"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[omaro34]

I don't think I'll be reading this anymore, I'd rather be surprised in the weeks to come. Being that the newest episode adapted practically the whole chapter...6? I don't know how the manga is going to stay in front of the anime for long if it's only 1 chapter a month.

One must be very disciplined to avoid this discussion forum when a manga chapter leaks out....

[Basaku]

Makes me wonder if Kibito Kai defusion will be just mentioned to have happened "along with gathering Namekian DBs to wish Piccolo back to live". Champa's already building the area next episode, kinda less and less time to make their little subplot. The whole thing with old Kaioshin and Kibito Kai spying on Champa and Champa/Vados noticing it and going to them can't really happen anymore, at least not in the similar context. Champa's not sneeking around anymore looking for DBs. Wasted oppurtunity IMO, they should've added this little subplot to F arc

[FortuneSSJ]

I don't think I'll be reading this anymore, I'd rather be surprised in the weeks to come. Being that the newest episode adapted practically the whole chapter...6? I don't know how the manga is going to stay in front of the anime for long if it's only 1 chapter a month.

The manga will just skip ahread. While the anime will flesh out everything better.
Toei will probably do something with the 5 days gap before the tournament, like they did will the Cell games.

Episode 30 its already confirmed, that will focus in Beerus/Whis search for Monaka it seems.

[Bullza]

Oh have they confirmed the upcoming episode titles? I was thinking yesterday that I hadn't seen that for a while. I'll take a look.

[sailorspazz]

I don't think I'll be reading this anymore, I'd rather be surprised in the weeks to come. Being that the newest episode adapted practically the whole chapter...6? I don't know how the manga is going to stay in front of the anime for long if it's only 1 chapter a month.

I kinda feel the same way in that I'd rather not have promotional material spoiling all of the major plot points. On the other hand, when it comes to new Dragon Ball I have no willpower to avoid spoilers, so I'll likely still end up reading each new chapter. I'm honestly kind of hoping the manga either branches off and does its own thing so it's not telling us everything that'll happen, or that it'll end fairly soon, since after some amount of time it could be viewed as having "done its job" to the point where it's no longer necessary.

[Draconic]

I'm in the same camp of thinking not to read the manga anymore. The fights already started in that and soon enough it will go on to spoil important stuff. It was cool when we didn't know all the characters and that kind of stuff, but I kinda want to be surprised when time comes. I mean, I just got trough two arcs where I knew beat by beat what was going to happen. Don't really wanna go trough that again.

But... I am not strong willed so I might not resist spoiling myself when the new chapter comes out. Good thing that's a month ahead

[Khin]

I think I recall Whis leaving Goku and Vegeta to spar with each other after the Resurrection of F arc before they entered the ROSAT. He likely spent his time doing whatever it is he does in his spare time. Buu was also selected to join the team, but I doubt he committed himself to anything besides eating and sleeping. Just because someone is picked for the tournament doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be training prior to the tournament's beginning. Piccolo was expressly singled out by Gohan this last episode. What's more -- Piccolo has never sought anyone for tutelage besides King Kai and that was when he was traveling together with the human fighters. Why would he choose to do so when the only incentive now is to help Gohan get back into fighting shape? I assume he would be spending as much of his time as possible trying to help out his close friend instead of going out of his way looking for personal instruction with Whis

Are you saying that Whis will just sat there doing nothing in 5 days ? Do you really think he will just let his beloved food of earth to be owned by Champa and Vados ? Nope i don't think so.

[Chuquita]

Re: Spoilers

I'm the type that wants to know spoilers as soon as they appear; there's no way I would want to block out that kind of information. ^^;
I'll continue reading the manga no matter how far ahead it is. As a bonus it makes for great theorizing material (and I'm enjoying Toyotarou's art).

[mecha3000]

I'm in the same camp of thinking not to read the manga anymore. The fights already started in that and soon enough it will go on to spoil important stuff. It was cool when we didn't know all the characters and that kind of stuff, but I kinda want to be surprised when time comes. I mean, I just got trough two arcs where I knew beat by beat what was going to happen. Don't really wanna go trough that again.

But... I am not strong willed so I might not resist spoiling myself when the new chapter comes out. Good thing that's a month ahead

Yeah, now is the time for the DB Super anime to shine (I hope) and for the manga to kind of become a thing of the past. Soon, the anime will surpass the manga and it will be like watching GT because no one will be able to tell what's going to happen. However, there's still going to be people who read the DB Super for speculation purposes and I don't blame them because I'm one of those people too.

[Neon Z]

Just as Beerus allowed Goku and Vegeta to decide who they should bring along as teammates, he may very well have consented to letting them decide the order in which they fight.

That's true, it's all still speculation at this point, especially considering how the manga has to skip events, leading to some elements being overlooked, which, is, after all, the only hope of Piccolo actually being a relevant fighter here too.

I simply don't believe Piccolo could have gotten up to the same level as Goku and Vegeta, given what we know of his training consisting of trying to help Gohan become a competent fighter again (competent by arbitrary standards which may not entail being equal to the two Saiyan gods but just enough to protect against threats like Freeza in his suppressed state).

Using the same point mentioned above though, we know absolutely nothing about his training going by the manga, you could even say that he has done no training at all. The training with Gohan is just an indication of what should be obvious - the manga isn't covering everything.

I think you need to add way too many assumptions to make things fit around your idea though (that Piccolo is still irrelevantly weak). Piccolo having powered up basically makes all the other extra explanations you've mentioned completely unnecessary in comparison.

Piccolo actually has a consistent record of always coming up short in attaining power equal to that of the main adversary. During the Freeza arc he needed to fuse with Nail -- a chance occurrence that was separate from the training he just received -- to become credible enough to fight Freeza, and that was still just a suppressed form which both Goku and Vegeta quickly surpassed along with Piccolo's newly attained fused power. He kept to this inferiority going into the cyborg arc in spite of having worked personally with a Super Saiyan to increase his strength. Again, it took what Krillin described as being his personal trump card to briefly surpass the Saiyans and become strong enough to match the current threat. He never regained his footing as a comparable fighter to Goku and Vegeta again, unless you count him doing only somewhat worse than Vegeta and Trunks against the Cell Jrs during the Cell Games.

That part isn't really true though. Piccolo's growth in power is compared to Vegeta becoming a SSJ by Tenshinhan, and there's also how he beat Gero fairly easily, when Vegeta had to bluff to make him escape, due to having wasted some power against #19. So, it seems like somehow Piccolo wasn't far from the SSJs at that point (at least above a tired SSJ Vegeta), in spite of no transformation or fusion.

[SansrivaaL]

Despite the anime catching up I'm still gonna read the manga, I prefer the manga over the anime.
Toei's not doing a good job with the animation department so yeah manga all the way.

[Lionel]

I think I recall Whis leaving Goku and Vegeta to spar with each other after the Resurrection of F arc before they entered the ROSAT. He likely spent his time doing whatever it is he does in his spare time. Buu was also selected to join the team, but I doubt he committed himself to anything besides eating and sleeping. Just because someone is picked for the tournament doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to be training prior to the tournament's beginning. Piccolo was expressly singled out by Gohan this last episode. What's more -- Piccolo has never sought anyone for tutelage besides King Kai and that was when he was traveling together with the human fighters. Why would he choose to do so when the only incentive now is to help Gohan get back into fighting shape? I assume he would be spending as much of his time as possible trying to help out his close friend instead of going out of his way looking for personal instruction with Whis

Are you saying that Whis will just sat there doing nothing in 5 days ? Do you really think he will just let his beloved food of earth to be owned by Champa and Vados ? Nope i don't think so.

Whis doesn't appear to be the type of person who actively pursues students on his own initiative. This tournament is primarily Champa and Beerus's doing. If Whis is distressed over the prospect of his beloved food resource being taken away then he isn't showing much visible concern over it like Beerus. Again, I refer to Buu's probable lack of training. We saw in the 25th Budokai arc how Mr Satan prefers to revel in his luxuries rather than train; that doesn't foster a culture of workmanship. Buu happens to live with him and needs to eat on a very frequent basis.

Just as Beerus allowed Goku and Vegeta to decide who they should bring along as teammates, he may very well have consented to letting them decide the order in which they fight.

That's true, it's all still speculation at this point, especially considering how the manga has to skip events, leading to some elements being overlooked, which, is, after all, the only hope of Piccolo actually being a relevant fighter here too.

I simply don't believe Piccolo could have gotten up to the same level as Goku and Vegeta, given what we know of his training consisting of trying to help Gohan become a competent fighter again (competent by arbitrary standards which may not entail being equal to the two Saiyan gods but just enough to protect against threats like Freeza in his suppressed state).

Using the same point mentioned above though, we know absolutely nothing about his training going by the manga, you could even say that he has done no training at all. The training with Gohan is just an indication of what should be obvious - the manga isn't covering everything.

I think you need to add way too many assumptions to make things fit around your idea though (that Piccolo is still irrelevantly weak). Piccolo having powered up basically makes all the other extra explanations you've mentioned completely unnecessary in comparison.

Piccolo actually has a consistent record of always coming up short in attaining power equal to that of the main adversary. During the Freeza arc he needed to fuse with Nail -- a chance occurrence that was separate from the training he just received -- to become credible enough to fight Freeza, and that was still just a suppressed form which both Goku and Vegeta quickly surpassed along with Piccolo's newly attained fused power. He kept to this inferiority going into the cyborg arc in spite of having worked personally with a Super Saiyan to increase his strength. Again, it took what Krillin described as being his personal trump card to briefly surpass the Saiyans and become strong enough to match the current threat. He never regained his footing as a comparable fighter to Goku and Vegeta again, unless you count him doing only somewhat worse than Vegeta and Trunks against the Cell Jrs during the Cell Games.

That part isn't really true though. Piccolo's growth in power is compared to Vegeta becoming a SSJ by Tenshinhan, and there's also how he beat Gero fairly easily, when Vegeta had to bluff to make him escape, due to having wasted some power against #19. So, it seems like somehow Piccolo wasn't far from the SSJs at that point, in spite of no transformation or fusion.

But isn't it equally presumptuous to assume that Piccolo's power somehow miraculously skyrocketed just by training with Gohan when he for all intents and purposes had resigned himself to being the lesser of the Saiyans by entrusting the Earth's future to Goten and Trunks instead of training himself during the Buu arc? If Goku and Vegeta were capable of reaching the same level as Beerus simply by training through conventional measures then they wouldn't have needed to request special training from Whis himself.

Piccolo doesn't need to equal Goku and Vegeta for him to participate in this tournament. If he's capable of taking down or weakening at least one of the U6 contestants then his place in the tournament will have meant something. Vegeta was consistently weaker than Goku throughout the Namek arc, but would you say his presence had no effect? Piccolo may have attained a ranking of power that's in the same general league as the Super Saiyans during the early cyborg arc, but he was still their inferior, by and large. Disposing of lesser threats in an arc is an accomplishment which many of the characters can lay claim to -- Yajirobe defeated Cymbal in the Piccolo Daimao arc, Krillin with the Saibamen in the Saiyan arc, Vegeta against virtually every henchmen of Freeza's besides Ginyu and even Gohan as he was out of shape during the Babidi arc was fighting on par with Dabura, the strongest henchman.

[apex_pretador]

So Piccolo is capable of matching the unfathomable realms of power that Goku and Vegeta have attained after a few days of training with Gohan? I hope not. This series has been lambasted enough for its horrid inconsistencies. Having someone other than Goku or Vegeta receive meaningful screen time is one thing that most fans can agree upon, but I don't want it to come at the expense of damaging DBZ's credibility even further.

Not justifying anything, but ,

- The same guy becmoes like 100x stronger in android training, without zenkai hax, transformation or fusion

- The same guy who was fodder to nappa , & was barely reaching 3k , trains 6 days & is called "astonishing power" by nail, who was like 42k.

- The same guy goes from getting one-shot material for imperfect cell , to not get stomped by cell jrs (stronger than initial PC) in 1 day without training partners.

[Lionel]

So Piccolo is capable of matching the unfathomable realms of power that Goku and Vegeta have attained after a few days of training with Gohan? I hope not. This series has been lambasted enough for its horrid inconsistencies. Having someone other than Goku or Vegeta receive meaningful screen time is one thing that most fans can agree upon, but I don't want it to come at the expense of damaging DBZ's credibility even further.

Not justifying anything, but ,

- The same guy becmoes like 100x stronger in android training, without zenkai hax, transformation or fusion

- The same guy who was fodder to nappa , & was barely reaching 3k , trains 6 days & is called "astonishing power" by nail, who was like 42k.

- The same guy goes from getting one-shot material for imperfect cell , to not get stomped by cell jrs (stronger than initial PC) in 1 day without training partners.

I will concede that King Kai increasing Piccolo's power so much in such a short time frame is very illogical, but the others saw him just earning the benefits of the methods and people available to him. He was working with Super Saiyan Goku in preparation for the cyborgs and using the same room that allowed the Saiyans to increase so much in power had him reach a level that was still inferior to them in spite of having a headstart with his Kami fusion. The one truth which all of these scenarios have in common is Piccolo's inferiority to the Saiyans, even if he did manage to close the distance between them to a degree.

[SaiyaSith]

Crazy Prediction: Kabe will go SSJB and give us more info on the transformation.

[emperior]

Not so crazy prediction. It's more probable that Cabba is a Super Saiyan God, although I'm hoping he has a completely new form.

[SaiyaSith]

Not so crazy prediction. It's more probable that Cabba is a Super Saiyan God, although I'm hoping he has a completely new form.

Could be. I got the idea from the blue hair in that sketch. I'm excited for the tournament.

[Basaku]

Crazy Prediction: Kabe will go SSJB and give us more info on the transformation.

Accurate Prediction: Kabe may indeed go SSJB but we ain't getting any well thought-out explanation for the transformation.

[sintzu]

Crazy Prediction: Kabe will go SSJB and give us more info on the transformation.

This is an official picture ? if it is, where did it come from ? the new 30th anniversary book ?

[dbgtFO]

Crazy Prediction: Kabe will go SSJB and give us more info on the transformation.

Spoiler:

This is an official picture ? if it is, where did it come from ? the new 30th anniversary book ?

Yes, but don't take the blue hair to mean anything just yet. Just like SS3 Goku had green hair in that oft cited sketch from the One Piece cross-over, this is just a shading guide for the animators.
We've discussed this a lot in one of the other threads(probably the main thread).