"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Benedetto12]

Wouldn´t Nº16, Bardock, Pikkon or Tapion (I suppose he is canon, he gave his sword to Trunks in the future) be better choices story wise? I love Freeza but he is perhaps the most hated character by the Z-Fighters

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Wouldn´t Nº16, Bardock, Pikkon or Tapion (I suppose he is canon, he gave his sword to Trunks in the future) be better choices story wise? I love Freeza but he is perhaps the most hated character by the Z-Fighters

No he didn't, he gave it to present Trunks. M13 doesn't work with Future Trunks timeline at all.

[Kishido]

Why not make Broly canon and bring him in.

Money everywhere for TOEI

[EXBadguy]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty cuz Toriyama's somewhat behind this too, but I tell ya, if Toei was the one who made this idea 100%, 95% of the community here would be ready to fly to Japan, light their pitchforks, and fight the company.

[Kanassa]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty .

What thread have you been reading?

[pacz360]

Isn't something important happening tomorrow on goku day? Someone pls answers my question.

can someone answer my question?

[EXBadguy]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty .

What thread have you been reading?

Nah, think about it. You have many folks who are okay with the concept and will defend it, not just here, but in other forums too. If this happened 1-2 decades ago when GT was around, MOST PEOPLE HERE would throw a fit. You would mostly see negative comments 98% of the time.

[pacz360]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty .

What thread have you been reading?

Nah, think about it. You have many folks who are okay with the concept and will defend it, not just here, but in other forums too. If this happened 1-2 decades ago when GT was around, MOST PEOPLE HERE would throw a fit.

Double standards are beautiful aren't they.

[Nero<>Akira]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

[HybridSaiyan]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

Bringing Frieza back doesn't bother me that much, but in this manner it does. It disgusts me that Goku would rely on Frieza for help.

[pacz360]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

People should be happy that a guy like buu get screwed over once again despite being hyped as hell for a guy who's already been milked to death with a movie and a retelling for more pointless drama.

[Kanassa]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty .

What thread have you been reading?

Nah, think about it. You have many folks who are okay with the concept and will defend it, not just here, but in other forums too.

I'm not seeing that much defence in comparison to those acting like it's the end of the world

[Neon Z]

You have access to Toriyama's scriptment? Do you have any clues that it was a planned act?

The anime follows the author's guidelines. Zamasu, Black, Black's arc, are all Toriyama's creations, and the conception of these vague script and treatment elements, along with some of the character-desing artistic sketches of some new characters, preceded by far the writing of singol episodes. Toriyama's change of course simply preceded the writing of recent episodes, nothing more.

Buu always received the least amount of marketing of the new team, like how the opening only included him in group shots with all characters, never by himself or with someone else. That was pretty odd for someone that got an early match, a new form and supposedly would fight again. As things stand, unlike in the U6 tournament, he did have a role in this arc. It was just minor, just like his promotion suggested.

This prove nothing.
There was not the slightest assumption that Frieza would return, not even one. No clue, no valid reason.

For a while now Dragonball Heroes had an upcoming arc announced where the party goes to hell to recruit someone for the Universe Survival tournament. And it was explicitly said to be a tv tie-in arc.

[Roronoa-pt]

I don't care about Buu that much altough his fight against Basil was pretty good. Let's see how they handle his hibernation, I'm not saying much more at this time. I do see however much potential how Freeza will interact with the rest of the team and if he'll try to screw them over or not.

[MrBlackFox]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

Bringing Frieza back doesn't bother me that much, but in this manner it does. It disgusts me that Goku would rely on Frieza for help.

Why? There are several action movies who did this many times and it works great, the movie hero going In a jail to force an inmate particularly good in something to help for some mission, with the promise to ease his time there
I'm happy and very curious about Frieza, but I still thing there are several better options to choose for a character return

Cell, make Bardak or Broly canon and bring them, Pikkon, Raditz, and more

[kizuki]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

Bringing Frieza back doesn't bother me that much, but in this manner it does. It disgusts me that Goku would rely on Frieza for help.

Eh. It doesn't bother me at all, or really surprises me.

Goku is Goku, and we're seeing that sort of "I'm not so much of a hero I'm doing this because it's fun" attitude come out of him with this whole tournament. Doing something like asking Freeza to be on his team doesn't surprise me.

Through it all, I don't think Goku even HATES Freeza, despite having to kill him because he blew up Earth,

I fully expect him to not give a crap at all and straight up act like his ridiculously evil self isn't even a factor, so long as he has 10 strong teammates.

[omaro34]

Damn. I'm late to the party.

Buu falling asleep again is pure bullshit. 3 times now, it's irritating and redundant. I personally think they had Buu fight in the Zen Exhibition Match because they were planning on shoving him aside later on. But Buu falling asleep is a dumb excuse, they could have thought of something else.

And to be honest, I'm looking forward to how the others on the U7 team will react to Freeza, especially Vegeta and Krillin. Goku must be really stupid bringing Freeza on board. Sure Beerus might have him on a tight leash, but Freeza hates Goku to the core. He is incredibly untrustworthy and will likely backstab them as the tournament goes on. Tensions will be high.

Another interesting note is that Toppo and the pride troopers already view U7 as the villain. Hence when they see Freeza they will view U7 on a more negative light, pushing that narrative in Toppo's mind that Goku is a bad guy.

In my opinion, we have seen enough of Freeza, and I feel for the fans of Buu. Freeza has overstayed his welcome and the writers don't seem to think so. We will see how it turns out.

Only the internet fans are sick of Freeza. The general fandom adores him. Why do you think he's the #1 villain in the franchise and his movie made million of dollars.

There's no doubt Freeza is the most iconic villain in the series, no question about that. Just a disappointment that Buu won't be participating.

Maybe with Freeza returning they may re-visit that plotline where Beerus had something to do with the destruction of planet Vegeta, creating some more animosity between U7 characters and Beerus, because clearly Beerus views Goku as careless, carefree & dangerous.

[Totamo]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

Bringing Frieza back doesn't bother me that much, but in this manner it does. It disgusts me that Goku would rely on Frieza for help.

Why? Piccolo nearly killed him and he relied on him to fight raditz.

Vegeta was indirectly responsible for many deaths including his friends and he wanted to work with him to fight Ginyu and Jeice.


Goku working with villains is nothing new.

[MrBlackFox]

People suggesting non canon movie characters to take Freeza's place? This is sad. And not because of the decision which was most likely already done a long time ago. Like seriously, does bringing Freeza back really destroy this otherwise awesome arc? No, it doesn't. It sucks that Boo fell asleep again. i think it's a bad gag now. you don't repeat the same gags twice let alone 3 times unless its done a little differently. In this case, it's not. Boo fell asleep before the tournament starts again. shame.
People need to also quit acting like they want yamcha in. The idea to bring Freeza back may seem repetitive of course, but it creates connective tissue with the narrative and on plot points that occurred before that were deemed wasted to many in the F movie/arc. The only thing i didn't like in F is just how freeza didn't go out in a fiery "glory" or something worthy of his status as the most vile (besides Boo) villain in the series (that and Vegeta not getting the kill). this decision will rectify that in a very ironic way though as well as what i mentioned previously about showing F wasn't a waste. People should be happy about this honestly. People are throwing this whole fan service thing around too much also. More good will come from this than bad considering the arc has been nothing short of greatness.

Bringing Frieza back doesn't bother me that much, but in this manner it does. It disgusts me that Goku would rely on Frieza for help.

Eh. It doesn't bother me at all, or really surprises me.

Goku is Goku, and we're seeing that sort of "I'm not so much of a hero I'm doing this because it's fun" attitude come out of him with this whole tournament. Doing something like asking Freeza to be on his team doesn't surprise me.

Through it all, I don't think Goku even HATES Freeza, despite having to kill him because he blew up Earth,

I fully expect him to not give a crap at all and straight up act like his ridiculously evil self isn't even a factor, so long as he has 10 strong teammates.

Goku appreciates Frieza in ROF, at the point he said to be sad about Frieza being evil, cause he'd like to have him as a sparring partner

And we can't say who suggests to ask Frieza to participate, until we'll see the episode
As much as we know now, this idea could come by Beerus or even Piccolo

[SansrivaaL]

I swear to God Goku wouldnt have killed Frieza and would just force him to retreat if he didnt try pulling a stunt such as destroying the earth that left him with no choice, he knows and has said that Frieza could have been a great rival, that its such a waste he's evil, Goku's as forgiving as any shonen main character is, and Frieza in his eyes is exactly like how Vegeta was, he also said the same things about Vegeta, he doesnt believe Vegeta will change, but its such a waste to kill him off, Goku is a warrior before anything else.