Unpopular DB opinions

[TheMikado]

Super feels less canon that GT.
Actually leaning towards not personally considering Super canon at all so that I enjoy it more.

[Soppa Saia People]

I feel the Budokai Tenkaichi games are extremely overrated.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Super feels less canon that GT.
Actually leaning towards not personally considering Super canon at all so that I enjoy it more.

I don´t understand how something being "canon" or not makes it more/less enjoyable.

[TheMikado]

Super feels less canon that GT.
Actually leaning towards not personally considering Super canon at all so that I enjoy it more.

I don´t understand how something being "canon" or not makes it more/less enjoyable.

In the context of whether it fits in the established plot that we have known of for the past 20 years from EOZ. Right now we keep asking ourselves will this work with what we know in EOZ or will it won't. Thinking of it as just a "fun side story" or what if or seperate timeline or multiverse makes you wonder a lot less about those things and accept it for what it is without worrying about continualty

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Honestly at this point if you enjoy any Dragon Ball, it's best to just enjoy it and not worry about how it fits the established timeline because everything has plot holes, even the manga.

The original 42 volumes of manga are the original canon, Super and GT are separate extensions of that, they aren't compatible with one another per se but I'm happy to enjoy both of them for what they are provided they are treated as interesting what if stories.

[Gaffer Tape]

Super feels less canon that GT.
Actually leaning towards not personally considering Super canon at all so that I enjoy it more.

I don´t understand how something being "canon" or not makes it more/less enjoyable.

It makes sense to me. It's kinda how I feel about the DBZ movies. I mean, for the most part, they're stupid, pointless, formulaic, and predictable. If they were "stories" in the manga, were intended to be part of the larger Dragon Ball mythos, they would piss me off. But since they're meant to be meaningless little bits of fluffy action totally separate from anything else, their purposelessness and inconsistencies and the like don't bother me in the least. Another reason why I find Resurrection 'F' so loathsome...

[rereboy]

Super feels less canon that GT.
Actually leaning towards not personally considering Super canon at all so that I enjoy it more.

I don´t understand how something being "canon" or not makes it more/less enjoyable.

It makes it easier to not care about inconsistencies and plotholes.

[TheMikado]

^ Exactly. If you have been following the series since Dragonball then you will developed an interest in their personal development. There have been tons of WTF moments, but finding out Goku was an Alien from another planet with a brother was one of the most intriguing, Weird, and utterly unexpected experience you could have. However, they were luckily able to have it make sense and create great new experiences and worlds based on this sudden history which didn't affect the original dragonball series at all. Literally the ONLY thing that DBZ is provide an origin for Goku and literal left everything that happened during the Dragonball Age alone.

For comparison the effect Beerus in Super is having on DBZ would be like Frieza or the Saiyans somehow being involved in the fire on Ox King's mountain in Dragonball. Totally unnecessary and completely on a microscopic scale compared to the scale you would expect Frieza to work with and that goes Triple for Beerus.

[Gorou]

Other Toei's films never bothered me; he had no claim to engage the manga, or the history.
Also, they was very well designed and animated.

I found BoG very nice, but RoF was disastrous.

[apex_pretador]

Well I still believe the controversial power chain for movie 5.

SSJ Goku [movie 5] >> Final Form Coola >>> Kaioken x 20 Goku >>> base Goku [movie 5] ~ SSJ Goku [Namek] > 100% true form Freeza = true form Coola.

A lot of people believed this 5 years ago or so, but it's died down. It's just a silly movie but I felt that was implied by the dialogue.

when?

[Hyena_Yamcha]

- i like yamcha
- i like humans more than the saiyans
- i dont like vegeta
- Dragon ball GT has better animation than DBZ
- Dragonball is much better than most of dragonballz
- i like bruce faulconer music even thougg i didnt grew up with it
- Legacy of Goku 2 is my favourite dbz game ever
- I think the super saiyan transformation is stupid
- i think dragon ball gt is a good series overall
- i hate broly

[pacz360]

Like broly he's not great but was entertaining find the hate boner for the guy tedious. Gt had more effort put into it than super.

[Doctor.]

Besides Evolution, F was the worst Dragon Ball film.

[Gaffer Tape]

I'll do you one better: I found Evolution to be more enjoyable than F.

[dbzfan7]

I'll do you one better: I found Evolution to be more enjoyable than F.

Oooooooo I wanna hear that stated on a Dragon Ball Dissected. Let all hell break loose .

[Kunzait_83]

I'll do you one better: I found Evolution to be more enjoyable than F.

I'm not at all a fan of a lot of things Nu Dragon Ball-related myself (F included), but even for me this is a bridge way, way, WAY too damn far into the realm of lunacy.

Evolution isn't just merely a bad Dragon Ball adaptation: its flat out unwatchable just as a movie unto itself. Its not even all that particularly worthwhile as a "so bad its good, MST3K/Rifftrax fodder" kind of movie (barring RIDICULOUS amounts of narcotics). Its just physically painful to sit through. Its the 2000s equivalent to something like the 90s Double Dragon movie.

Resurrection of F, for all its myriad of flaws, has FAAAAAR more going for it in comparison. There's like... actual standout moments (if only extremely fleeting moments) of legit coolness amidst all the untold mountains of stupid: which isn't much at all in itself, but its still infinitely more than Evolution can boast to have.

F is merely a very bad Dragon Ball movie. Evolution is in an altogether different class of dogshit all its own, the kind of brain-rotting garbage I'm sure they'll end up eventually using as a tool for euthanasia.

[Gaffer Tape]

Hyperbolic reaction, much? First off, I never said Evolution was any good, or even better than F. I said I enjoyed it more than F. To be honest, I've only seen either film once, and both within close proximity to each other. And when my roommate at the time and I finished watching Evolution, he turned to me and asked which I thought was better. He hadn't seen F. And I just remember struggling to come up with an answer, which was really all the answer he needed. And at this point, there is actually little of that movie I remember, which probably says a lot. But I do remember not having the same ever-present feeling of boredom and annoyance I had while watching F. Obviously my expectations were lower going in. And F had the burden of continuing a franchise while Evolution could pass or fail all on its own with no consequence. But, geez, stupid and nonsensical as it might have been, at least Evolution HAD a story. I can't say as much for F. And I do feel at this point at least, if I was forced to watch either of them again, it would be a hard choice, but I'd probably go with Evolution.

[Zephyr]

at least Evolution HAD a story. I can't say as much for F.

I'm not sure I understand how F didn't have a story.

[Esfír Dedragón]

I do not like DBZ: Abridged at all. However, I do admit that there are a few gems that made me laugh. I view it with the same disdain as some purists here view Faulconer's soundtrack.

I actually liked Mark Menza's DBGT American Soundtrack. I appreciate coycoy88 ripping the audio of the last episode of GT and hearing the fan-titled, "Remembering Past Events" song

I believe that the Dragon Ball franchise can be successfully made into a series of live-action films.

I actually liked the Majin Buu saga.

I'm okay with Masako Nozawa voicing Goku as a kid, but I do not like hearing it from him being grown-up. I can tolerate it, though. Relating to that, Bardock, Adult Gohan, and Adult Goten should not have been voiced by the same voice actress.

I like dubs. More specifically, I like hearing how characters are voiced in different countries. Some are great, others are just hilarious! (Try listening to the Portuguese dub from Portugal!

Shipping is something that I like in art... as long as it's "canonical". Ex.: Vegebul, Gochi, Godel, Krill18, etc.

I think that there are some Fan-Fic that are well-written that it's unfortunate that they are not ideas from Toriyama.

I. HATE. MYSTIC. GOHAN! What a waste and a cheap tactic! Darn it, Toriyama!

Battle of Gods, Resurrection F', and Super are not as great as I would like them to be. But they're still watchable.

Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan are "anathema" to me.

I have days where I value "fanon" explanations of the franchise far more than the Daizenshuu.

[Gaffer Tape]

at least Evolution HAD a story. I can't say as much for F.

I'm not sure I understand how F didn't have a story.

Well, I guess we're in similar boats then because I don't understand how F could be considered to have a story.

I guess I should preface to say that, colloquially at least, I consider plot and story to be somewhat different things. A plot is simply a sequence of events: character A meets character B, character C fights evil, character D dies. But a story is what it's really ABOUT, what goals characters are trying to achieve, and how those events shape them. For example, the original Freeza arc is about heroes who have to choose between saving their own skins or getting involved in a conflict they can't win. It's about Vegeta rising up against his master and going through an evolution starting with his increasing arrogance of his new power leading him to believe he's a legendary Super Saiyan and ending with his tearful realization that he's not as good as he thinks, and that he'll have to turn to a person he hates to carry on his mission.

Even in terms of basic plot, F is pretty thin: Freeza comes back to life. They fight for 45 minutes. Then I get to leave the theatre. But in terms of story, the only thing F is ABOUT is the powers that be wanting an excuse for Goku and Freeza to fight each other again so merchandise can be sold by all. There is absolutely no substance to it. I mean, sure, it tries to have some kind of a message about Goku's and Vegeta's character flaws, but it's just so inconsequential and so ridiculously out of character it falls completely flat. I mean, good grief. The only thing learned is "fight better." And Vegeta's "flaw" could literally have been better suited for just about any other character. He's the poster child for anger-fueled, impulsive decision-making, so his flaw is that he overthinks things?! Okay, okay, phew, I'm getting off-topic here.