Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Anime Kitten wrote:
But they're not. Well, not Chikai anyway. I'm listening to the same song as everyone else, and I'm pretty sure it leans towards being dark. Far, far from generic.
Well, it all comes down to opinion. But, I'd have to agree with Cipher, it has more to do with the fact that a lot of people feel like both songs sound pretty horrible.
In my opinion, introducing idol pop to Dragon Ball was a horrible decision. And I think it has nothing at all to do with gender.
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Cipher wrote:It's probably because they're generic, upbeat idol pop, rather than the gender of their singers, if that's what you're suggesting?
But they're not. Well, not Chikai anyway. I'm listening to the same song as everyone else, and I'm pretty sure it leans towards being dark. Far, far from generic.
Oh, right. I'd honestly forgotten what that was. I had to look it up.
It still has very dancey parts and the really pitched up "cute" group vocals. I personally don't hate it, but it's in that genre of idol pop I don't find a lot of interest in. It all feels very mass-produced and calculated, which is probably another thing fans take issue with.
I did just rediscover the music video for that, which is literally wall-to-wall Dragon Ball homages, so that's fun.
Cipher wrote:It still has very dancey parts and the really pitched up "cute" group vocals. I personally don't hate it, but it's in that genre of idol pop I don't find a lot of interest in. It all feels very mass-produced and calculated, which is probably another thing fans take issue with.
I did just rediscover the music video for that, which is literally wall-to-wall Dragon Ball homages, so that's fun.
It pretty much sounds like it stays consistently dark-ish to me. Guess it's just how I hear it.
I never watched the video because I think it would mess up the song for me for a while. Maybe that's why people think it's too upbeat.
Cipher wrote:
It still has very dancey parts and the really pitched up "cute" group vocals. I personally don't hate it, but it's in that genre of idol pop I don't find a lot of interest in. It all feels very mass-produced and calculated, which is probably another thing fans take issue with.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. For me, the best description of it is "plastic".
Pledge of "Z" has a dreadful opening, but I think it slowly becomes respectable the longer it plays. I can resonate with what others are saying. It doesn't feel like it's natural until the artist plays into her strengths (The music video picking up might help its case, too). Easygoing Dance was tuned for my ears the moment I heard it. It's fun, catchy, and has great visuals. I had low expectations before I experienced it in execution. If one felt manufactured, I'd place that accusation on the former song. The latter has genuine energy. I'll give both credit for relating to the series with their lyrics. If this helps my stance a bit, I make no effort to listen to Asian pop tracks. I like them enough without being familiar with what one considers the standard "gem" in the genre. It passes the casual listening test, even if I wouldn't give Pledge of "Z" more time of day than I need to.
Nejishiki wrote:Pledge of "Z" has a dreadful opening, but I think it slowly becomes respectable the longer it plays.
I agree, the song is kinda annoying to hear first, but you get used to it, its way better than Yoka Yoka IMO and had a nice video clip.
Lord Beerus wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
nickzambuto wrote:
- Broly
Anything involving SSJ3 Goku, Gohan, Pure, and Super Buu.
Also the Goku/Superman debate.
Nice, so updating:
The most controversial topics to discuss in DB fanbase in general:
- Broly
- Canon
- GT
- Goku vs. Superman
- Plot holes
- Power levels
- The strongest Majin Boo
- The strongest earthling
- The strongest in Boo Arc
- Was Gohan OOC in the Cell Games?
- Was Gohan a SSJ2 against Dabura?
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
I only like the chorus in pledge of z.
Yoka yoka dance is crap, but so far the only ending songs from Super I like are the one that got parodied with Black and Zamasu and the "wooh, wooh, wooh, woh" song.
I don't care if it is a girls group or a boyband, as long as it has a good melody and good singing.
I've been thinking about the resemblance between Goku & Turles recently and how it was stated that low-level Saiyan's tend to resemble one another coupled with information about how they have little concept of family units. The logical answer to me is incest.
Sounds extreme for Dragon Ball but hear me out. The Saiyan's are hardly a species that values things like traditional values since they're a-okay with little kids being sent into space to commit babies first genocide. With such a mentality, coupled with a lack of traditional or human family values and a temperament that probably ensures they frequently fight with one another and/or die in many of Freeza's missions, it's not hard to see them inbreeding with one another, shrinking the species overall gene pool.
It's for this reason that it's not even too far fetched to assume that Turles may very well be a relative of Bardock or Goku even if the Japanese version doesn't explicitly say so.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Gohan is the only person alive who witnessed Goku's transformation into a Super Saiyan first-hand. By contrast, practically the entire cast witnessed Gohan's transformation into a Super Saiyan 2.
It's interesting to think who witnesses these things. These fights where the hero suddenly gets serious and insanely more powerful than before and it's actually almost frightening to watch. Tenshinhan was the only one who saw Goku against Piccolo Daimao (and maybe Yajirobe, depending on when he arrived). It's why when Krillin realises Goku's actually angry against Nappa, it's such a shock to him. He never saw him act like that before first-hand.
Those moments are honestly so powerful to watch even as the audience. Imagine what it would feel like in-universe for the characters.
I could have gotten into anything...and yet I chose the story aimed at young Japanese boys about martial arts, and later about super-powerful aliens punching each other really hard.
TheBlackPaladin wrote:I sometimes wonder what happened to the Freeza Empire once Freeza and his family were killed. Sounds like it would be massive political disarray.
Kuriza's probably running things now that even Sorbet's dead.
Let's hope he's a benevolent ruler compared to his predecessors.
"That's right, everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla!" - Tullece (AB Groupe dub)
TheBlackPaladin wrote:I sometimes wonder what happened to the Freeza Empire once Freeza and his family were killed. Sounds like it would be massive political disarray.
It would make for a fun Dragon Ball game side-story. I'm not sure how well a story divorced from Goku would sell, but I would enjoy the criminal vs criminal drama. They have the customization part down with all of the different species recruited by Freeza and Cold. Perhaps, to tie into Resurrection F, you can choose to take the role of one of the rival planet traders and contribute to Sorbet's forces weakening. One of the other options could revolve around rising through the ranks to be the top mercenary for Sorbet. In any case, I think the aftermath of Freeza and Cold dying would be done justice that way.
ekrolo2 wrote:I've been thinking about the resemblance between Goku & Turles recently and how it was stated that low-level Saiyan's tend to resemble one another coupled with information about how they have little concept of family units. The logical answer to me is incest.
Sounds extreme for Dragon Ball but hear me out. The Saiyan's are hardly a species that values things like traditional values since they're a-okay with little kids being sent into space to commit babies first genocide. With such a mentality, coupled with a lack of traditional or human family values and a temperament that probably ensures they frequently fight with one another and/or die in many of Freeza's missions, it's not hard to see them inbreeding with one another, shrinking the species overall gene pool.
It's for this reason that it's not even too far fetched to assume that Turles may very well be a relative of Bardock or Goku even if the Japanese version doesn't explicitly say so.
Why is universe 7 the only one with kaioshin for each quadrant. It has a North, South, East, West, and Grand Supreme Kai.
Universe 6 and 10 only have one Kaioshin. Why?
Do you think they forgot the concept of a Daikaioshin?
Also, what in heavens name is the universe 10 god of destruction up to? If you tell me he's dead cause Gowasu was killed, this will be a major plot hole.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Why is universe 7 the only one with kaioshin for each quadrant. It has a North, South, East, West, and Grand Supreme Kai.
Universe 6 and 10 only have one Kaioshin. Why?
Toriyama forgot, as he often does. There is no good answer, and it's clear from recent interactions that every universe is meant to have one Kaioshin and one apprentice.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Also, what in heavens name is the universe 10 god of destruction up to? If you tell me he's dead cause Gowasu was killed, this will be a major plot hole.
He's probably destroying things or laying about in the present. It's of no relevance to the story, and there's no way he could be dead after Whis' time reversal.
Sailor Haumea wrote:Jinzoningen MULE, please go back to your old avatar.
I've never kept one for more than a week. Do you mean the last Videl? I still like that one, but it bores me right now. This is just a substitute until I find another one with adequate levels of pink.
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Maybe that's why people think it's too upbeat.
