Not if they wanted to be generic, which they were.RandomGuy96 wrote:Then they would have said "tens of times" or "dozens of times".
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James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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They always want to be generic in the guidebooks, yet the guidebooks actually say "tens of times" or "somewhat" or something similarly specific at times. All I'm saying is that it implies that the fusion boost is less than x20. It's like how when you say "less than half", you don't mean any specific percentage, but you usually mean more than a third, otherwise you'd just say "less than a third".
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Toriyama still implied that the Fusion boost is greater than the SS boost (x50), since he said that he wanted to think of something stronger than Super Saiyan, and he came up with Fusion. Plus, base Gotenks is implied to be stronger than SS Goten or Trunks.RandomGuy96 wrote:They always want to be generic in the guidebooks, yet the guidebooks actually say "tens of times" or "somewhat" or something similarly specific at times. All I'm saying is that it implies that the fusion boost is less than x20. It's like how when you say "less than half", you don't mean any specific percentage, but you usually mean more than a third, otherwise you'd just say "less than a third".
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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That is a very weird interpretation of said statement, and one I'd never considered when I read it.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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How is it weird? It's very clear:
It's true that Toriyama wasn't entirely serious there, but it is implied in the manga that base Gotenks is stronger than SS Goten or Trunks:The concept of fusion is also a form of leveling up. How did that concept come to be?
If I remember correctly, I was talking about how, as a concept, “there’s nothing stronger than a Super Saiyan”, and Katsura-kun (Masakazu Katsura-sensei), who I usually just joke around and say idiotic things with, said, “There’s no choice but for them to fuse, then.” So I said, “Whoa, sometimes even you say something good. It’s the first time you’ve ever made yourself useful.” (laughs) That’s how that plot point was born.
- Everyone is awed with Gotenks' power, and Kame-sennin commented his power as "what a storm of ki".
- Gotenks overrated himself, implying that this is a new level of power compared to what he had achieved before.
- Piccolo couldn't stop Gotenks from running away, implying that Gotenks is faster, and thus stronger, than Piccolo. (This doesn't necessarily put Gotenks above the SS kids, since they are implied to be stronger than Piccolo as well, but it does put Gotenks at least close to them.)
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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I think you'd have to ready pretty far into that to get something like "Fusion grants a greater boost than Super Saiyan." The far simpler and more obvious meaning is just "two Super Saiyans combined are better than one."
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A fused Super Saiyan is far stronger than a regular Super Saiyan. Not that difficult, and certainly more likely than Toriyama thinking in multipliers and wanting to make every base fused saiyan stronger than every Super Saiyan. Especially when fused base saiyans never do anything.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Kaboom wrote:I think you'd have to ready pretty far into that to get something like "Fusion grants a greater boost than Super Saiyan." The far simpler and more obvious meaning is just "two Super Saiyans combined are better than one."
But like I said twice, it's not only that statement, there are things in the manga that support base Gotenks > SS Goten/Trunks.RandomGuy96 wrote:A fused Super Saiyan is far stronger than a regular Super Saiyan. Not that difficult, and certainly more likely than Toriyama thinking in multipliers and wanting to make every base fused saiyan stronger than every Super Saiyan. Especially when fused base saiyans never do anything.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Super Saiyans never do anything in the fusion saga either.RandomGuy96 wrote:A fused Super Saiyan is far stronger than a regular Super Saiyan. Not that difficult, and certainly more likely than Toriyama thinking in multipliers and wanting to make every base fused saiyan stronger than every Super Saiyan. Especially when fused base saiyans never do anything.
Edit: I have base Gotenks = SSJ 2 Goten because they were surprised at his power but he lost to Fat Buu worse than Majin Vegeta did.
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Vegetto was a Super Saiyan, and it was Super Saiyan Goku who did the final push for the Genki Dama that destroyed Buu.xmysticgohanx wrote:Super Saiyans never do anything in the fusion saga either.RandomGuy96 wrote:A fused Super Saiyan is far stronger than a regular Super Saiyan. Not that difficult, and certainly more likely than Toriyama thinking in multipliers and wanting to make every base fused saiyan stronger than every Super Saiyan. Especially when fused base saiyans never do anything.
Edit: I have base Gotenks = SSJ 2 Goten because they were surprised at his power but he lost to Fat Buu worse than Majin Vegeta did.
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Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Gogeta only gets that multiplier in GT material.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Like I said, I don't see any reason for him to get a different multiplier.RandomGuy96 wrote:Gogeta only gets that multiplier in GT material.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Maybe I'm a bit stupid, but what do you mean exactly?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
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I'm referring to my debate with Random about base Gotenks' power. Gotenks is stated to be many times stronger than Goten & Trunks, while SS4 Gogeta is stated to be many dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku or Vegeta. Random believes that because Gotenks is only stated to be many times stronger, it means that he isn't many dozens of times stronger. I don't see any reason for Gogeta to get a greater boost than Gotenks did.dbgtFO wrote:Maybe I'm a bit stupid, but what do you mean exactly?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Ahh, okay got it now.
I agree with that, different Fusion Dance boosts seem a bit too complicated for me.
I agree with that, different Fusion Dance boosts seem a bit too complicated for me.
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I don't think Gogeta and Gotenks do have different multipliers. I just don't care what GT has to say. Otherwise you're just cherry picking one aspect of it and ignoring all of the other screw ball stuff.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Like I said, I don't see any reason for him to get a different multiplier.RandomGuy96 wrote:Gogeta only gets that multiplier in GT material.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Another thing I want to add is, I don't see any reason to believe that Gogeta should have a different multiplier for Gotenks. And I also don't see why the Fusion multiplier would change depending on the Super Saiyan form (since this was made for SS4 Gogeta).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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But I care. GT is related to the anime, and the anime is related to the manga. If Gogeta is dozens of times stronger, then anime Gotenks is dozens of times stronger as well, and anime Gotenks isn't shown to be different from manga Gotenks.RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't think Gogeta and Gotenks do have different multipliers. I just don't care what GT has to say. Otherwise you're just cherry picking one aspect of it and ignoring all of the other screw ball stuff.
And no, I'm not ignoring anything, I only ignore Innocent Boo being somewhat weaker than SK Boo, which is contradicted in the manga without theories.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Trying something a bit different here. Not trying to be original(In fact most likely I'm not original) but just trying to make something "new" instead of the same old power levels we debate.
Dragonball Evolution Power Levels:
Son Goku: 8.2
High-School Bullies: 5
Grandpa Gohan: 15
Bulma: 6.2
Roshi: 34
Yamcha: 6
Son Goku(post training): 58
Fu-Lumas: 10
Mai: 9
Chi Chi: 9
Piccolo: 63
Oozaru Goku: 86
I don't have Oozaru as 10x like in the actual series
Piccolo(Full Power): 100
Goku(Oozaru Power Kamehameha): 132
Any thoughts of this?
Dragonball Evolution Power Levels:
Son Goku: 8.2
High-School Bullies: 5
Grandpa Gohan: 15
Bulma: 6.2
Roshi: 34
Yamcha: 6
Son Goku(post training): 58
Fu-Lumas: 10
Mai: 9
Chi Chi: 9
Piccolo: 63
Oozaru Goku: 86
I don't have Oozaru as 10x like in the actual series
Piccolo(Full Power): 100
Goku(Oozaru Power Kamehameha): 132
Any thoughts of this?
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...so a GT-based guidebook overrides a manga-based guidebook? Because manga-based guidebooks state Innocent Buu =< SK Buu, and an anime-based guidebook states that Gotenks is only "many times" stronger.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:But I care. GT is related to the anime, and the anime is related to the manga. If Gogeta is dozens of times stronger, then anime Gotenks is dozens of times stronger as well, and anime Gotenks isn't shown to be different from manga Gotenks.RandomGuy96 wrote:I don't think Gogeta and Gotenks do have different multipliers. I just don't care what GT has to say. Otherwise you're just cherry picking one aspect of it and ignoring all of the other screw ball stuff.
And no, I'm not ignoring anything, I only ignore Innocent Boo being somewhat weaker than SK Boo, which is contradicted in the manga without theories.
Why does GT mean anything? Are you going to use its x1.1 SS multiplier as well?
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.