"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[omaro34]

He will still have stamina issues as he has been doing nothing while in hell. Frieza can only be worse than last time. Gohan apparently matches Goku so that woupd makhim stronger than Frieza and you see Piccolo has got much stronger and obviously you have Piccolo's straetgy on top.

First everyone said Goku, Vegeta and Gohan then it was Goku, Vegeta and 17 then back to Goku, Vegeta and Gohan now its Goku, Vegeta and Frieza? Everyone needs to stop being being influenced by 1 episode or 1 piece of promotional material as all everyone keeps doing is changing their minds every few days.

If you didn't wank Piccolo too oblivion, you might be one of the better poster on this site.

Have you ever thought that what I say about Piccolo is actually right? Too many people just put him down for no reason just becuase he is not a Saiyan

I know the majority will think Piccolo has no chance against Frieza but as I said Frieza could have only gone backwards since he was last alive and Piccolo has gained a lot since then. Once Frieza's stamina has been depleted which should be even quicker than before, he is finished.

Bro I'm one of the biggest Piccolo fans in the community, I have the largest Piccolo page on Facebook myself, but there's no way they would bring back Freeza without giving him another power up making him easily stronger than Piccolo.

I know you accused me of being negative, but I'm realistic.

[SansrivaaL]

If you didn't wank Piccolo too oblivion, you might be one of the better poster on this site.

Have you ever thought that what I say about Piccolo is actually right? Too many people just put him down for no reason just becuase he is not a Saiyan

I know the majority will think Piccolo has no chance against Frieza but as I said Frieza could have only gone backwards since he was last alive and Piccolo has gained a lot since then. Once Frieza's stamina has been depleted which should be even quicker than before, he is finished.

Bro I'm one of the biggest Piccolo fans in the community, I have the largest Piccolo page on Facebook myself, but there's no way they would bring back Freeza without giving him another power up making him easily stronger than Piccolo.

I know you accused me of being negative, but I'm realistic.

Namekian is too bias towards Piccolo for some reason that he's building his expectations too high, either he's just pulling our legs or he's serious about what he's saying.... he says he thinks Gohan and Piccolo will be the ones to bring the victory and now he says Piccolo can take down Freeza. Well at least he has passion.

[Lord Beerus]

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Don't act like people don't crap on the creative decisions Toriyama has made in his many contributions to Dragon Ball's overreaching story.

Wait so are we crapping on Toei or Toriyama? Because neither are above reproach and both should be criticized for some of their decisions.

There's no doubt this is 100% a Toriyama plot point. It's all now down to Toei and Toyotaro in regards to how Freeza's comeback is handled.

[perucho1990]

Namekian is too bias towards Piccolo for some reason that he's building his expectations too high, either he's just pulling our legs or he's serious about what he's saying.... he says he thinks Gohan and Piccolo will be the ones to bring the victory and now he says Piccolo can take down Freeza. Well at least he has passion.

Tbh, Gohan has been getting a big role in this arc, and in the upcoming episode, Gohan says in the preview he wants to surpass Goku and that should mean surpass Kaioken+SSJB Goku, he has been getting a nice build up that makes you think he will be the lone survivor for Universe 7.

[SansrivaaL]

Namekian is too bias towards Piccolo for some reason that he's building his expectations too high, either he's just pulling our legs or he's serious about what he's saying.... he says he thinks Gohan and Piccolo will be the ones to bring the victory and now he says Piccolo can take down Freeza. Well at least he has passion.

Tbh, Gohan has been getting a big role in this arc, and in the upcoming episode, Gohan says in the preview he wants to surpass Goku and that should mean surpass Kaioken+SSJB Goku, he has been getting a nice build up that makes you think he will be the lone survivor for Universe 7.

Just cause he wants to surpass it doesnt mean he will, Gohan was already ultimate fighting SSJ2 Goku and it looked like they were quite equal, lets say he gives SSJ3 a run for its money that would be fine but SSJB? doubt it let alone SSJBKK. Tho yeah I can imagine Goku pulling another "Lemme boost your confidence by showing that you can fight on par with SSJBKK"

17 was also getting hyped way more than Gohan is even, he had the nerve to hold back against SSJB Goku and even got a trailer.

[Kagari]

Namekian is too bias towards Piccolo for some reason that he's building his expectations too high, either he's just pulling our legs or he's serious about what he's saying.... he says he thinks Gohan and Piccolo will be the ones to bring the victory and now he says Piccolo can take down Freeza. Well at least he has passion.

Tbh, Gohan has been getting a big role in this arc, and in the upcoming episode, Gohan says in the preview he wants to surpass Goku and that should mean surpass Kaioken+SSJB Goku, he has been getting a nice build up that makes you think he will be the lone survivor for Universe 7.

Just cause he wants to surpass it doesnt mean he will, Gohan was already ultimate fighting SSJ2 Goku and it looked like they were quite equal, lets say he gives SSJ3 a run for its money that would be fine but SSJB? doubt it let alone SSJBKK. Tho yeah I can imagine Goku pulling another "Lemme boost your confidence by showing that you can fight on par with SSJBKK"

17 was also getting hyped way more than Gohan is even, he had the nerve to hold back against SSJB Goku and even got a trailer.

Go watch the next episode preview again. It definitely looks like Gohan is giving SSJ2 Goku trouble. Besides, in the preview dialogue Gohan tells him to go all-out, so Blue is likely going to happen. From a character development standpoint, it's been Gohan who has had the most in this arc so far.

[namekiansaiyan]

Have you ever thought that what I say about Piccolo is actually right? Too many people just put him down for no reason just becuase he is not a Saiyan

I know the majority will think Piccolo has no chance against Frieza but as I said Frieza could have only gone backwards since he was last alive and Piccolo has gained a lot since then. Once Frieza's stamina has been depleted which should be even quicker than before, he is finished.

Bro I'm one of the biggest Piccolo fans in the community, I have the largest Piccolo page on Facebook myself, but there's no way they would bring back Freeza without giving him another power up making him easily stronger than Piccolo.

I know you accused me of being negative, but I'm realistic.

Namekian is too bias towards Piccolo for some reason that he's building his expectations too high, either he's just pulling our legs or he's serious about what he's saying.... he says he thinks Gohan and Piccolo will be the ones to bring the victory and now he says Piccolo can take down Freeza. Well at least he has passion.

How can Frieza be stronger than before? If he is how do they even explain that since he has been in a cocoon all this time. Frieza getting stronger would be the most ridiculous thing in Super so far.

Can both of you give me reasons why I shouldn't be excited about Piccolo doing good as it seems like everyone can hype everyone else apart from him and Tien?

I don't let one episode or some random promtion which there is loads of dictate my thinking as much as everyone else.

Why is predicting a Gohan and Piccolo tag team to win the last battle a stupid prediction?

I have also given reasons why I think Piccolo can beat Frieza as well.

[SansrivaaL]

Go watch the next episode preview again. It definitely looks like Gohan is giving SSJ2 Goku trouble. Besides, in the preview dialogue Gohan tells him to go all-out, so Blue is likely going to happen. From a character development standpoint, it's been Gohan who has had the most in this arc so far.

Thats why I said its fine if he gives Goku SSJ3 a run for its money, because obviously SSJ2 aint gonna cut it, and it doesnt matter if he fights against SSJB Goku, Ultimate was always above SSJ3 Goku, its just that Gohan has been in a slump for a while which he may overcome this coming episode which is why we see Goku fighting him step by step. So because Gohan tells Goku to go all out Goku will give in to it? doubt it, given Goku's personality where he even had the balls to not go at a 100% against Beerus? yeah, not happening especially to someone thats only getting back into fighting for the time being, SSJB yeah but SSJBKK? no, if that does happen then Goku's pulling another God Goku V Krillin wave to please his team members.
Depends on how you view it, rather than development he's just going back to how he used to be, 17 is a whole new gig hence the promos he's been getting.

[SansrivaaL]

How can Frieza be stronger than before? If he is how do they even explain that since he has been in a cocoon all this time. Frieza getting stronger would be the most ridiculous thing in Super so far.

Can both of you give me reasons why I shouldn't be excited about Piccolo doing good as it seems like everyone can hype everyone else apart from him and Tien?

I don't let one episode or some random promtion which there is loads of dictate my thinking as much as everyone else.

Why is predicting a Gohan and Piccolo tag team to win the last battle a stupid prediction?

I have also given reasons why I think Piccolo can beat Frieza as well.

How can Freeza be so much weaker than before to the point of Piccolo actually having a chance against him? you're telling me a character that was more powerful than SSJB can be defeated by Piccolo just because he was stuck in a cocoon for a few years?

Its ok to be excited, but throwing out stuffs like its legit and forcing it to people to the point of quoting them that Piccolo and Gohan will bring the victory and Piccolo this Piccolo that, kinda gets repetitive.

I never said it was a stupid prediction, but jumping the gun way too much considering Piccolo barely got anything for his character and its been all Gohan coming back into fighting and Goku's dumbass antics that got them into this mess but at hindsight was actually a good call.

You mean that for some reason he goes from above SSJB to below Ultimate becaue he was stuck in a cocoon?

[Cipher]

There's not that much outrage regarding this travesty cuz Toriyama's somewhat behind this too, but I tell ya, if Toei was the one who made this idea 100%, 95% of the community here would be ready to fly to Japan, light their pitchforks, and fight the company.

Dang, man. It's like we have more faith in the ability of the original author to execute the material and make decisions that are beneficial to the story than we do a committee of writers at Toei.

You got us! Unreasonable double-standard exposed!

He's not wrong if toei did this everybody would wanna burn the place to the ground but if tori does it oh it'll be fine Don't know why you wanna act like toriyama can't do anything wrong here.

Even if that were true, would it matter? Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own, and yes, that factors into my excitement for this news.

Doesn't that seem like a reasonable distinction to make?

[Kanassa]

Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

[Cipher]

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

Not really. It probably just means we're looking to get different things out of the series.

My only regret, as is constant with Super, is that Toriyama won't be scripting these events.

[Beyond]

Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

I don't have faith in either tbh. Super has broken my exceptions every time mostly for the worse, but every once in a while it's amazing.

[Araki]

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

Not really. It probably just means we're looking to get different things out of the series.

I think it's more that Toriyama was 100% responsible for Freeza's comeback (and fate) in RoF, which always raised very vocal criticism. Not that Toei's handling of his returns in movies and GT were any better, but..

Either way, considering the completely different circumstances this time, this could easily end up being great or terrible, but i'll wait to see if Freeza actually joins the team. I'm still doubtful. For all we know this could be another red herring and Goku sees no other choice than taking Yamcha for real.

[omaro34]

How can Frieza be stronger than before? If he is how do they even explain that since he has been in a cocoon all this time. Frieza getting stronger would be the most ridiculous thing in Super so far.

Can both of you give me reasons why I shouldn't be excited about Piccolo doing good as it seems like everyone can hype everyone else apart from him and Tien?

I don't let one episode or some random promtion which there is loads of dictate my thinking as much as everyone else.

Why is predicting a Gohan and Piccolo tag team to win the last battle a stupid prediction?

I have also given reasons why I think Piccolo can beat Frieza as well.

How can Freeza be so much weaker than before to the point of Piccolo actually having a chance against him? you're telling me a character that was more powerful than SSJB can be defeated by Piccolo just because he was stuck in a cocoon for a few years?

Its ok to be excited, but throwing out stuffs like its legit and forcing it to people to the point of quoting them that Piccolo and Gohan will bring the victory and Piccolo this Piccolo that, kinda gets repetitive.

I never said it was a stupid prediction, but jumping the gun way too much considering Piccolo barely got anything for his character and its been all Gohan coming back into fighting and Goku's dumbass antics that got them into this mess but at hindsight was actually a good call.

You mean that for some reason he goes from above SSJB to below Ultimate becaue he was stuck in a cocoon?

I like your passion for my boy big Big Green NamekianSaiyan. I really do. I get just as excited as you do when he gets screentime and does well. But there's a difference between passion and blind bias. I used to be the same way. Facts are thrown out the window and your argument stems solely on emotions. I respect you because we share the same favorite character, but please be more realistic about Piccolo's role in the series.

[SansrivaaL]

Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

I have more faith in Toei as well, to be exact I have faith in who supervised Anime Black's personality/interactions and actions, his manga counterpart was shit.

[HybridSaiyan]

How can Frieza be stronger than before? If he is how do they even explain that since he has been in a cocoon all this time. Frieza getting stronger would be the most ridiculous thing in Super so far.

Can both of you give me reasons why I shouldn't be excited about Piccolo doing good as it seems like everyone can hype everyone else apart from him and Tien?

I don't let one episode or some random promtion which there is loads of dictate my thinking as much as everyone else.

Why is predicting a Gohan and Piccolo tag team to win the last battle a stupid prediction?

I have also given reasons why I think Piccolo can beat Frieza as well.

How can Freeza be so much weaker than before to the point of Piccolo actually having a chance against him? you're telling me a character that was more powerful than SSJB can be defeated by Piccolo just because he was stuck in a cocoon for a few years?

Its ok to be excited, but throwing out stuffs like its legit and forcing it to people to the point of quoting them that Piccolo and Gohan will bring the victory and Piccolo this Piccolo that, kinda gets repetitive.

I never said it was a stupid prediction, but jumping the gun way too much considering Piccolo barely got anything for his character and its been all Gohan coming back into fighting and Goku's dumbass antics that got them into this mess but at hindsight was actually a good call.

You mean that for some reason he goes from above SSJB to below Ultimate becaue he was stuck in a cocoon?

I like your passion for my boy big Big Green NamekianSaiyan. I really do. I get just as excited as you do when he gets screentime and does well. But there's a difference between passion and blind bias. I used to be the same way. Facts are thrown out the window and your argument stems solely on emotions. I respect you because we share the same favorite character, but please be more realistic about Piccolo's role in the series.

Well the series isn't about power levels anymore remember? Maybe Piccolo can outsmart Frieza?

[perucho1990]

I have more faith in Toei as well, to be exact I have faith in who supervised Anime Black's personality/interactions and actions, his manga counterpart was shit.

I also wonder who supervised Anime Hit, while despite being a bit overpowered he ended up being one of the coolest guys in U6.

One thing they must do now with Freeza returning is to see his backstory, its long overdue.

[RedHeat]

Yes, I have more faith in Toriyama to spin this in an interesting direction than I would Toei on its own

Is it weird that I feel the exact opposite? That I have more faith in Toei to do this well?

Me too. I feel like this is a great chance to see how Frieza interacts with the new/old people, as well as potentially great fights.

[SansrivaaL]

I have more faith in Toei as well, to be exact I have faith in who supervised Anime Black's personality/interactions and actions, his manga counterpart was shit.

I also wonder who supervised Anime Hit, while despite being a bit overpowered he ended up being one of the coolest guys in U6.

One thing they must do now with Freeza returning is to see his backstory, its long overdue.

This is a bit weird to say but I forgot all about Hit.... all I remember about him is he was this stoic badass assassin that underwent a little development while fighting Goku learning that theres more to life than killing.

Backstory = more eps before the ToP... why do I feel like we wont be entering the tournament till august but yeah I'm all up for a Freeza backstory, I just hope they dont pull the tragic card like most shonen does to their villains and make them likable.