"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[MagmonKai]

Freeza is to Goku what Darksied is to Superman.

[namekiansaiyan]

I want Frieza as a Z-Warrior, this will turn almost everyone off Super.
But what the heck, let him join the crew and they could all laugh and be friendly together because the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP CONQUERS ALL. Why not let Krillin and Frieza have a drink at Master Roshi's? It'll sure be a nice laugh.

I don't like someone intruding into the team and stealing screen time and fights from other characters.

Translation: "I only want my favorite character to have cool fights and screen time."

Let's imagine that Gohan ended up not particapting becuase of a conference again and replaced by Frieza and people will be saying stuff like this.

[Lord Beerus]

How is he being over used? He's a character in the story, you can't be over used can you? Is Goku over used? Vegeta? Beerus? By the way haven't Goku died and been resurrected like a gazillion times too?

Are you seriously making this comparison man? Goku, Vegeta and Beerus are part of the main cast, they are main characters, protagonists, Freeza is a villain, an antagonist. The whole concept of a villain that was defeated in the past to return is old and lazy IMO and that is the 8th or 9th time Freeza returns in the franchise, that's what I call overused, there's no need of that, I could take it if they did something satisfying in RoF like not having him alive again to be killed again, but that was not the case.

In Toriyama's mind though, this is only the second time Freeza has been brought back to life. I don't think Toriyama gives a flying fudge about Freeza's re-appearances in other material. And he really shouldn't. He had no input in how Freeza was handled after he got killed by Future Trunks in the manga, until Resurrection F became a thing.

[precita]

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Marvel, DC and other western comic suggest otherwise.

That's what people dislike about Marvel, DC and western franchises. The villains never die for good and the series go on indefinitely.

This is a Japanese anime with serial storytelling where the villains have always had an end. This isn't like The Joker who can keep escaping Arkham every 5 months so Batman has to take him down again.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

[Gog]

Well, you can't please everyone. Such a thing is impossible to do.

"Try to please everybody and you will only end up pleasing nobody".

The irony of that is that we are discussing a show full of fan service.

And has it pleased everyone?

[Lord Frieza]

Freeza is to Goku what Darksied is to Superman.

A Darkseid quote at the end of this arc would be perfect.

Frieza: "Savior you moment of triumph Goku, But remember victory has its price."

[precita]

I really hope Beerus erases Freeza got good by the end of this arc so he can't ever come back again. When you get erased when you're already dead you're gone forever.

[Lord Frieza]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

Well it should die down in about a week and halfs time, two tops. then it will pick up again when 92 airs.

[MagmonKai]

Someone should make a Tournament of Power discussion threads. Too many threads for me to keep up with. One that has all the spoilers and stuff in it too..

[namekiansaiyan]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

If the announcement on Goku day is not big then this will not end until episode 90 has aired which will result in a week of power level complaining.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I really hope Beerus erases Freeza got good by the end of this arc so he can't ever come back again. When you get erased when you're already dead you're gone forever.

Oh God I really hope Freeza doesnt do a full turn and sacrifice his eternal life to the one true Super Saiyan God Goku....

[Lord Frieza]

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Marvel, DC and other western comic suggest otherwise.

That's what people dislike about Marvel, DC and western franchises. The villains never die for good and the series go on indefinitely.

This is a Japanese anime with serial storytelling where the villains have always had an end. This isn't like The Joker who can keep escaping Arkham every 5 months so Batman has to take him down again.

they cant dislike it all that much when the comics are selling as well as ever.

[jeffbr92]

In Toriyama's mind though, this is only the second time Freeza has been brought back to life. I don't think Toriyama gives a flying fudge about Freeza's re-appearances in other material. And he really shouldn't. He had no input in how Freeza was handled after he got killed by Future Trunks in the manga, until Resurrection F became a thing.

Second time he has been brought back to life (maybe), but third third he came back to have active role in the series and I disagree: Toriyama should in fact acknowledge that Dragon Ball is not just his manga but a much bigger franchise that has 508 animated episodes in 3 series based on his original work and is heading to have even more nowadays and the whole concept of Freeza being back again was done to death, where were his directors when he came with the idea of RoF movie? I'm sure they could put him in check that was no great idea to start. The problem is not just Freeza returning again but the execution that we can always expect to be poor like the ToP ends, U7 wins and Freeza is instantly returns to the hell screaming "Noooooo!" with cute creatures singing around.

[precita]

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Marvel, DC and other western comic suggest otherwise.

That's what people dislike about Marvel, DC and western franchises. The villains never die for good and the series go on indefinitely.

This is a Japanese anime with serial storytelling where the villains have always had an end. This isn't like The Joker who can keep escaping Arkham every 5 months so Batman has to take him down again.

they cant dislike it all that much when the comics are selling as well as ever.

The people buying comics now are not the same people who were buying comics in the 70's, 80's, and 90's...obviously. The young teens and 20 something year olds now weren't even born or following comics back then. All the old comic book fans stopped reading and were disgusted with the direction of the series.

[Lord Beerus]

In Toriyama's mind though, this is only the second time Freeza has been brought back to life. I don't think Toriyama gives a flying fudge about Freeza's re-appearances in other material. And he really shouldn't. He had no input in how Freeza was handled after he got killed by Future Trunks in the manga, until Resurrection F became a thing.

Second time he has been brought back to life (maybe), but third third he came back to have active role in the series and I disagree: Toriyama should in fact acknowledge that Dragon Ball is not just his manga but a much bigger franchise that has 508 animated episodes in 3 series based on his original work and is heading to have even more nowadays and the whole concept of Freeza being back again was done to death, where were his directors when he came with the idea of RoF movie? I'm sure they could put him in check that was no great idea to start. The problem is not just Freeza returning again but the execution that we can always expect to be poor like the ToP ends, U7 wins and Freeza is instantly returns to the hell screaming "Noooooo!" with cute creatures singing around.

Dragon Ball is ultimately Toriyama's original. Everything else is either an adaption, spin-off and majorly rework of his story. He has the right and pick and choose what kind plot device he may to revisit or personally use for himself, if he hadn't used it before, if he feel it work for the story. He obviously thinks bringing back Freeza (again) will provide the most entertaining result.

[ArchedThunder]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

Well it should die down in about a week and halfs time, two tops. then it will pick up again when 92 airs.

To me it seems like it's already died down pretty considerably. As long as they do episode 93 well I think a lot of people will be willing to give it more of a chance.

[precita]

Is this the biggest backlash in Super so far? Not counting the crappy movie adaptions, I don't think anything else caused this much turmoil. Not even the people who didn't like Future Trunks Spirit bomb in his sword at the end of the Zamasu arc, or Gohan's poor treatment in the first half of the series.

[Lord Frieza]

That's what people dislike about Marvel, DC and western franchises. The villains never die for good and the series go on indefinitely.

This is a Japanese anime with serial storytelling where the villains have always had an end. This isn't like The Joker who can keep escaping Arkham every 5 months so Batman has to take him down again.

they cant dislike it all that much when the comics are selling as well as ever.

The people buying comics now are not the same people who were buying comics in the 70's, 80's, and 90's...obviously. The young teens and 20 something year olds now weren't even born or following comics back then. All the old comic book fans stopped reading and were disgusted with the direction of the series.

You do realize that that there are tons of comic book fans our age and older right? There are tons of websites and YouTube channels dedicated to comics run by people of multiple age groups.

Its a different type of media to Anime but it sells just as well if not better in some cases. Fans tune in an out like myself but we never turn are backs on it. We normal check out when we dont like the writer or direction but we always keep tabs and we get right back in when if we like what we see.

You make it sound like manga/anime fans somehow have it better? We really dont, Comics can at least get revitalized in a way a manga never can because different writers get their shot at it and can turn up something great and new. Manga dose not get the privilege and when its sole writer makes poor choices your stuck with it. Thats the Naruto Great ninja War and everything after it in a nutshell.

[Lord Frieza]

I wonder how long is this topic of Freeza gonna brew for? It is Goku day in Japan so hopefully Toei announce something like a movie or special to shift from this Freeza talk, it is getting a bit tiring now. I don't like this idea on bit but I have gotten over it me constantly going on about it isn't gonna change a thing, especially since we don't know the whole story yet. I think people need to take a step back and see how things pan out.

Well it should die down in about a week and halfs time, two tops. then it will pick up again when 92 airs.

To me it seems like it's already died down pretty considerably. As long as they do episode 93 well I think a lot of people will be willing to give it more of a chance.

If this turns into the shit storm Krillien and the Power scaling did, it may ebb but like the tide it comes back in to.