"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MrBlackFox]

I swear to God Goku wouldnt have killed Frieza and would just force him to retreat if he didnt try pulling a stunt such as destroying the earth that left him with no choice, he knows and has said that Frieza could have been a great rival, that its such a waste he's evil, Goku's as forgiving as any shonen main character is, and Frieza in his eyes is exactly like how Vegeta was, he also said the same things about Vegeta, he doesnt believe Vegeta will change, but its such a waste to kill him off, Goku is a warrior before anything else.

This, I totally agree
Frieza is definitely a force to reckon at any time, it could be a precious help

[Lapislettuce]

Lol yes you can considering Buu was one of the few who got the least promoted along side Piccolo and Tien and maybe Roshi but Tien and Roshi both have great shots in the opening Piccolo doesn't.

Piccolo has been getting promoted though.

Why? Piccolo and Vegeta have got stronger and Frieza would not be as strong as he has done nothing since his died again. That also means Frieza's Golden form will still be useless after a little while since he could not have improved it.

Piccolo has been getting promotion though. Fighting in episode 88 and 90 while getting stronger and creating combo moves with Gohan. Piccolo was also with Gohan in the opening. I still predict a tag team between Gohan and Piccolo to win it

Because unlike last time, Frieza wont be dicking around since he knows he has stamina issues. Piccolo's still below the likes of Ultimate Gohan, Vegeta on the other hand we will see but I'm clinging more to Golden Freeza. Goku's only stronger than him because of SSJBKK anyways.

I predict a Gohan and Piccolo tag team as well but them winning it? far, at best I see Goku,Vegeta and Freeza as the last 3 guys.

He will still have stamina issues as he has been doing nothing while in hell. Frieza can only be worse than last time. Gohan apparently matches Goku so that woupd makhim stronger than Frieza and you see Piccolo has got much stronger and obviously you have Piccolo's straetgy on top.

First everyone said Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 then back to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan now its Goku, Vegeta and Frieza? Everyone needs to stop being being influenced by 1 episode or 1 piece of promotional material as all everyone keeps doing is changing their minds every few days.

Piccolo really didn't get promotion AT ALL except the recent teaser even 18 has been teased along side 17 in the jump magazine,if Piccolo was going to do anything special they would have put him next to Gohan when Gohan was teased on his own in another issue of jump magazine,and the last 3 standing will obviously be either Goku,Vegeta and Gohan (predictible but can totally see it) or Goku,Vegeta and 17,17 has his own freaking trailer and has been hyped for months now he's obviously going to make it in top 4 it's just playing between him and Gohan.

[Benedetto12]

Power scaling wise, for what we have seen it would be something like this, I think

Freezer (Stamina issues, by far the strongest one, but can´t keep fighting for long in his golden form)
Goku / Vegeta (With Kaio Ken he is stronger than Vegeta, without it Vegeta is stronger)
Gohan (Regained the Ultimate form, which made him the strongest character in DBZ, in 91 preview it says that he managed to fight Goku evenly)
17 (Became ridicouly strong during this time, Dende says that he is a force to be reckoned, and they should be thankful he is not a enemy)
Piccolo (Also grew stronger, he may not be strong as the top 4, but he is the smartest character in the team)
18 (Was always a strong one, she didn´t train a lot like 17, but she is still very strong, could teamwork well with 17 and Krillin)
Tien (He never stopped training, and was capable of standing against Semi perfect Cell and reflect some of Buutenks attacks, also can use the Neo Tri Beam)
Roshi (Goku said that he trained in secret and was really strong, to his surprise)
Krillin (He is still the weakest in my eyes, but will be really helpful to the team, because of his techniques and smartness)

[Low Tone G]

Why not make Broly canon and bring him in.

Money everywhere for TOEI

Maybe they WILL make him canon regardless in the case when Goku will mention his name after witnessing Kale to transform.

[CarL_J]

Well, this was unexpected. I like Freeza coming back actually, but Boo staying on the sidelines again is just lame IMO.

Really looking forward to seeing the team interact with Freeza though. It's gonna be golden. Literally. Can't wait.

[perucho1990]

Why not make Broly canon and bring him in.

Money everywhere for TOEI

Maybe they WILL make him canon regardless in the case when Goku will mention his name after witnessing Kale to transform.

Nah, Goku seeing Kale transform would probably remind him of Trunks unlocking SSJ Ikari, we would get a least an explanation in how Ikari works.

As for Buu goes, I've always being indifferent toward him, so I dont mind if he gets trolled, I still have that feeling Yamcha might make it to the ToP, how convenient that we didnt get to see the spoilers of the episode after the one where Goku recruits Freeza.

[pacz360]

Power scaling wise, for what we have seen it would be something like this, I think

Freezer (Stamina issues, by far the strongest one, but can´t keep fighting for long in his golden form)
Goku / Vegeta (With Kaio Ken he is stronger than Vegeta, without it Vegeta is stronger)
Gohan (Regained the Ultimate form, which made him the strongest character in DBZ, in 91 preview it says that he managed to fight Goku evenly)
17 (Became ridicouly strong during this time, Dende says that he is a force to be reckoned, and they should be thankful he is not a enemy)
Piccolo (Also grew stronger, he may not be strong as the top 4, but he is the smartest character in the team)
18 (Was always a strong one, she didn´t train a lot like 17, but she is still very strong, could teamwork well with 17 and Krillin)
Tien (He never stopped training, and was capable of standing against Semi perfect Cell and reflect some of Buutenks attacks, also can use the Neo Tri Beam)
Roshi (Goku said that he trained in secret and was really strong, to his surprise)
Krillin (He is still the weakest in my eyes, but will be really helpful to the team, because of his techniques and smartness)

hell no freeza is not the strongest one both goku and vegeta are far stronger than they were in rof both would stomp him in ssjb Stamina issues or not.

[dbs fanboy]

I'm really late, but i just wanted to say that i'm very dissapointed with this. It's just that i'm tired of this character, he should stay dead. If super manages to pull a Black Goku again by making the execution interesting, then it might make this arc great; if they fucked it up, it would low it's value to me.

I also don't like how Buu is being out of the game (again).

[Super_Divine_Genki]

This thread really exploded from 24 hours ago

Eh...

My very first post on these forums about a month ago was a semi-lengthy ramble about how with this Tournament happening that it would've presented an awesome way to bring Perfect Cell back into the picture, as I feel that he's suited very well for tournament-restricted combat.

This now confirms at least 3 things to me:

Out of Universe: Toriyama/TOEI wrote themselves into a corner with Cell. His more detailed design is clearly keeping him away from them even considering a return, and if they've thought it over -- Cell is potentially just way too OP. Cell is simply not allowed to exist in a Dragon Ball series in a serious way anymore.

The popularity thing bothers me. Freeza is undisputedly the series' iconic villain here, and that's all fine. He's had way more exposure than Cell in every way, which heavily weighs in Freeza's favor. Meanwhile, Cell has always gotten almost zero promotion in comparison -- so fan popularity influencing the writing tosses him out for consideration as well. The playing field is far from level.

The writers are really mixed on how Freeza should go out. If something fails or there's the slightest opportunity, dip back into the Freeza bucket!

In Universe: In a pinch at last minute, if you were Goku, and had to venture to Hell to find one last tournament partner and had the choice of Freeza or Cell -- who would you pick? The guy that you'd trained and mastered a new form over for a year to battle against and still couldn't come close to matching? Or the guy that would be easier to reign in if for whatever reason things went a little "off script"? Goku will always be one-over on Freeza...

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Perfect Cell is not boring, imo. There are more possibilities in a character dynamic sense with Cell than with Freeza. Freeza -- already with multiple returns -- and his empire already have a huge backstory. Cell gets to time-hop and get obliterated (by SEVEN! people in the anime no less)... end of. There's no status building.

The prospect of Cell being highlighted in Super at some point (in a non-gag sense) -- from not long after the series started airing -- has been #1 on my wishlist.

Wakamoto (in peak form): "Welcome all, to my Cell Games Tournament of Power! Forgive me if I accidentally crush you as I'll just be warming up."

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Anyway, go U7 *waves tiny flag*...

[namekiansaiyan]

Lol yes you can considering Buu was one of the few who got the least promoted along side Piccolo and Tien and maybe Roshi but Tien and Roshi both have great shots in the opening Piccolo doesn't.

Piccolo has been getting promoted though.

Because unlike last time, Frieza wont be dicking around since he knows he has stamina issues. Piccolo's still below the likes of Ultimate Gohan, Vegeta on the other hand we will see but I'm clinging more to Golden Freeza. Goku's only stronger than him because of SSJBKK anyways.

I predict a Gohan and Piccolo tag team as well but them winning it? far, at best I see Goku,Vegeta and Freeza as the last 3 guys.

He will still have stamina issues as he has been doing nothing while in hell. Frieza can only be worse than last time. Gohan apparently matches Goku so that woupd makhim stronger than Frieza and you see Piccolo has got much stronger and obviously you have Piccolo's straetgy on top.

First everyone said Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 then back to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan now its Goku, Vegeta and Frieza? Everyone needs to stop being being influenced by 1 episode or 1 piece of promotional material as all everyone keeps doing is changing their minds every few days.

Piccolo really didn't get promotion AT ALL except the recent teaser even 18 has been teased along side 17 in the jump magazine,if Piccolo was going to do anything special they would have put him next to Gohan when Gohan was teased on his own in another issue of jump magazine,and the last 3 standing will obviously be either Goku,Vegeta and Gohan (predictible but can totally see it) or Goku,Vegeta and 17,17 has his own freaking trailer and has been hyped for months now he's obviously going to make it in top 4 it's just playing between him and Gohan.

17 got a trailer just before he appeared and that is all the trailer was for. Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are not obvious to be the last ones standing. It could literally be anyone. Promotional material has been misleading so many times in Super.

[Cipher]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty cuz Toriyama's somewhat behind this too, but I tell ya, if Toei was the one who made this idea 100%, 95% of the community here would be ready to fly to Japan, light their pitchforks, and fight the company.

Even if that were true, would it matter? Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own, and yes, that's part of my excitement for this development.

Doesn't that seem like a reasonable distinction to make?

EDIT -- Toned down my response without realizing I'd already been quoted.

[pacz360]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty cuz Toriyama's somewhat behind this too, but I tell ya, if Toei was the one who made this idea 100%, 95% of the community here would be ready to fly to Japan, light their pitchforks, and fight the company.

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

[Beyond]

He will still have stamina issues as he has been doing nothing while in hell. Frieza can only be worse than last time. Gohan apparently matches Goku so that woupd makhim stronger than Frieza and you see Piccolo has got much stronger and obviously you have Piccolo's straetgy on top.

First everyone said Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 then back to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan now its Goku, Vegeta and Frieza? Everyone needs to stop being being influenced by 1 episode or 1 piece of promotional material as all everyone keeps doing is changing their minds every few days.

If you didn't wank Piccolo too oblivion, you might be one of the better poster on this site.

[Kanassa]

I think Toei can pull it off. I mean, they were responsible for the version of Goku Black (The character most of the fanbase was saying would fail before he even debuted) that made the character so popular.

[Lord Beerus]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty cuz Toriyama's somewhat behind this too, but I tell ya, if Toei was the one who made this idea 100%, 95% of the community here would be ready to fly to Japan, light their pitchforks, and fight the company.

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Don't act like people don't crap on the creative decisions Toriyama has made in his many contributions to Dragon Ball's overreaching story.

[Kanassa]

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Because everyone loves Dragonball Minus and Resurrection F, glad we've finally accepted that

[perucho1990]

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

That was in the past but now its clear that Toriyama just doesnt have it anymore, his last good works were the BoG movie and the Jaco manga. The fact Toriyama wanted Black to be like Super Buu(see DBS Manga), and Hit being an overhyped character(see again DBS manga) tells you he is out of touch.

[namekiansaiyan]

He will still have stamina issues as he has been doing nothing while in hell. Frieza can only be worse than last time. Gohan apparently matches Goku so that woupd makhim stronger than Frieza and you see Piccolo has got much stronger and obviously you have Piccolo's straetgy on top.

First everyone said Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 then back to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan now its Goku, Vegeta and Frieza? Everyone needs to stop being being influenced by 1 episode or 1 piece of promotional material as all everyone keeps doing is changing their minds every few days.

If you didn't wank Piccolo too oblivion, you might be one of the better poster on this site.

Have you ever thought that what I say about Piccolo is actually right? Too many people just put him down for no reason just becuase he is not a Saiyan

I know the majority will think Piccolo has no chance against Frieza but as I said Frieza could have only gone backwards since he was last alive and Piccolo has gained a lot since then. Once Frieza's stamina has been depleted which should be even quicker than before, he is finished.

[omaro34]

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Because everyone loves Dragonball Minus and Resurrection F, glad we've finally accepted that

The ROF story was crap but it was so successful because the idea of Freeza returning was very attractive to many fans. Freeza sells, there's no question about that.

[TheMikado]

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Don't act like people don't crap on the creative decisions Toriyama has made in his many contributions to Dragon Ball's overreaching story.

Wait so are we crapping on Toei or Toriyama? Because neither are above reproach and both should be criticized for some of their decisions.