Why is Toei reanimating Sailor Moon but not DBZ?

[Kid Buu]

Damnit, and here I thought the number 498. That way you can add the two TV Specials and get exactly 500.

[Valerius Dover]

Damnit, and here I thought the number 498. That way you can add the two TV Specials and get exactly 500.

Well, there are three TV Specials. The one in GT counts, too.

[Kid Buu]

You just gave to keep ruining this for me, don't you?

But in all seriousness, I like the GT TV Special a lot. Only time we get Furuya in GT, too.

[Cold Skin]

The weird thing is that the "demo" episodes that aired online are quite easy to find online, but the much more impressive Blu-ray versions are impossible to see.
You'd think people would be more interested in sharing/obtaining the final refined versions rather than the half-assed online version.
I guess it's because the fact that the unfinished episodes were available online to begin with make it seem more okay to spread online rather than ripping Blu-rays.
I'll just leave it at the initial unfinished airing, then.

Anyway, I'd be curious to see pictures of every single shot that's been corrected and why. Not just a couple of examples like you see here and there online, but really every single corrected shot being compared to the original failed shot.
Just like with Dragon Ball Kai's original run, every single shot edited should be shown alongside the original to see what changed, why, giving us insight as to how Toei chooses and corrects shots.

But Sailor Moon seems to be far less popular than Dragon Ball worldwide (whereas in France Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon were the big legendary duo at the time, constantly put together), that may explain why extensive stuff to compare is hard to find.

[Mosaic]

But Sailor Moon seems to be far less popular than Dragon Ball worldwide (whereas in France Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon were the big legendary duo at the time, constantly put together), that may explain why extensive stuff to compare is hard to find.

That's how it was in the US. Back in the olden days of Toonami, DBZ and Sailor Moon were the power duo. Sailor Moon's popularity died out pretty quickly after S came out, mostly due to poor planning by Cartoon Network. Nowadays, Sailor Moon has become more of a niche and nostalgic thing. Dragon Ball Kai did a pretty good job of capturing a new generation, but I don't think Crystal will do that.

[Kid Buu]

I think S is where the series started to go downhill for me. Never understood the insane level of praise for Ikuhara's vision of the story, IMO Sato's was much better.

[Theophrastus]

But Sailor Moon seems to be far less popular than Dragon Ball worldwide (whereas in France Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon were the big legendary duo at the time, constantly put together), that may explain why extensive stuff to compare is hard to find.

That's how it was in the US. Back in the olden days of Toonami, DBZ and Sailor Moon were the power duo. Sailor Moon's popularity died out pretty quickly after S came out, mostly due to poor planning by Cartoon Network. Nowadays, Sailor Moon has become more of a niche and nostalgic thing. Dragon Ball Kai did a pretty good job of capturing a new generation, but I don't think Crystal will do that.

If we're talking about America here, yeah, Crystal probably won't be nearly as successful with engaging a new audience just by virtue of it being much more overtly shoujo. I mean, young girls will probably like it, but the original anime adaptation appealed to both girls and boys due to the combination of the romance stuff and basically being an animated version of Power Rangers/Super Sentai with the monster-of-the-week format.

[Mosaic]

I think S is where the series started to go downhill for me. Never understood the insane level of praise for Ikuhara's vision of the story, IMO Sato's was much better.

Really? S is my favorite, and is typically the fan favorite. I think the problem with Ikuhara is that he had these outlandish, surreal ideas that Toei wouldn't let him properly execute. I think that's why SuperS was such a letdown. You can tell Ikuhara had this great idea for it, but it fell flat on its face. I think he redeemed himself with the season finale. But I will agree with you, I think Sato was better suited for Sailor Moon. The person who directed Stars (the name escapes me right now) was pretty bad. He was great with episode directing, and he did a good job with Cutey Honey Flash, but Stars was a mess.

[Kid Buu]

My ranking goes in order, with S1 at top and S5 at bottom. I like S, but it is when they started to introduce tropes that bugged me, and it got more noticeable with every season after that:

1.) Shafting the Inners in favor of Outers/Pegasus/Starlights.
2.) Not letting Usagi kill any baddies anymore, like she did in Classic and R.
3.) Plot became paper thin and the pacing starts to drag, I think it was S when the manga caught up to the anime.

Although maybe I'm being too hard on Ikuhara, since his original work (the R film) was pretty good, but he really played up his fetishism up to degree and it got kind of embarrassing to watch at times. I still think Sato's vision (Classic + Tree) was best, with the Stars guy (Takuya Igarashi) being the weakest. I found out recently Igarashi was the guy responsible for the weird Minako backstory in S1 too, that explains everything.

[Mosaic]

My ranking goes in order, with S1 at top and S5 at bottom. I like S, but it is when they started to introduce tropes that bugged me, and it got more noticeable with every season after that:

1.) Shafting the Inners in favor of Outers/Pegasus/Starlights.
2.) Not letting Usagi kill any baddies anymore, like she did in Classic and R.
3.) Plot became paper thin and the pacing starts to drag, I think it was S when the manga caught up to the anime.

See, I will disagree with the first point when it comes to S. I think that season did a really great job of balancing out all the characters. There were great episodes that focused on each individual girl, more so than any other season. For once, there was focus on Makoto that didn't revolve around her being boy crazy or having her lumped together with Minako. They also managed to flesh out Chibiusa and her new friend Hotaru. I think they only characters that got shafted in S (other than of course minor characters, who were phased out by R) were Mamoru and Setsuna. Even then, Mamoru is basically just "the boyfriend", and Setsuna is made to be a super mysterious character. However, SS and beyond, the majority of the Sailor Soldiers became minor characters. The Starlights got wayyyyyyyyyy too much focus, and certainly a lot more than the Outers. They were also super unlikable.

You hit the mark on the second two though. I think having Nehelenia coming back and being redeemed was one of the dumbest changes in Stars.

Although maybe I'm being too hard on Ikuhara, since his original work (the R film) was pretty good, but he really played up his fetishism up to degree and it got kind of embarrassing to watch at times. I still think Sato's vision (Classic + Tree) was best, with the Stars guy (Takuya Igarashi) being the weakest. I found out recently Igarashi was the guy responsible for the weird Minako backstory in S1 too, that explains everything.

The Tree of Darkness story arc doesn't get the love it deserves. The girls got super cool unique attacks they NEVER use again, Mamoru and Usagi actually form a bond rather than submitting to destiny, and the Aliens were great characters. The only thing that sucked was the Moonlight Knight plot device.

[Kid Buu]

I remember a few episodes in the Hotaru arc where the Inners didn't appear at all, but I do think the Inners got a better role in S than in SuperS and especially Stars.

Although my ranking goes in order, I like every season except Stars. It really irked me how we had all these episodes of them fighting Nehelenia and Galaxia and then it was like "naaaaaaaaah no real fight, we'll go for redemption story instead" route.

So we are not getting completely off-topic. One thing I do like is how the films focused on other characters while still letting Usagi save the day. I wish the DB/Z films did that more. There was the Chaozu film, which I really liked, and wish we got more of.

[Chuquita]

Re: Moonlight Knight

The words used in Japanese were such a mouthful for Usagi (or anyone) to say too. "Tsukikage no naito-sama!" (9 syllables) does not roll off the tongue well at all compared to "Tuxedo Kamen" (5 syllables).

[Kid Buu]

Sorry, but I'm not really sure what you are trying to say Chuquita.

[Chuquita]

Sorry, but I'm not really sure what you are trying to say Chuquita.

That a name with fewer syllables is easier to say/sounds less wordy than one with more. It takes almost twice as long for a character to say "tsukikage no naito-sama" than it does "tuxedo kamen" and as a result the former feels too wordy to me.

But on the other hand the fact that it is longer makes it stand out and possibly easier to remember?

[Kid Buu]

I think Mosaic was just trying to say the subplot of Moonlight Knight was dumb, nothing to do with the pronunciation or anything.

[Mosaic]

I remember a few episodes in the Hotaru arc where the Inners didn't appear at all, but I do think the Inners got a better role in S than in SuperS and especially Stars.

There was only one episode in that arc where the Inners didn't appear. It was episode 116.

Although my ranking goes in order, I like every season except Stars. It really irked me how we had all these episodes of them fighting Nehelenia and Galaxia and then it was like "naaaaaaaaah no real fight, we'll go for redemption story instead" route.

Stars was such a hot mess. There were a few good things, but overall it was an absolute mess. You also gotta love how many super obvious plotholes it had.

Hey, there's this little girl that looks and acts just like you Usagi. Woah, Usagi, she's totally like you! She has the same energy and aura as you! Hey, this little girl that looks and acts just like you gave you a power up. WOW THIS LITTLE GIRL MUST HAVE A CONNECTION TO YOU. Oh actually, the little girl is the star seed of your final enemy. Okay.

It was obvious they were trying to follow the manga when it came to Chibi Chibi, and then decided "oh wait, nevermind". They did something similar in S, but it wasn't as painfully obvious or sloppy.

[Kid Buu]

Hmm, looking it up, it looks like you are right. It did feel like they were getting less screentime though, like in 117.

Another thing is they only really properly used the first two Witches. One of the cool things the anime has over the manga is that the slower paced allowed the henchmen to develop personalities, but we didn't really get that for the majority of the Witches. That said, Professor Tomoe in Anime S is hilarious. I love all the Big Bads.

Anime Stars tried way too hard to be S over again, I always compare it to GT since it feels like a retread for the most part.

[Cold Skin]

I know how it felt when I was a kid and Sailor Moon aired alongside Dragon Ball: the series was fine to follow and increasingly interesting until Sailor Saturn's climactic legendary appearance and rebirth.

Then, it went to focusing on the Chibiusa-Sailor Moon duet ALL THE TIME (their transformations even happening on a same shared sequence because it ALWAYS had to the two of them, and quickly, dragging the little girl who thinks she's a warrior along starts to get more annoying than cute) and Chibiusa's romance with a unicorn... She's a little girl, don't focus on a little girl's first childish love story.

Then, the series completely goes too far (had already stopped watching by then) with the Sailors Starlights (no charisma at all, distasteful look...), Amazone Sailors (same) and Chibichibi, a two years-old being an other Sailor warrior, ridiculous. Leave the baby as a baby, don't put her in a warrior costume with her own weapon. There's a point where what is meant to be "super-cute" becomes just plain ridiculous.
Chibiusa was already on the edge, but it could have been forgiven to have her train young as a warrior if she wasn't CONSTANTLY tagged along with her mother to the point of transforming together (when the priorities should be her regular Sailor guardians, and THEN her daughter as a bonus who tags sometimes as a training).

So yeah, for this remake, I expect it will follow the same path, with the good arcs - increasing in quality and darkness - being:
- Queen Metalia (discovery of the whole mythology and past lives).
- Black Moon (gloomy doomed future and Chibiusa giving in to darkness and becoming the adult Black Lady)
- Mistress 9 and Pharaoh 90 (ends with the tragic-fated and apocalyptic yet poetic Sailor Saturn, who does very different things in the anime and manga but stays true to that description in both media in equally epic scenes).

Then, I don't know if I'll keep watching since it will likely start drowning into "overly cute" / "overly romantic" / "uninteresting new characters" / "oh, come on, are you serious?" territory, it becomes a big mess of ideas that go exactly in the wrong direction.
Luckily, Dragon Ball never went too far and kept it high level from the beginning to the end (of the manga story).

[Puto]

For the record, Chibiusa is actually 900 years old. Her aging was halted by the Silver Crystal by accident.

[Cold Skin]

^ Yeah, I was just remembering that as I edited Black Lady into my post.
It's the same problem than GT Goku: mental age seems to fit the "locked" age rather than the actual number of years they lived.
In that respect, she is much more impressive and how she should be when we first saw her in the last episode to date: that intimidating, serious look in her eyes pointing a gun at Usagi, which makes you go "wow, that girl!! She's as intimidating as a grown up, who is she?! She's like an adult, you don't want to mess with her!"

You'd think she would have already been trained to fight in 900 years, especially when the future is doomed, but that can be forgiven.
Not the cutesy mother-daughter tag-along-forever stuff, though, nor the "first love with a unicorn is now the story's main priority" stuff. In my own opinion, that is.