronger than Gokuu.

Gohan saw it coming he jumped in front to block it, he wasn't snuck-up on, he wasn't hit on the back of the head, his durability was simply no match for Cell's effortless attack.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional. I'm not saying Cell was way above Gohan but he was significantly stronger, if this was the case with equals the characters would not take such long beatings in battles before the other could just use an energy attack to kill them.

You know that Majin Vegeta knocked out SS2 Gokuu when his back was turned, and they were equals? Yeah. Same situation here, except that's actually more than just rendering half of his body non-functional. And, judging by their fight, I think you'd be foolish to argue that Vegeta was significantly stronger than Gokuu.

Gohan saw it coming he jumped in front to block it, he wasn't snuck-up on, he wasn't hit on the back of the head, his durability was simply no match for Cell's effortless attack.

You ignore the fact that Gohan's primary aim was to protect Vegeta, as well as the possibility that he may've misjudged the speed of Cell's blast. He even says that Cell had become stronger than he expected, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he was stronger than him. Just that he didn't think his blast could damage him that much.

I mean, do you see what he did? He literally dived on top of him, shielding the blast with his arm. How could he have "seen it coming" (by what I think is your definition) when he wasn't even looking at the damn guy and/or trying to defend against it?

Gohan, who had been flying Blooma, Yajirobe and baby Trunks back home or whatever, returns to the battlefield when he senses the loss of his friends' ki. This provokes him into becoming a Super Saiyan.

The whole scenario is suspect to me, but this portion in particular, why would this part happen when Bluma only showed up because she knew the Jinzoningen would be there?

Anyway, the Jinzoningen don't have ki and the gang wasn't warned about their appearance in this timeline, so they wouldn't have a reason to all show up as a group.

-Kuririn and Yamcha might go after watching TV. Kuririn might call Gohan, like with Mecha Freeza, but with out a ki to measure the threat....
-Chi Chi would probably forbid Gohan from going until the kid realized his friends were dying and he couldn't just sit around.
-Tenshinhan and Chaozu typically live in no-man's land. So no ki, no batsignal.
-Piccolo lives in the boonies. So without a ki signal, he probably wouldn't go unless Kami asked him to or his friends started getting hurt.
-Vegeta probably wouldn't go until Piccolo got himself injured at least, because he wouldn't think they are strong enough to waste his time on without a ki reading.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. See, this is what I mean when I said I hadn't thought it out entirely through, but I do think that it may've kind of been Toriyama's intention to show us how the Androids could've well killed the super-warriors if Kuririn hadn't chickened out. He knew what was going to happen: they'd all die, just like Trunks had predicted, and now Trunks was about to die himself.

But they could've all arrived in a group if they sensed a great disturbance in ki if the Androids started killing people who did have ki or just made enough large explosions (like when future Gohan rushed to where the Androids had been blowing up that city) to grab their attention. Then, once Gohan senses his friends' ki going down and/or flat-out disappearing, he'd fly away to him whether Chi-Chi liked it or not (or if she even knew).

You have a point about Vegeta, though. He doesn't care about Earthlings being killed, and might assume that it's just some criminals who he has nothing to do with nor has any authority to step in. Then again, the others could think the same (for the latter part, I mean). They're not superheroes. Whatever, it was just a theory.

[Bussani]

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional.

Piccolo Daimao's eye-beams and little rocks did as much damage to Goku's limbs as Cell's did to Gohan's arm, and Piccolo Junior's attack did way more damage to Goku than Cell's did to Gohan, practically rendering his entire body non-functional.

Gohan saw it coming he jumped in front to block it, he wasn't snuck-up on, he wasn't hit on the back of the head, his durability was simply no match for Cell's effortless attack.

I think boiling it down to "my durability vs. your power" is silly, to be honest. If two people of equal strength couldn't hurt each other, no fight would ever go anywhere. They can obviously avoid being hurt if they handle the attack correctly, but that wasn't the case here.

To avoid going in circles with this, tell us why Piccolo Daimao was able to put Goku's leg out of action with a "casual" ki beam if the two of them were roughly the same strength? It's not like Goku had his back turned.

[Nex Carnifex]

Cell's attack did more than just damage Gohan though, it just about rendered that half of his body non functional.

Piccolo Daimao's eye-beams and little rocks did as much damage to Goku's limbs as Cell's did to Gohan's arm, and Piccolo Junior's attack did way more damage to Goku than Cell's did to Gohan, practically rendering his entire body non-functional.

Gohan saw it coming he jumped in front to block it, he wasn't snuck-up on, he wasn't hit on the back of the head, his durability was simply no match for Cell's effortless attack.

I think boiling it down to "my durability vs. your power" is silly, to be honest. If two people of equal strength couldn't hurt each other, no fight would ever go anywhere. They can obviously avoid being hurt if they handle the attack correctly, but that wasn't the case here.

To avoid going in circles with this, tell us why Piccolo Daimao was able to put Goku's leg out of action with a "casual" ki beam if the two of them were roughly the same strength? It's not like Goku had his back turned.

There is a difference when a casual attack hurts an enemy and when one shuts down part of their body, Gohan saw the attack and took it head on yes but if he was naturally so much stronger than Cell than his feat directly after suggested he wouldn't have been this damaged. He saw the attack, he jumped in front of it, he took it and it did its damage. Goku could take his own energy attacks in the spaceship without such damage, he even slipped up once if I recall and found his body had the durability to take his own attacks without bracing. His attacks didn't shut his body down, he had enough durability to take the attacks. If a little finger beam from Cell does that much damage to Gohan's body, his ki shield up and everything, then we can conclude Cell's strength was naturally stronger than Gohan's. Here is the scan for reference: http://read.homeunix.com/onlinereading/ ... r=nas.html

Gohan see's it and reacts with a shield up, then comments on how Cell's power had gone up faster than he thought so clearly he didn't expect it to do such damage to him literally meaning Gohan is surprised Cell's casual strength did this much damage to him. If Cell can casual kill Gohan then why is it a stretch to say he is stronger at this point? And the reason Gohan won in the end was due to his usual tapping into unnatural Gohan reserves coupled with desperation. He had to overcome impossible odds that is a given, Cell was that impossible odd.

[Saiga]

Considering we have a thread dedicated to Gohan and Cell's strength comparison, why don't we take it there instead of flooding this thread with it? Surely it's better to revive a ~2 month old thread than to keep discussing it here?

[Nex Carnifex]

Considering we have a thread dedicated to Gohan and Cell's strength comparison, why don't we take it there instead of flooding this thread with it? Surely it's better to revive a ~2 month old thread than to keep discussing it here?

Sure revive it by replying to my post

[Saiga]

Considering we have a thread dedicated to Gohan and Cell's strength comparison, why don't we take it there instead of flooding this thread with it? Surely it's better to revive a ~2 month old thread than to keep discussing it here?

Sure revive it by replying to my post

No, I'm done talking to you about this.

[Nex Carnifex]

Considering we have a thread dedicated to Gohan and Cell's strength comparison, why don't we take it there instead of flooding this thread with it? Surely it's better to revive a ~2 month old thread than to keep discussing it here?

Sure revive it by replying to my post

No, I'm done talking to you about this.

mmk

[Bussani]

I posted in the other thread, in case you missed it.

[Gonstead]

I don't like Colleen Clinkenbeard as Goku.

The Blue Water dubs of GT and Dragon Ball sound like cheap fan dubs, similar to one you would hear on Youtube.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The general consensus here seems to be that Stephanie Nadolny was decent as kid Gokuu, while bad as kid Gohan.

I disagree. I think she was crap for both of them. Her Gokuu and Gohan sounded too raspy and her cries and laughs sounded very forced and strange.

A few more unpopular opinions
-I take the Bardock special as manga canon.
-I believe that Vegeta very well would've destroyed the Earth, had Gokuu not countered it with his Kamehameha, but what he meant wasn't that he'd literally make it explode, killing himself in the process. Freeza said the same thing himself when he planned to destroy the planet so SS Gokuu would die, but he held back to avoid getting caught in the explosion and only detonated its core. I think that Vegeta would've just wiped out all life on Earth, killing Gokuu in the process, and rendered the planet desolate.
-I believe that Cell would've destroyed the solar system with the Kamehameha that he'd fired at Gohan. Nothing contradicts it, and this is DB, which doesn't go by real-life science.

[Gonstead]

The general consensus here seems to be that Stephanie Nadolny was decent as kid Gokuu, while bad as kid Gohan.

I disagree. I think she was crap for both of them. Her Gokuu and Gohan sounded too raspy and her cries and laughs sounded very forced and strange.

And I disagree. I think she did well for Kid Goku. Plus, it was Gohan who sounded forced and raspy while it was her Goku which was much more smooth.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The general consensus here seems to be that Stephanie Nadolny was decent as kid Gokuu, while bad as kid Gohan.

I disagree. I think she was crap for both of them. Her Gokuu and Gohan sounded too raspy and her cries and laughs sounded very forced and strange.

And I disagree. I think she did well for Kid Goku. Plus, it was Gohan who sounded forced and raspy while it was her Goku which was much more smooth.

Actually, let me rephrase that. Yeah, her Gokuu was much smoother than her Gohan, but it still felt somewhat raspy and her cries and laughs did still feel forced.

I much prefer Clinkenbeard.

[Gonstead]

Funnily enough, I think I prefer her Saffron Henderson imitation voice when going back and listening to it for Gohan.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Funnily enough, I think I prefer her Saffron Henderson imitation voice when going back and listening to it for Gohan.

Saffron Henderson imitation?

[Gonstead]

Funnily enough, I think I prefer her Saffron Henderson imitation voice when going back and listening to it for Gohan.

Saffron Henderson imitation?

When she was trying to sound like the Ocean kid Gohan.

Saffron - Ocean
Stephanie - Funi

[Piccolo Daimao]

Funnily enough, I think I prefer her Saffron Henderson imitation voice when going back and listening to it for Gohan.

Saffron Henderson imitation?

When she was trying to sound like the Ocean kid Gohan.

Saffron - Ocean
Stephanie - Funi

Oh, I'm not sure if I've heard of that before. Either way, imitations aren't necessarily a good thing; it's better to make the character voice your own. Which is what Clinkenbeard did.

[Gonstead]

True, but if I did have to decide, I'd go for the imitation voice over the raspy.

And I'll admit, she did at least do decently in the Cell Games.

[Piccolo Daimao]

True, but if I did have to decide, I'd go for the imitation voice over the raspy.

And I'll admit, she did at least do decently in the Cell Games.

Agreed. She was about average in the Cell Games, but that didn't stop her from annoying me with that god-awful voice.

[Hades]

I personally think that Nadolny, had she returned for Kai, would have improved even more, like most of the cast did (there was a huge leap between the apocalyptic season 3 and the "meh" Buu Saga, and from that to the brilliant Kai).